Opinions on this Pre-built, Looking to Run WoW at high FPS in a raid setting at high/ultra settings

divineone · Aug 20, 2014

Hey All,

I'm looking to purchase a new pre-built computer to run World of Warcraft at high/ultra settings and high fps in raid environments. Trying to stay in the 700-900 price range, I do not play high end games like Crisis so I am not worried about other games running at high settings. I really want a PC to max out or at least run WoW at high settings and still have solid FPS. I am a teacher and my only really hobby outside of my girlfriend is messing around on WoW and I really want to finally own a computer that can play it optimally.

This is the one I am currently looking at.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8529717&CatId=114

Any opinions and suggestions are very much appreciated! I am open to look at anything you might think fits my situation.

Thanks,
Jason Pierce

Bean007 · Aug 20, 2014

divineone :

Not sure about the 7850 and running Ultra on wow and the kind of FPS you'll get. Also don't forget that the new exp. pack is coming out also. Uhmm you don't need the 8 Core AMD FX 8320 as most of your games will only support 2 cores while there are some that will support 4 but not many. So you could play around with the CPU for a better GPU. However you do have to reconsider the PSU if you go higher on the GPU.

IInuyasha74 · Aug 20, 2014

That should do it. Both the graphics card and CPU should be fast enough and be able to play the game on high settings without issue.

I should mention that you will get more performance for your money if you get a custom built system built by yourself or someone you know who has done this before, but if you aren't sure about putting it together yourself this will be fine.

IInuyasha74 · Aug 20, 2014

Bean007 :

That isn't true actually, having the 8-core will help a lot here. Most games now make use of 4 CPU cores and its increasing in number since the new game systems have 8 CPU cores each. Not sure how many WoW uses but the extra cores come in handy for running other programs that are open and the network while gaming.

As for the GPU, I don't personally play WoW but I have the same GPU and manage to play Bioshock Infinite with maxed out settings, Tomb Raider on Ultra settings (with AA turned off), Shogun Total War II with high settings, and many other games on high so I would expect it can handle Wow.

divineone · Aug 20, 2014

Thanks for the support guys! I am not comfortable yet building my own computer so I am looking for a pre-built this round. Is the 8 core really overkill? And is the video card really not that great? I want to make sure that in raids I can get high FPS, my days of 10-15 FPS are hopefully over with my new rig. What other options might I go for? An example or link to a better idea would be great, I am really out of my element here.

Thanks!

Bean007 · Aug 20, 2014

Unless he does video rendering or something like that he'll never use 8 Cores by the time he upgrades his next computer. Look how long it was before the 1st game finally started using more then 2 Cores. If I wasn't mistaken one of them was DICE and it was Battlefield Bad Company 2. We had Quad Cores way before that and still most companies were still on the 2 Core Bandwagon.

Bean007 · Aug 20, 2014

divineone :

Look how long we've had 6 cores and nobody is using it for gaming yet and now were at 8. I doubt you'll find any games that support 6 cores right now.

divineone · Aug 20, 2014

Well I am not terribly concerned with the CPU now that it seems it will be more than enough for WoW. Is the graphics card enough or should I keep looking for new deals? I really want to lock down a idea sooner rather than later but I am willing to shop around if you guys don't think it will be enough to run the game the way I want to.

Bean007 · Aug 20, 2014

divineone :

It's gonna play it and it will play it fine. Will it give you still good fps with everything on ultra in the game as well as any mod's you added? Maybe. As I said I would save on the CPU for a better GPU with a better PSU depending on your choice of GPU's.

You could just go to Blizzard and ask them or in the forums. Perhaps a Blue can help you out since it's there game and there's probably more people there that can give you a for sure answer. I do agree with the building it yourself but I know at times it can be scary and to try to build it yourself and something goes wrong. At least with a pre-built it's not your fault unless you did something to it.

