Can anyone suggest radiator set-up for this rig pls, I have no idea :-)
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syceo
August 20, 2014 3:43:30 PM
Ok so I took the plung and went with an R9 295x5 now i want to do a custom loop. I have no idea how to calculate how many radiators I need to cool the following :
MSI R9 295x2
i7 4770k currently stock (intend to over-clock)
The case is a Corsairs 540 air
and intend on purchasing a 290x to add to the loop later.
I would really appreciate some help in choosing a radiator configuration that will fit in this case.
Thanks
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/gq84zuwksjkwltz/20140820_1942...
MSI R9 295x2
i7 4770k currently stock (intend to over-clock)
The case is a Corsairs 540 air
and intend on purchasing a 290x to add to the loop later.
I would really appreciate some help in choosing a radiator configuration that will fit in this case.
Thanks

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gq84zuwksjkwltz/20140820_1942...
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Umzipumzi
August 20, 2014 6:02:43 PM
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August 20, 2014 7:03:33 PM
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The water-cooling sticky will tell all, particularly the TDP section in the information thread. However I recommend you read the whole thing.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2232179/water-cool...
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2232179/water-cool...
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Umzipumzi
August 21, 2014 12:46:22 PM
manofchalk said:
The water-cooling sticky will tell all, particularly the TDP section in the information thread. However I recommend you read the whole thing.http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2232179/water-cool...
Indeed- questions like this thread are the exact reason I added the section to determine what a person needs to calculate for radiator space. It seems the sticky is being read less and less...I think being hidden in that index page is causing it to get lost even more than it was before.
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manofchalk said:
The water-cooling sticky will tell all, particularly the TDP section in the information thread. However I recommend you read the whole thing.http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2232179/water-cool...
Indeed- questions like this thread are the exact reason I added the section to determine what a person needs to calculate for radiator space. It seems the sticky is being read less and less...I think being hidden in that index page is causing it to get lost even more than it was before.
It is also the fist linked at the bottom of the opening post in this thread so it is still very accessible and available, even though the threads are both linked in the consolidated sticky.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2196038/air-cooling-water-cooling-things.html
The below statement is to Rubix and MOC as they will understand exactly what I am saying, it is not intended to offend anyone, however it is the truth and sometimes the truth hurts, so unless you are Rubix or MOC my advice is don't click on the spoiler!
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Rubix, The true problem is nothing more than the sheer laziness that has always plagued these forums with the, help me syndrome, of those too lazy to help themselves, the information is up there to help them, but to get that help they have to take the time to read and study it, but the majority want it done for them, Period!
So we're stuck with endless questions of what do I need here, and what do I need there, when all that information is available to them to make 100% solid choices.
It amazes me sometimes to see just how lazy this generation is, if we were that lazy they wouldn't have the guides to help them, because we wouldn't have taken the time, and research, to compile all the information they could use to Help themselves!
Whether it comes to overclocking or water cooling it really doesn't matter, it is amuch smaller investment to read what's written than it was to compile and write it!
Ry
So we're stuck with endless questions of what do I need here, and what do I need there, when all that information is available to them to make 100% solid choices.
It amazes me sometimes to see just how lazy this generation is, if we were that lazy they wouldn't have the guides to help them, because we wouldn't have taken the time, and research, to compile all the information they could use to Help themselves!
Whether it comes to overclocking or water cooling it really doesn't matter, it is amuch smaller investment to read what's written than it was to compile and write it!
Ry
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I understand that many people come to forums looking for answers to their questions. However, I DO NOT understand why, instead of reading and learning, people just blurt out what they have questions about and demand a specific 'what is best for me' response. Each person's watercooling loop is different and unique due to a myriad of reasons...there isn't a cookie cutter answer unless it is 'get a Corsair H100i' or something similar.
I spent a lot of time putting together that sticky, similar to how Ry has spent countless hours putting together reviews and writeups on many topics. All of that time and work to organize the subject matter and so many people fail to reference and utilize it.
Here's the problem with real life - if you just demand the answer and don't understand how you got it or why, you aren't learning anything and you're going to find yourself in the same situation (or worse) later because you didn't take the time to learn something new.
Watercooling isn't that difficult to understand; at the most basic level, you can easily figure out the concepts and what you need within an hour. It's the reason people make stickies...saving us all time and energy from repeating the same things over and over. It's unfortunate that we don't have as many people in our forums that others do on the subject matter...that would be highly beneficial to the culture.
