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This is the build that Im thinking of getting : http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/X3cFmG
This is my FIRST EVER build and as you guys can see Its still missing MEMORY RAM sticks (I need 8 gigs, 2x4 format) what should I get? (ddr-3 1600?)
And the budget is actually 700~ and right now I'm sitting at 900~ dollars is there anything I can change to cut down the cost? I can probably save up and make the budget 1k but I'm very cheap, starving student :D

Now for the questions :
- Do I need cpu coolers? If yes, how many?
- Is "Thermal Compound" necessary? What should I get?
- Is sound card necessary?
- Do I need internet network adapter? or is it included in motherboard a.k.a built-in?

Please answer this thread too if u have the time : http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2264783/buy-cheap-led-monitor.html

Thank ya all!!!
 
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If you saved up to $900, you could get this build, which will perform quite a bit better on CPU intensive games such as Skyrim, and it also has an SSD for quick load times and boot up time, but otherwise it's pretty much the same.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($235.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.75 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Kingston Black Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($94.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($116.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard...
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I assume you're you meant to set it to Canadian dollars?

For $700, I've put together this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($124.95 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.79 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($104.95 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($111.48 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270 2GB Dual-X Video Card ($199.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Corsair SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.58 @ DirectCanada)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($56.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $738.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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It'll perform about the same as your build, except it doesn't have an SSD and costs a lot less.

If you want, you can build this PC now, which will be good for running games on high settings at 40-60fps.
Or, you can save up till you have about $900 and get a better PC.
Or, you can buy this PC now and get an SSD later on when you have the money.

For your questions:
1) Yes, however most CPUs include a cooler. But with AMD, the cooler is often terrible, so you want a new cooler anyway.
2) Yes, however the coolers that come with a CPU (Stock coolers) have it already applied, and new coolers (aftermarket coolers) include some usually.
3) Yes, however all modern motherboards include an integrated sound card that is good enough, you only need to buy a new sound card if you're using a sound system costing hundreds of dollars and want the best sound quality possible.
4) Only if you want to use wifi, if you're using an Ethernet cable pretty much all motherboards have onboard Ethernet.
 
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Nice title. :D

Here's a cheaper build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($188.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 760 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($219.99 @ TigerDirect)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($82.84 @ Mwave)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/RSBS DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Amazon)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-G300LX 802.11b/g PCI Wi-Fi Adapter ($7.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $786.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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You don't need CPU coolers, it is usually one if you need any. You only need the aftermarket coolers of you overclock your CPU. But with this one I have you don't need to.

Thermal compund is necessary if you place an aftermarket cooler to prevent the CPU from frying when being overclocked.

Sound card is not necessary as the one on the mobo has quite reasonable sound quality on it.

Yes you need a network adapter. If you use a cable then get a wired network adopter. But if you connect wirelessly then get the one I have now.
 
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The CPU comes with a cooler. It will work perfectly fine.

The stock cooler that comes with the CPU already has thermal compound applied.

No you do not need a sound card. the motherboard has one built in.

The motherboard also has a built in network adapter for LAN. No wireless though. You would need an adapter for that.

Get 2x4gb 1600mhz RAM

Drop the SSD to save money for sure. It is the only thing that will not affect game performance.

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550sxxb9 get that PSU. It is better and cheaper.
 
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No, the motherboard has a wired network adapter on it. ALL do. He does not need one. Also, your build is many hundred dollars over budget as OP is in CANADA.
 
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Thanks. Actually I forgotten it was Canada. :D
 
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I apologies for not putting in Canada currency.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($77.95 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($86.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 270 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($154.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Cougar Spike MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($49.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Thermaltake SMART 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.95 @ Vuugo)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($26.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN725N 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($9.99 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $716.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-19 09:04 EDT-0400
 
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I would recommend an FX or i3 build because he would be bale to get a better GPU. An i5 with a 270 will lose to an i3/ fx6300 and a gtx760 all day everyday. The only wany the i5 would be better is if we were talking about GPUs like gtx770+
 
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That was fast!! Yes by dollars I meant canadian.

More questions :
- What do you mean save up and get a better pc? what can I change for 200 more to get me a better pc?
- the motherboard that u picked is one of the more expensive ones. What's ur reasoning picking that?
- those RAMs are out of stock btw

I really like the case and I like the idea of modular power supply so I cant change those but that radeon card 'sounds' good and cheaper too (doesnt look as good but I digress) maybe I can swap 760 for that and save some
 
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Yes thats what I thought too. GPU is more important for gaming.
 
