1st new pc build for $600-$700 need help

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im not sure what to look for when building a computer, but i just signed up for computer science and wanted to get this built for school, I will also be gaming with it and I start school on 9/02/14. This is what i have so far. http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pjkerb/saved/nDM48d I was wondering if I could cut back on the motherboard a bit, or if i needed a better one. Also do I need a new hard drive, network card, sound card, or anything else not there. Or can I take at least the hard drive and sound card from my current computer its a cheap emachines el1358g-51w its 2 years old, but the hard drive is 1 tera-byte. Also I wasnt sure if I posted in the right place. Thank you in advance for the help. Then I have this unfinished list if this would be able to keep me around $550-$600. http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pjkerb/saved/zfGbt6
Lastly this is the last thing which video card should i use for gaming and what are the differences
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr92803gbd5t2dheoc
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-100373l
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-r9270xedfc
I appreciate any help i can get. Let me know if I posted in the wrong place and I will fix it.
 
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Really, the second build would be better at gaming. The first one has just about the best Intel CPU, so its going to do great with anything other than gaming, but if you were to get a new GPU, it would be really good.

Now, the second build I see has an extremely low PSU wattage for that system. Like, it will probably come not working in the box. And the PSU that you found on PcPartPicker is a very low quality PSU. Here is the PSU I recommend (I have the same PSU, and no...
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I went ahead and made a build that I recommend.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B85-G41 PC Mate ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.24 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB FTW ACX Video Card ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Silverstone PS10B ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.50 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $560.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-22 13:33 EDT-0400

I'd say don't go with AMD for the reason that about all of their motherboard have a PCie x16 2.0, and no 3.0. This means that you will be getting less memory from your GPU to your motherboard, and that will limit the GPU a little bit and cause some FPS loss. And... Their CPUs are not very good, and run very hot.

 
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this was my build http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JQWdGX i was going with amd bc i heard they were better even though they run hotter. the motherboard has pci3x 16 3.0. and i saw in reviews the radeon r9 280is alot better than the nvidia equivalent. this is just what i heard but i think i heard intel processors are better but i didnt want to go back and start a new build and have to find what chipsets go with what but i found out i dont need a hdd or optical so that saved money
 
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Ok this is what i want. Basically the cheapest i can get that will play Titanfall on med to high settings. It doesn't even have to be great, but with room to upgrade in the future, if i decide to get really good settings. I'm going to be starting school for computer information systems on the second, so i want the computer before then to be able to handle anything I need in class. I appreciate the help because I had someone go over my first build, and it would have been a waste of money because you need A 600w psu for the R9 280 3 GB and the motherboard didn't have PCie x 16 3.0 it was a mess.
 
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AMD is not better for CPUs. The Athlon 750K is weaker and more expensive than the Pentium G3258.
If you want the best CPU for price/performance ratio, that's the i3-4150. Costs about the same as an FX-6300, but performs better.

You also don't need the cheap case fan or CPU cooler you included, as they ship with decent enough ones included.

This is a better build for less money.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($59.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($83.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card ($187.97 @ OutletPC)
Case: Azza CSAZ-206 ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.04 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($68.94 @ Amazon)
Total: $496.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-22 15:00 EDT-0400

 
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I couldn't agree more. Though, there is no storage.
 
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His two revised builds didn't include storage either, so I assumed he already had that covered.
 
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As Rationale said, AMD isn't really better than Intel, except for the specs of the CPU. AMD, I'm sure puts all the stuff they say they put in their CPUs. What I've seen, is even a dual core Intel processor outperforming a 6 core AMD. When you see something like that, you know something is wrong. I'd say AMD doesn't really do a good job on optimizing their CPUs, and that causes a lack of performance.

One problem with your build is that, that you have a very powerful GPU, and a very weak CPU . This is what people call a bottleneck. So pretty much, if one vital part of the system is slower than the rest, then the computer can only be as good as that one part (kinda confusing). So, like the CPU is going to hold the GPU back. This will probably cause some performance loss, and cause the GPU to only preform as good as maybe a R9-270. An example of a bottleneck would be having a system with GTX 780 Ti (best card) with a single core processor.

My build, was more focused on having a powerful CPU, so in the future, you could upgrade to a better GPU.

I checked on this website, and they say that even a 750 ti can max Titanfall, easy. You can check too, but you might have to create an account or log in.
 
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"In GameSpot's own testing the card [GTX 750 Ti] ran the likes of Tomb Raider and Bioshock Infinite at over 60fps on high settings. It also ran the beta of the new mech-based shooter Titanfall at 58fps at 1080p with 2XAA on, a feat not even accomplished by the Xbox One."
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/149-nvidia-gtx-750-ti-unveiled-plays-titanfall-better-than-xbox-one/1100-6417813/
 
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ok i like both builds from the two of you but which one should i get i have up to 600 to spend but with rationals should i add an sdd thank you two for all of the help. but which card is better the 750 ti or the r 9 270 and would the processor bottleneck it since its only a dual core, and i think i read somewhere that the r9 270 cant use a micro atx motherboard or it might have been something else
 
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Looks good. Though the GTX 650 is quite a bit worse than the GTX 750 Ti, you can see here. And it has no storage, but since you didn't include it into the other builds, I am going to assume that you don't need it.

I also forgot to mention one perk of having the better CPU. One of the nice things about it, is if in the future you wanted to increase performance, you could easily just buy a new GPU. But with starting out with a lower CPU, then in the future when you would want to increase performance, you would have to buy a new CPU, and GPU.

But if you will never want anything more powerful than the R9-270, then go with Rationale's build.
 
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Really, the second build would be better at gaming. The first one has just about the best Intel CPU, so its going to do great with anything other than gaming, but if you were to get a new GPU, it would be really good.

Now, the second build I see has an extremely low PSU wattage for that system. Like, it will probably come not working in the box. And the PSU that you found on PcPartPicker is a very low quality PSU. Here is the PSU I recommend (I have the same PSU, and no issues for 8 months straight.)

In my opinion, I'd say build your own for $750. But if you had to choose between these 2, then go with the Dell for future upgrade, and just a more solid computer.
 
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the only thing with the dell is i think the case is a mini and now that i think about it i would proly max out atound 700 so i wouldnt be able too but if i could what would you go with for between 700 and 750
 
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Pre-built computers, or custom?
 
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