I spent a lot of time putting together that sticky, similar to how Ry has spent countless hours putting together reviews and writeups on many topics. All of that time and work to organize the subject matter and so many people fail to reference and utilize it.
Here's the problem with real life - if you just demand the answer and don't understand how you got it or why, you aren't learning anything and you're going to find yourself in the same situation (or worse) later because you didn't take the time to learn something new.
Watercooling isn't that difficult to understand; at the most basic level, you can easily figure out the concepts and what you need within an hour. It's the reason people make stickies...saving us all time and energy from repeating the same things over and over. It's unfortunate that we don't have as many people in our forums that others do on the subject matter...that would be highly beneficial to the culture.
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For the OP:
TDP & Calculating Delta-T
When it comes to figuring out how much radiator you need for your specific loop, you have to start doing some math. I know that we all have been building a loop and thought, ‘how many, what size and what kind of radiators do I need for this loop to stay cool like I want?’
First tip: Google is your best friend to help find TDP (Thermal Design Power}
Finding out what the TDP or your CPU or GPU is can be as simple as doing some searches by searching for ‘i7 2600k TDP', ‘GTX 580 TDP’, or ‘AMD 6970 TDP’. Remember to account for all components…if you run a multi-card graphics setup, you need to include the TDP values for all cards in the total. For example, our i7 2600k has a stock TDP of about 95 watts at 100% load (estimated). If we have a 2x SLI setup of GTX 580’s, we are looking at about 244 watts at 100% load, per card. Total? About 583 watts in heat that these three components can potentially produce when at 100% load, simultaneously; it's also safe to consider that heat dissipation can never be 100% efficient of power consumption, so even calcuating 85-90% of your TDP total is pretty safe. (This also translates very closely to wattage when you need to consider a power supply for your system, but you need to account for the remaining components: motherboard, fans, hard drives, DVD drives, etc. To help calculate a full system TDP, you can use a tool like the Extreme PSU Calculator (link). In short, when calculating loop TDP, simply add up the total values for components being cooled in the loop...if you have more than one video card, make sure you add in TDP for each one. If you want to simply calculate the overclocked TDP wattage of your CPU, just adjust the CPU section of the calculator or utilize the calculation listed a bit later.
Once you have calculated your total loop TDP potential, you need to consider radiators that dissipate heat in watts depending on flow rate of your loop and fans being used and their speeds/power. For this task, I almost always refer to Skinneelabs.com/radiators (link) for all of this crucial information, graphs and comparisons.
For example, I am going to reference the XSPC RX360 radiator for this loop. Given the total TDP of 583 watts, I want to know if this single radiator is enough for my loop, or if I should consider another radiator.
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Looking at this chart, we can see that the maximum amount of heat this radiator can dissipate is around 555 watts using 2800 rpm fans (very fast, very loud). You could get better results in a push/pull scenario, but that’s even louder; you may be able to live with a 15-20° delta and loud fans if you went this route.
In short, Delta-T is the load temperature of the water in your loop when compared to ambient air temps; if your room ambient is 27°C, and load water temp is 34°C, this gives you an approximate Delta of 7°C if you are running 100% load on all components being cooled by the loop. Basically, delta-T is a mathematical derivative of your ambient room temperature, flow rate, heat to be dissipated (in watts) and the ability of your radiator to dissipate heat (in watts) depending on fans used to produce the cooling impact by the loop as a whole. You’ll notice the chart above has a listing of different fans in the upper-left corner: this determines the angle of the graph and the temperature delta on the left side of the graph. Lower fan speeds correlate to a higher delta-T as you add more heat in watts to the loop. The more heat you produce, the more important it is to remove it from the loop; and fans help accomplish this goal. If you notice the actual temperatures on the lines of the graph at the determined points (around 300 watts of load and around 555 watts), you’ll see that the fan speed allows the heat dissipation to be rather normalized. However, the further to the right (and up the graph you go), you’ll also notice that your delta-T rises. Below a 5° is incredibly good, 10° is still very good and even 15° deltas are very much the norm. If we wanted to run this loop at a 10° delta, we would need to run two of these RX360 radiators to keep the heat load in watts below 300 watts dissipated per radiator with fans of 600-2800 rpm (in a single-fan setup; push/pull would allow some leniency here…perhaps a RX360 and an RX240, instead).
