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Currently I have an Core i7-920 Processor. I've had this since i came out and it have served me well.

Though i cant get past 3.8GHz without running a core voltage of 1.5v. I've been content just running at that speed.

Now this one is getting old, both CPU, Mobo, Ram and Psu so im looking for replacement parts. I like them to be overcloackable. I do have a custom build watercooling solution which have plenty headroom for a more aggressive computer.

I have been looking at the following CPU, Mobo and ram
GA-Z97X-SOC Force*
Core i7 I7-4790K 8 MB**
Crucial ballistics 2 x 8 GB : BLT2CP8G3D1608DT1TX0CEU***

* I have chosen a gigabyte mobo becuase that is what i have in my current setup and it have worked without problems.

** This is the best available cpu which as i understand it have unlocked the core multiplier so this is what i am aming for. My current system have lasted for 5 years and can still keep up ( More to that ive upgraded my graphics). So my target is to get something that can last maybe the same amount of time. This is the reason for choosine the top line CPU.

*** Regarding memory i am at a loss. I have no clue to what to choose here and is essentially my primary question. What memory should i chose if i plan to OC?

I would like to know if anyone have any other ideas for CPU/MOBO combination and/or can recomend a good PSU. I do not beleve i need more than 800watts (not modular)

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Just get a i5 4690K (same but without HT) and 8 GB RAM if you're gaming.

The RAM doesn't matter, as if you want the highest stable/voltage, you don't want high clocked RAM.
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Ok can the core i5 be overclocked as good as the core i7 ?

 
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Stick with your CPU choice as the i7-4790K is stock clocked at 4ghz, and the i5-4690K at 3.5ghz, this is one situation CPU wise that the higher K with Hyper Threading is totally worth it, out of the gate before overclocking with a 500mhz increase at stock!

No offense Alpha3031, but to me that's a no brainer.

Memory wise I have 2 suggestions the first is an 8gb kit 2 x 4gb and the 2nd is a 16gb kit 2 x 8gb, I run the 8gb kit myself but if you really want the 16gb kit that's your choice, even with heavy gaming I'm not using but about half of the 8gb so i really don't see the need for more than that, but that's your choice.

I recommend G.Skill over any other modules on the market, it is some of the best performing memory money can buy, and it will run it's rated speeds even overclocked to high multiplier levels.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231587

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231589

 
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The idea for my system is that i needs to be future proof (ofc. to the extend computers can be). However my current system have 6GB, i find that slightly underrated today but was totally exsessive when i bought my system. so i think ill stick with the 2x8GB. I might even go 4x8GB but time and money will tell.

I also think that i will go with the core i7 because i do other things that gaming which involvs heavy cpu usage.

I will look at your memory suggestions tonight, though i know nothing about memory what so ever i will have to dig alittle. but have a starting point is really worth it thank you.

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500 MHz with the same unlocked multiplier and TIM, but for 100 dollars?

2x8 gB of DDR3 isn't future proof, 2x8 GB of DDR4 (which isn't supported yet) is.

The longer you can wait to upgrade it, the more you'll have to spend upgrading it in the long run, if this makes sense.

eg, if you upgrade every year so that it becomes just obsolete for your requirements next year, you may spend 100 upgrading it, but if you make the upgrade so it becomes just obsolete in 2 years, you'll have to spend something like 300 per upgrade.
 
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This is true, and im in a bit of a doubt about this. I need to wieght the drawback by chosing a non HT CPU vs one with HT.



True

However 2x8GB or more can be future proof in the sense that what i by now should be able to last for as long as possible. My current commputer was build to last 3 years. it have now lasted close to 5 and i've only change my graphic card for about 3 years ago.

Looking at the direction most software take is that i uses expensially more memory for each iteration and as such, i think, program would require much more memory in about two years time. But again there are alot of faktors in this.

I could say that i bought a cheaper mobo and a core i5 now with 8gb of memory and plan to opgrade this again in a year or two. to lets say a mobo with ddr4 ram.

Or i could go all out and buy the top of the line of all, and hope it last for 4 years.

However my work and hobbies would benifit of having a core i7 so im leaning towards this core.

In regard to ddr4 i think it will first be avaialble for desktops next year, an i doubt i can make my current system last that long.


 
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If you do the second option, after four years, it will be a pretty bad system, and you'll have to, basically, buy the same system again, and have it last for four years. If you get components so you can upgrade them in a "interleaved way" (GPU one year, CPU+MB+RAM the next) without much bottleneck you'd be able to keep an up to date system, for way less money.
 
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In all my life of buying and building computers I have never bought a system which I have upgraded except for the graphics card. I have never bought a new cpu or more memory. when ever I have reach a point where my computer could no longer keep up. it have always required a completely new hardware. Also my current system its 5 years old, i can still keep up with todays games and as such a finde system. its just old, its starting to fail due to component quality decline ect. ect. its only a mather of time before it gives out completely. And it would make no sense to upgrade this , or seen in another way im upgrading all parts except for grafics and ssd's

so if i would want any form of upgradability right now it would be to buy cheap memory and a cheap mobo and change it next year when DDR4 comes out hoping that they do not change pinout of the CPU.


 
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Well, I guess you're sort of doing what I'm saying, and upgrading the GPU, then CPU MB and RAM, and repeat. In that case, My recommendations will still apply, as the i5 is a good CPU (unless you're doing heavy video editing or rendering), And 2x4 is more than enough to last until you get DDR4. Though it is a good idea to get a decent MB and I'd like to see your current RAM.
 
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My current system is:
Gigabyte Extreme X58 Intel
Core i7 Bloomberg OC 3.8GHz
Intel SSD X25 120GB
Western Digital Volciraptor 300GB HDD
6GB Cosair RAM 3 channels
PowerColor LCS HD6990
 
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3D AutoCad rendering. Heavy on CPU
Reiviera-pre simulation.
Quartus II Synthesis. Heavy on memory.

Umm budget.. there is room for choosing the core i7.


 
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Te rason why i chose these was that I heard that they where good and stable. but they are the only ones i have some information about. So there could easily be better out there.
 
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From what I've seen here, I'd suggest 2x8GB GSkill Tridents in 2400/10, stick with the 4790K, and on the mobo, I'd go the Z97 Hero from Asus, the Z87 was the best of the Z87s and the Z97 is much improved, I'm running both of them (in sig), may have missed it, but what GPU, that will play highly in a PSU pick
 
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Ahh yes GPU forgot to mention that.

I'm keeping my current GFx which is a HD6990 LCS powercolor. I will take a look at the Asus when i get home althoug I've used asus alot a long time ago but got tired of it because it seemed that they could not quit the things to work optimal. but ofc that could have changed since then
 
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Just an update. looks like i followed your suggestion in the end although different mobo. And have gotten the following results and are quite happy. :)

see cpu-z stats after bootup Note i did not do any OC'ing my self this is just the mobo autoclocking.

http://valid.canardpc.com/a5fnu9
 
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