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So is radeon r9 270 is worse than 760? I used this comparison program on gamedebate.com and theyre comparable? confused...
Cheap motherboard doesnt matter right? So I can get the cheapest I can find? *Just noticed there are different sizes?? what??*

BTW TINY WHY DID U EDIT OUT MY TITLE!!! *MAD* lol

EDIT : current build : http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/KfPGhM
 
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Ah, I didn't see how much more expensive the m5a97 is in Canada.
Here's a modified build with a better GPU & cheaper RAM and a cheaper mobo.

Basically, cheaper motherboards tend to be worse quality and will last for less time, and they're worse for overclocking. If you're not overclocking, get a fairly cheap motherboard, but make sure to still stick to the good brands such as Asus, Gigabyte, and Asrock.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($124.95 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.79 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 Extreme3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($64.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($86.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($209.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Corsair SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.58 @ DirectCanada)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($56.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $684.27
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-19 09:54 EDT-0400

This is fairly similar to your original build, same CPU cooler, same CPU, similar mobo, no SSD, similar hard drive, quite a bit better video card, less expensive (but still good enough) case, better PSU, all costing around $150 less in total.
 
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If you saved up to $900, you could get this build, which will perform quite a bit better on CPU intensive games such as Skyrim, and it also has an SSD for quick load times and boot up time, but otherwise it's pretty much the same.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($235.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.75 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Kingston Black Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($94.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($116.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($209.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Corsair SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.58 @ DirectCanada)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($56.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $905.27
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-19 10:06 EDT-0400

+Better CPU
+Better motherboard
+Has a large SSD

-Worse CPU cooler
-Not overclockable
 
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Answers for the quesions
1 cpu cooler is enough, if you plan to OC then go for liquid cooling, othervise go for air cooling.
Thermal compund is necessary only if you OC. (If you don't apply the compound carefully & properly, then it would be dangerous)
Sound card is dependent on the mobo, some mobos have built in sound card&/or processors, but some 'very cheap' ones don't have.
Some mobos (new modern) have built in WiFi & LAN, but some (almost all) have only LAN.
You can buy WiFi card, sound card, & LAN card seperately too.

So, now for the build, Here is the best build under 1000$ canadian dollars(it is future proof too, and fast and good) :D :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Memory Express)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.79 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: MSI H97 Guard-Pro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Memory Express)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($118.48 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($62.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 280 3GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($209.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Rosewill REDBONE U3 ATX Mid Tower Case ($57.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.75 @ Vuugo)
Wireless Network Adapter: D-Link DWA-566 802.11a/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($25.00 @ NCIX)
Total: $973.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-19 11:18 EDT-0400

It's a overclockable too! +Good graphics +With SSD for faster WIndows booting and speed! ;) :)
 
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Im getting 280x dude not sure if the cpu can keep up. Do games need much CPU power at all? I thought games were more graphical heavy. GPU = Games CPU = Programs (as in video editing/3D etc.)

Should I close thread???
 
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A few things,
First off, it's not really overclockable, you picked a multiplier locked CPU that can't be overclocked.
You can get a better 4690 for a tiny amount more.
Watercooling isn't needed for OCing, you can get a very good OC with any decent air cooler.
All modern motherboards have built in sound cards.
Thermal compound is always necessary, not only if you're overclocking. Most aftermarket coolers come with decent thermal compound however, and the stock coolers have it pre applied.
You can get RAM just as good for $30 less.
The SSD is quite small.
You picked a very bad quality PSU.
It's quite far over budget.

Just go with the $900 build I posted, as it has better specs for $70 less.
 
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Yes, games also use the CPU a lot, just for different things. How much the CPU is used depends on the game, but if you get a good GPU and a bad CPU you're going to get a lot of stuttering and very bad performance in CPU intensive games, and in areas with lots of CPU intensive things, such as BF4 64 player games.
For gaming, getting a good balance between CPU power and GPU power is the most important thing, do not cheap out on the CPU.

Don't get a R9 280x, as you can easily overclock the R9 280 to be just as good, or better.

Just go with the $700 or the $900 build I posted last, depending on how much you want to spend, as they have a better balance of components, and will give better performance than anything else suggested so far.
 
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The only online game I play is dota. And I play it alot (stay away from the game if u dont play it, its a waste of time, I wish I didnt play this game). I play sandbox single player games : metro last light, witcher, risen, skyrim, etc.
 
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As said above, for Skyrim the 280x and 6300 work well, however Skyrim is very CPU based, and in Skyrim Intel far, far outperforms AMD, so if you do want the best performance, you can save up for a little longer to get the i5, up to you though, the 6300 + 280x combo will work well on Last light, Risen, The Witcher, and any game currently out, the i5 will just give you that extra performance for CPU based games and games in the future.
 
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