Granted, TDP and determining our delta-T isn’t an exact science, but it gets us pretty close. It’s a bit more tedius to calculate CPU overclocked wattage; however, here is a great calculation to help CPU overclocking and estimated TDP:
OC Wattage = TDP * ( OC MHz / Stock MHz) * ( OC Vcore / Stock Vcore )^2
Example:
Intel i7 2600k
3.4ghz (3400mhz)
1.25v
95 watts TDP
For this example I will use a relatively average overclock voltage of 1.35v to reach 4.5ghz (4500mhz)
OC Wattage = TDP x ( OC MHz / Stock MHz) x ( OC Vcore / Stock Vcore )^2
OC Wattage = 95 x (4500/3400) x (1.35/1.25)^2
OC Wattage = 95 x (1.3235) x (1.08)^2
OC Wattage = 95 x 1.3235 x 1.1664
OC Wattage = 147 (which is exactly what was calculated by the PSU calculator for overclocked CPU watts on this chip)
Radiators & Fans
The radiator is the heat exchanger for your water loop; water passes into its thin channels which run parallel down and back with small fins to help dissipate the heat. They are typically rectangular and match fan sizes commonly for 120mm and 140mm fans, but there are others to match 200mm fans sizes as well. Most radiators used are the 2x, 3x or 4x of these 120-140mm versions, but there are large radiators that also use 4, 6 or 9x 120mm fan-size in a grid pattern for a very large rad. There are also 180mm and 200mm rad sizes out there for several different fan placements and mounts for newer cases with larger footprint fans.
Radiators are typically listed and classified with FPI or 'Fins Per Inch'; this means that for every 1", there are 'X amount' of heat dissipating fins. Common low FPI rads are 7-11 FPI, while high FPI models are 20-30 FPI. This is important to understand as it directly relates to the radiator's performance (more FPI = higher cooling potential), but take note: this also means higher CFM fans with very good static pressure to move air over the densely packed fins. Higher CFM and static pressure fans are often more costly than lower speed fans that can be used for lower FPI rads. While the FPI-to-expensive-loud-fast-fan concept is a good rule of thumb to maximize performance of a 30 FPI rad, there isn't anything that says you have to run these kinds of fans on them, as normal, mid-range fans also perform quite well despite the extra FPI restriction. Expand the image below for an example of low vs. high FPI.
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(Images from SkinneeLabs.com)
Again, Skinneelabs.com has a very good radiator comparison and benchmark; triples are the most commonly implemented radiators, but they are also mainly used to keep an apples-to-apples comparison among the tested radiators. Once you start talking radiators, you start talking Deltas; or the difference in temperatures in comparison to ambient room temperatures and the water inside your loop. Most folks run a modest 10-12°C delta or even slightly more. Once you get below 10-8°C of Delta, you are getting your water temps closer to ambient. While I'm not a thermodynamic fluid engineer, there are some fairly easy-to-read explanations on Deltas around the web and you likely have already read my short description earlier in the sticky.
I've put together a chart that defines some different cooling properties of common radiators and their cooling potential based on total volume in cubic millimeters (mm^3). The list below is ranked based on thermal coefficient; essentially a product of a radiator's heat in watts for a 10°C delta-T with 2000rpm fans divided by total radiator volume to achieve the average cooling potential of all 15 radiators listed and reviewed by skinneelabs.com/water-cooling-radiators.
This can also be used for a very quick cooling performance estimate for total volume of a radiator based on the average thermal coefficient:
[volume LxWxH in mm]
(LxWxH) x 0.00023129193 = Watts dissipated for 10°C delta-T (estimated)
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Fans
When it comes to deciding on fans to use on your radiators, there are several sources around the web with comprehensive testing; including from one of our own, 4ryan6, who has a great fan guide. Be sure to read through the links below for questions and comparisons on many fan manufacturers.