IInuyasha74 · Aug 20, 2014

It is more than enough for WoW but Bean007 is way over selling it.

Dude do you ever look at games and what they use? Or why they use that?

Watch Dogs:
http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/requirements/watch-dogs/11845/?p=r

Battlefield 4:
http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/requirements/battlefield-4/11804/?p=r

Battlefield 3:
http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/requirements/battlefield-3/11211/?p=r

Bioshock Infinite:
http://systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/requirements/bioshock-infinite/11557/?p=r

Rome II: Total War:
http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/requirements/total-war-rome-ii/11671/?p=r

Thief:
http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/requirements/thief/11954/?p=r

All of these games are fairly modern, and all of them for their recommended CPU list at least a quad core, if not a six core CPU.

Not to mention here is a straight test done with WoW which shows performance increasing as more cores are added.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-directx-11-performance,2793-10.html

There isn't any way you can say only two CPU cores are used when practically every modern game can make use of four.

IInuyasha74 · Aug 20, 2014

Here is another WoW benchmark
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-15.html

Again, showing that the FX 8350, which is pretty much what this computer he is looking at has, which posses much lower IPC compared to the older Phenom II CPUs is beating them by a large margin. This wouldn't be possible unless it was making use of more CPU cores than six. In other words, WoW is taking advantage of all eight CPU cores and is easily seen on tests that already exist, and on an older version of the game. The new expansion coming soon will only increase this.

IInuyasha74 · Aug 20, 2014

Also, here are two links of people testing the the AMD Radeon HD 7850, the same graphics card in that system, on WoW. Averaging around 90FPS at 1050p and 70FPS at 1080p with all settings maxed out.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-review-benchmark,3148-16.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R225XG8ARIs

Bean007 · Aug 20, 2014

It's a 8 Core CPU you fool. So you have 3 games that support 6 cores. Geez how long from when we had 6 Core CPU's did it take for just a few games that would support it.

IInuyasha74 · Aug 21, 2014

You just said above that and I quote "most of your games will only support 2 cores while there are some that will support 4 but not many."

Copy and pasted. You literally said not many games use 4 CPU cores, while practically everything from the last two years or better that isn't Indie supports quad core CPUs. Now that the Xbox One and PS4 are out and both have eight CPU cores all games will be optimized for eight CPU cores. Its not going to take a long time, its going to happen starting in about six months.

Not only that, you completely ignored the WoW benchmarks I posted. One showing performance improves as more cores are used, with a stead increase from core to core. Granted it sort of leveled off 3-5 cores for some reason but at 6 CPU cores it had a big jump again.
That also ignores the specific test with eight core FX CPU which has lower IPC showing it beating the 6 core Phenom II, which can only happen when all 8 CPU cores of the FX CPU are in use. It doesn't happen any other time because Phenom II has much higher IPC and single-threaded performance.

So you shouldn't tell people that eight CPU cores will never be used, or only 2 CPU cores are ever used when there is existing evidence of 4, 6, and even 8 CPU cores being used and showing benefits in games.

ljh08 · Aug 21, 2014

I have a A8 3870k APU using only the processing portion of it, 1 GB 7850, 8 GB ram, SSD main drive with 1 tb 7200 RPM storage drive that is holding my wow install.

I'm getting around 30 fps on ultra 1080p fullscreen mode around org and lower level dungeons etc. Playable 70-80 fps on medium. decent 45-70 on high with some items turned off. The 4 core apu hurts it I believe pretty bad. I also wish I had went with a higher graphical memory on the GPU.

