Building a new computer for the 1st time; unsure about if I'm trying to futureproof it too much & if I need a graphics card

blchpmnk

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Hi,

My Mac is in need of replacement, and I'm not even slightly impressed with what Apple has to offer (a 2 year old Mini that costs as much as it did 2 years ago, a non-portable laptop called the iMac and the nicer but far too pricey for me Mac Pro) so after 20 years of using Macs, I'm going to switch to Windows (I use Windows regularly at work) and build my own computer.

I'd like to do some gaming, but nothing too wild and it's not a huge priority (I'm not going to play all the latest releases at 60fps, but after years of not playing games on my personal computer, I'd like to start playing games like CS, Sniper Elite, etc. for a few hours a week). The computer is mainly going to be used by others in the household for web browsing & watching videos.

I was thinking about getting the Intel 4790K because its only ~$30 more than the 4790 (I'm in Canada) and it gives me more flexibility should I wish to tinker with things more in the future (although I doubt that I'd overclock, largely because I don't want to mess with elaborate cooling systems). I realize that this is overkill as an i5 could do pretty much everything I need to do, but I'm thinking that the ~100 difference will be worth it in the future as the i7 should go longer before needing to be replaced with something more powerful and it would offer more flexibility in the future. Is it logical to go for a fairly highend processor like the 4790K on the basis that it's not excessively more expensive than the various i5 offerings?

The other thing I'm concerned about is managing noise and heat - as the others using the computer wouldn't be testing the systems limits and they're not especially good with computers, is there an easy way to have their accounts run at a lower clock speed to keep temps down and noise low while retaining full power for my account?

And I've heard that the integrated graphics of the 4790 are quite good, so I'm thinking that since I'm not a serious gamer, I could see if it is sufficient, and then install a graphics card later if needed. Is this as easy as I think it is (open case, install card, set up drivers/software)?

I'm fearful that I'm thinking that this whole process will easier than it actually will be, as it seems to me like I'd just be buying the parts (case, PSU, CPU, RAM, SSD, etc.), installing them, and setting up the software.

Thanks a lot. Any help is greatly appreciated.
 

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Im not an intel expert, so im not going to recommend you any cpus. First of all, you need a good motherboard. I recommend Asus or MSI. If you pick AMD processors, motherboards are slightly cheaper as the processors.

About noise and heat: Use the anti vibration screws for HDDs and fans, or the noise mat. Its very simple to install, but might have some problems with the heat then. If you wanna deal with heat properly: buy 120mm or 90mm fans (one or two at least) and install them, and pick a new heatsink. I recommend a budget 40-50$ for good ones*(try to buy ones made from copper and aluminium, makes the cooling better*.

If you're not a serius gamer, buy GT or GTX card. GTX 660 will do just fine.

For the other parts, I recommend :

PSU: Corsair/Coolermaster/ any other above 600W
RAM: Corsair/Kingston/G.Skill 8 gigs (recommended 2x4gigs) at clock 1600mhz or higher, maybe wacht the latency.*the lower, the better*
Case: Corsair/Coolermaster/ any other with GOOD COOLING (try to search ones with installed fans, 120mm.)
SSD: get Samsung 840EVO *or better* 240GB or 120GB. I recommend more space, you'll fill 120 in a second.

 

traumadisaster

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Things can be easy like they have been for me with my first build in 2010. However, each step of the way an incompatibility can occur and a user error may occur. Like you, I don't know if I was lucky or it's just low risk. Either way, I wanted to tinker so I said if I bend the pins and have to throw $200 away then oh well, I'm gonna live life and take a chance.

From what I understand cpu use is 1) gaming and frames per second, 2) productivity like video editing, etc., 3) web browsing etc. As far as gaming, there is maybe 10-20 frames per second different from a 3 year old cpu. I have an 15 2500k and it does fine with a good video card. Majority of games are reliant on the gfx card, so thinking you can play with the on board gfx at 60fps you will be quickly upgrading. Any $200 card will be fine for you, but realize the stronger gfx card you get the more you will be able to reach better fps in the future. Cpu's have little to do with it, so any 2-300 cpu will do fine. I would suggest a cheap motherboard because you won't be doing much with it. I have a $78 z68 from 2010 and had no problems, because by the time you want to upgrade it will require a new motherboard anyway. Ram no more than 8gb at the cheapest you can get, it does not effect fps much (1-2).

Get a cheap cpu and put the extra in gfx card, that will give you more performance for longer.

 
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($259.04 @ TigerDirect Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($31.27 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($162.52 @ DirectCanada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($84.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.71 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($274.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: BitFenix Merc Alpha (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($33.15 @ DirectCanada)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($83.91 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $987.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-30 17:41 EDT-0400
 
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TomThePotato

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You can pay an extra 20 dollars, you can get a R9 280X which will be better than a Gtx 760. (Competes with the 770)

EDIT : Since you're not a serious gamer, you can live on the integrated graphics and then get a 800 series gpu when you're more into pc gaming..
 

I tend to not recommend AMD cards because
1, Their drivers kinda suck
2, Their cards tend to get hot and loud, and FAST (unless it has aftermarket cooling, with which the process will go slower).
3, The cards are kinda big.
4, nVidia has been doing GPUs for a long time now, while AMD has been doing stuff from CPUs to GPUs.
 

Ever consider normal/SC EVGA cards? They're TINY compared to AMD cards.
P.S. how can you be sure OP is a he:)?