Tom's Hardware, Cooling Fan Roundup 2012 -by 4ryan6
xTremeSystems.org Fan Roundup #1 -by vapor
XS-Fan-Review-Part-2 -by vapor
Xbit Labs 120mm Fan Roundup, Part 1 [< 1350 rpm]
Xbit Labs 120mm Fan Roundup, Part 2 [> 1350 rpm]
When considering radiators, fans and mounting of both, be sure to check the correct screw and thread size (as well as length, depending on application) for the radiator(s) you are using in your loop:
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Overclockers.com, Guide to Delta-T in Watercooling by Conumdrum
Skinneelabs.com/Radiators]
TDP & Calculating Delta-T
When it comes to figuring out how much radiator you need for your specific loop, you have to start doing some math. I know that we all have been building a loop and thought, ‘how many, what size and what kind of radiators do I need for this loop to stay cool like I want?’
First tip: Google is your best friend to help find TDP (Thermal Design Power}
Finding out what the TDP or your CPU or GPU is can be as simple as doing some searches by searching for ‘i7 2600k TDP', ‘GTX 580 TDP’, or ‘AMD 6970 TDP’. Remember to account for all components…if you run a multi-card graphics setup, you need to include the TDP values for all cards in the total. For example, our i7 2600k has a stock TDP of about 95 watts at 100% load (estimated). If we have a 2x SLI setup of GTX 580’s, we are looking at about 244 watts at 100% load, per card. Total? About 583 watts in heat that these three components can potentially produce when at 100% load, simultaneously; it's also safe to consider that heat dissipation can never be 100% efficient of power consumption, so even calcuating 85-90% of your TDP total is pretty safe. (This also translates very closely to wattage when you need to consider a power supply for your system, but you need to account for the remaining components: motherboard, fans, hard drives, DVD drives, etc. To help calculate a full system TDP, you can use a tool like the Extreme PSU Calculator (link). In short, when calculating loop TDP, simply add up the total values for components being cooled in the loop...if you have more than one video card, make sure you add in TDP for each one. If you want to simply calculate the overclocked TDP wattage of your CPU, just adjust the CPU section of the calculator or utilize the calculation listed a bit later.
Once you have calculated your total loop TDP potential, you need to consider radiators that dissipate heat in watts depending on flow rate of your loop and fans being used and their speeds/power. For this task, I almost always refer to Skinneelabs.com/radiators (link) for all of this crucial information, graphs and comparisons.
For example, I am going to reference the XSPC RX360 radiator for this loop. Given the total TDP of 583 watts, I want to know if this single radiator is enough for my loop, or if I should consider another radiator.

Looking at this chart, we can see that the maximum amount of heat this radiator can dissipate is around 555 watts using 2800 rpm fans (very fast, very loud). You could get better results in a push/pull scenario, but that’s even louder; you may be able to live with a 15-20° delta and loud fans if you went this route.
In short, Delta-T is the load temperature of the water in your loop when compared to ambient air temps; if your room ambient is 27°C, and load water temp is 34°C, this gives you an approximate Delta of 7°C if you are running 100% load on all components being cooled by the loop. Basically, delta-T is a mathematical derivative of your ambient room temperature, flow rate, heat to be dissipated (in watts) and the ability of your radiator to dissipate heat (in watts) depending on fans used to produce the cooling impact by the loop as a whole. You’ll notice the chart above has a listing of different fans in the upper-left corner: this determines the angle of the graph and the temperature delta on the left side of the graph. Lower fan speeds correlate to a higher delta-T as you add more heat in watts to the loop. The more heat you produce, the more important it is to remove it from the loop; and fans help accomplish this goal. If you notice the actual temperatures on the lines of the graph at the determined points (around 300 watts of load and around 555 watts), you’ll see that the fan speed allows the heat dissipation to be rather normalized. However, the further to the right (and up the graph you go), you’ll also notice that your delta-T rises. Below a 5° is incredibly good, 10° is still very good and even 15° deltas are very much the norm. If we wanted to run this loop at a 10° delta, we would need to run two of these RX360 radiators to keep the heat load in watts below 300 watts dissipated per radiator with fans of 600-2800 rpm (in a single-fan setup; push/pull would allow some leniency here…perhaps a RX360 and an RX240, instead).