I'd also recommend building your own computer, as a good i5 build for 900 bucks is totally possible with parts from newegg and amazon. Assuming you are set with prebuilt you might consider something like http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8433453&Sku=I455-G1318 . Slightly higher than your budget or at the top line though. I'd consider a i5 with a 270+ amd gpu or NVidia 760+. Personally I'm looking to upgrade to i5/i7 and a 880 if they release for a decent price next month.

tsuneo6 · Aug 23, 2014

I didnt read through everything... and I dont know if this has been mentioned here. but for WoW a good graphics card is important, but WoW is especially heavy for the CPU, so the 8320 wont hurt at all.
I play wow on aultra settings with a gtx 760 overclocked, and in raiding enviroments my fps can(rarely though) drop to 20. but most of the time it runs smooth x)

so if you realy want to raid with ultra settings with smooth, then you should concider a gtx 770 or the amd equivalent. I know that the requirements dont state a good gfxcard like that and all but I'm talking from experience x)

tsuneo6 · Aug 23, 2014

I could even give you my build, it was 820 euro's or so.

IInuyasha74 · Aug 23, 2014

tsuneo6 :

Input from people who actually plays the game always helps. Just curious though what is your CPU?
I don't play it but low FPS is always caused by one or more parts not keeping up, so knowing your system will help with seeing if it is your GPU, RAM, CPU, or HDD since all of those are possible causes. That way we can help direct him as accurately as possible.

Teemi · Aug 23, 2014

If you're going for an ibuypower pc or cyberpower, you should buy it directly from their website so that you can upgrade some items/get a better configuration for the same price. Their ram and psu are really cheap if you don't upgrade to a name brand. The psu is important because if you get a bad one it can ruin your whole computer.

tsuneo6 · Aug 23, 2014

CPU: fx 8320 OC'd to 3.8GHz
GPU: gtx 760 OC'd to 1250MHz
RAM: 2x4 gkill ripjaw (1600MHz)
MOBO: asus M5A97 R2.0
HDD: 1TB western digital blue sata 600

tsuneo6 · Aug 23, 2014

IInuyasha74 :

I'm talking about a lagspike, lets say when some boss encounters starts and everyone suddenly casts spells at the same time(I supose you can imagine), in those situations my fps could drop tot 20 for a second, after that it would be smooth again.
other games like BF4 dont have this problem. I did post my specs though!

Rationale · Aug 23, 2014

Not that the FX-8320 is bad, because it's not, but it was not the most effective choice for WoW. The old ivy bridge i3-2100 marginally beats the FX-8350 in WoW.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/62

Most CPUs nowadays are capable of solid performance in an older game like World of Warcraft, but the FX CPUs are just about the most overpriced and least efficient options for MMO-focused rigs.

IInuyasha74 · Aug 24, 2014

tsuneo6 :

Ahh I see. Thanks for the input. I think your lag-spike is probably actually caused by your HDD or internet connection in this case. When something like that is happening its loading in a ton of textures, since every spell cast will have a bunch of textures needing loaded and all that. Not sure if those textures are stored on your HDD or on the server and then downloaded to you in real time but thats probably the cause of the lag. I would think your hardware normally wouldn't lag at all even for a split second on this if you added an SSD to the mix.

Nice system though

tsuneo6 · Aug 24, 2014

IInuyasha74 :

tsuneo6 :

Ahh I see. Thanks for the input. I think your lag-spike is probably actually caused by your HDD or internet connection in this case. When something like that is happening its loading in a ton of textures, since every spell cast will have a bunch of textures needing loaded and all that. Not sure if those textures are stored on your HDD or on the server and then downloaded to you in real time but thats probably the cause of the lag. I would think your hardware normally wouldn't lag at all even for a split second on this if you added an SSD to the mix.

Nice system though

SSD is incomming in a few months

this PC is 9 months old I think, but I upgrade quite alot

it must be the HDD then yes, recently upgraded from a 4 Mbit connection to 70Mbit and it still happens.

and ty ^^

tsuneo6 · Aug 24, 2014

anyway, back to the problem at hand, did you decide what to do? get that PC, look for another one, or let one of us make one for you?
we can tell you what parts to use and you go to some website and select them, the shop will assemble it for you. so you dont have to do anything else then selecting the right pieces.

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