Granted, TDP and determining our delta-T isn’t an exact science, but it gets us pretty close. It’s a bit more tedius to calculate CPU overclocked wattage; however, here is a great calculation to help CPU overclocking and estimated TDP:
OC Wattage = TDP * ( OC MHz / Stock MHz) * ( OC Vcore / Stock Vcore )^2
Quote:
Example:
Intel i7 2600k
3.4ghz (3400mhz)
1.25v
95 watts TDP
For this example I will use a relatively average overclock voltage of 1.35v to reach 4.5ghz (4500mhz)
OC Wattage = TDP x ( OC MHz / Stock MHz) x ( OC Vcore / Stock Vcore )^2
OC Wattage = 95 x (4500/3400) x (1.35/1.25)^2
OC Wattage = 95 x (1.3235) x (1.08)^2
OC Wattage = 95 x 1.3235 x 1.1664
OC Wattage = 147 (which is exactly what was calculated by the PSU calculator for overclocked CPU watts on this chip)
Radiators & Fans
The radiator is the heat exchanger for your water loop; water passes into its thin channels which run parallel down and back with small fins to help dissipate the heat. They are typically rectangular and match fan sizes commonly for 120mm and 140mm fans, but there are others to match 200mm fans sizes as well. Most radiators used are the 2x, 3x or 4x of these 120-140mm versions, but there are large radiators that also use 4, 6 or 9x 120mm fan-size in a grid pattern for a very large rad. There are also 180mm and 200mm rad sizes out there for several different fan placements and mounts for newer cases with larger footprint fans.
Radiators are typically listed and classified with FPI or 'Fins Per Inch'; this means that for every 1", there are 'X amount' of heat dissipating fins. Common low FPI rads are 7-11 FPI, while high FPI models are 20-30 FPI. This is important to understand as it directly relates to the radiator's performance (more FPI = higher cooling potential), but take note: this also means higher CFM fans with very good static pressure to move air over the densely packed fins. Higher CFM and static pressure fans are often more costly than lower speed fans that can be used for lower FPI rads. While the FPI-to-expensive-loud-fast-fan concept is a good rule of thumb to maximize performance of a 30 FPI rad, there isn't anything that says you have to run these kinds of fans on them, as normal, mid-range fans also perform quite well despite the extra FPI restriction. Expand the image below for an example of low vs. high FPI.

(Images from SkinneeLabs.com)
Again, Skinneelabs.com has a very good radiator comparison and benchmark; triples are the most commonly implemented radiators, but they are also mainly used to keep an apples-to-apples comparison among the tested radiators. Once you start talking radiators, you start talking Deltas; or the difference in temperatures in comparison to ambient room temperatures and the water inside your loop. Most folks run a modest 10-12°C delta or even slightly more. Once you get below 10-8°C of Delta, you are getting your water temps closer to ambient. While I'm not a thermodynamic fluid engineer, there are some fairly easy-to-read explanations on Deltas around the web and you likely have already read my short description earlier in the sticky.
I've put together a chart that defines some different cooling properties of common radiators and their cooling potential based on total volume in cubic millimeters (mm^3). The list below is ranked based on thermal coefficient; essentially a product of a radiator's heat in watts for a 10°C delta-T with 2000rpm fans divided by total radiator volume to achieve the average cooling potential of all 15 radiators listed and reviewed by skinneelabs.com/water-cooling-radiators.
This can also be used for a very quick cooling performance estimate for total volume of a radiator based on the average thermal coefficient:
[volume LxWxH in mm]
(LxWxH) x 0.00023129193 = Watts dissipated for 10°C delta-T (estimated)


Fans
When it comes to deciding on fans to use on your radiators, there are several sources around the web with comprehensive testing; including from one of our own, 4ryan6, who has a great fan guide. Be sure to read through the links below for questions and comparisons on many fan manufacturers.
Tom's Hardware, Cooling Fan Roundup 2012 -by 4ryan6
xTremeSystems.org Fan Roundup #1 -by vapor
XS-Fan-Review-Part-2 -by vapor
Xbit Labs 120mm Fan Roundup, Part 1 [< 1350 rpm]
Xbit Labs 120mm Fan Roundup, Part 2 [> 1350 rpm]
When considering radiators, fans and mounting of both, be sure to check the correct screw and thread size (as well as length, depending on application) for the radiator(s) you are using in your loop:

Overclockers.com, Guide to Delta-T in Watercooling by Conumdrum
Skinneelabs.com/Radiators]
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For clandestine mod communication, make the post and delete it.
I wouldnt say its out of laziness, its almost more that people have learnt to ignore things. On the internet the useful info/noise ratio is pretty lopsided, so your trained to ignore a lot of it unless attention is drawn to it. Perhaps a different colour text or box for stickies would fix that.
Careful old timer, some of us are that generation your referring too.
I agree that putting the sticky (we need another name for it now) inside the meta-sticky would obscure it and less people would find and read it, but there were so many stickies in the Overclocking forum, many of which are leftovers from when Water-Cooling was segregated, that it was too cluttered. I'l edit the sticky to draw as much attention to the info thread as possible though.
I wouldnt say its out of laziness, its almost more that people have learnt to ignore things. On the internet the useful info/noise ratio is pretty lopsided, so your trained to ignore a lot of it unless attention is drawn to it. Perhaps a different colour text or box for stickies would fix that.
Careful old timer, some of us are that generation your referring too.
I agree that putting the sticky (we need another name for it now) inside the meta-sticky would obscure it and less people would find and read it, but there were so many stickies in the Overclocking forum, many of which are leftovers from when Water-Cooling was segregated, that it was too cluttered. I'l edit the sticky to draw as much attention to the info thread as possible though.
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manofchalk said:
Careful old timer, some of us are that generation your referring too.Old timer?
That's a weird label to attach to someone that seems to never grow up, you young whipper snapper! ROFL
I'm still a child at heart MOC, but I have acquired some wisdom through these years, and It can be quite obvious as to those that at least are trying to help themselves, vs those with a constant hand out.
I have zero patience for those that won't help themselves and invest the time to learn what they need to know to accomplish what they desire to do, but it really gets sad, when they don't even know what that is!
Edit: By the way MOC, if you think I've said something offensive delete it, as we regular forum users do not have that delete capability ability.
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August 24, 2014 7:07:29 AM
4Ryan6 said:
rubix_1011 said:
manofchalk said:
The water-cooling sticky will tell all, particularly the TDP section in the information thread. However I recommend you read the whole thing.http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2232179/water-cool...
Indeed- questions like this thread are the exact reason I added the section to determine what a person needs to calculate for radiator space. It seems the sticky is being read less and less...I think being hidden in that index page is causing it to get lost even more than it was before.
It is also the fist linked at the bottom of the opening post in this thread so it is still very accessible and available, even though the threads are both linked in the consolidated sticky.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2196038/air-cooling-water-cooling-things.html
The below statement is to Rubix and MOC as they will understand exactly what I am saying, it is not intended to offend anyone, however it is the truth and sometimes the truth hurts, so unless you are Rubix or MOC my advice is don't click on the spoiler!
Spoiler
Rubix, The true problem is nothing more than the sheer laziness that has always plagued these forums with the, help me syndrome, of those too lazy to help themselves, the information is up there to help them, but to get that help they have to take the time to read and study it, but the majority want it done for them, Period!
So we're stuck with endless questions of what do I need here, and what do I need there, when all that information is available to them to make 100% solid choices.
It amazes me sometimes to see just how lazy this generation is, if we were that lazy they wouldn't have the guides to help them, because we wouldn't have taken the time, and research, to compile all the information they could use to Help themselves!
Whether it comes to overclocking or water cooling it really doesn't matter, it is amuch smaller investment to read what's written than it was to compile and write it!
Ry
So we're stuck with endless questions of what do I need here, and what do I need there, when all that information is available to them to make 100% solid choices.
It amazes me sometimes to see just how lazy this generation is, if we were that lazy they wouldn't have the guides to help them, because we wouldn't have taken the time, and research, to compile all the information they could use to Help themselves!
Whether it comes to overclocking or water cooling it really doesn't matter, it is amuch smaller investment to read what's written than it was to compile and write it!
Ry
So someone is deemed as lazy for simply asking for help?
Did I request a full and complete build guide.. come on chill out.....
A link to the relevant thread would have been sufficient... and that is exactly what Manofchalk provided ( btw thanks Manofchalk)
FYI I did in fact search for a relevant thread before posting this one
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4Ryan6 said:
Edit: By the way MOC, if you think I've said something offensive delete it, as we regular forum users do not have that delete capability ability.
You can delete your own stuff.
Ryan's rant isnt necessarily about you or super applicable to you, but its really common here for people to show up and and say "I know nothing about wc'ing, whats a good loop for a rig I havent specced out yet".
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