sandy bridge dual core any good?

grrsona

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Im thinking of buying a desktop from a friend,
-it has a sandy bridge dual core cpu
-hd 7750
-4 gigs of ram
1 tera hard drive
shes offering it all to me for about $250, is that a good deal? and will this computer handle gaming very well? I was going to install my own gpu (msi gaming r9 270) will this card work with this computer?
 
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Desktop i3 is a dual core. Desktop i5 is a quad core. Since OP specified dual core, I assume it's an i3 (though it could be a Pentium or Celeron).

As for Sandy Bridge, Intel uses a tick-tock cycle for CPU ugprades. During a tick, they redesign the CPU. During a tock, they shrink its lithography (make it smaller). So a tock CPU is basically the same thing as a tick CPU, it just uses less power because of the smaller lithography.

Sandy Bridge was a tick - second generation Core i design. Ivy Bridge was a tock - Sandy Bridge shrunken down from 32nm lithography to 22nm.

Haswell is a tick - third generation Core i design. Broadwell is a tock - Haswell shrunken down from 22nm to 14nm.

So unless you need something low-power, the fact that Sandy Bridge is nearly "three generations" old shouldn't phase you. The design of the CPU itself is only one generation old, and will be for the next 1.5 years. The main design component that's improved during a tock is the integrated GPU. And that doesn't matter if you're going to use your own dedicated GPU.

(By the same token, there's not much to be gained by upgrading to an Ivy Bridge CPU, even though the motherboard probably supports it. What might be interesting is replacing the i3 with a Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge i5 or i7. You can probably find those fairly cheaply on eBay, and should give an approx 2x or more increase in performance.)
 

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yes it comes with a case, im checking on processor. How good will it be for gaming? nothing serious. could it last me a few years?
and if it was that vs:
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
-AMD Phenom Quad-Core CPU
-Nvidia GeForce GT 620 1GB dedicated (+1.8GB System Graphics = 2.8GB total graphics memory)
-4GB Memory RAM
-500GB hard drive
-DVD R-DL Multi-recordable LightScribe for about $300 wich is better for gaming in general? and with the second one would I still need to install the r9 270?
 

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thankyou, but without the upgrade it has minimal gaming capacity? how would it compare to the stats I listed below?
 

Well, I think an i3 is fine for most gaming purposes, but I'm not a hardcore gamer. I'm just saying you should check prices for a used i5 or i7 that the motherboard supoprts. If it's reasonable, that could be an upgrade path if you're disappointed with the speed of the i3.

From what I understand, there aren't that many games which make extensive use of multiple cores. BF4, Guild Wars 2 are the ones I hear most about being CPU-limited. The vast majority of games are still GPU-limited. So my gut instinct is that the i3 shouldn't be too much of a handicap. But again, I'm not a hardcore gamer.

In terms of components, a WIn 7 license is about $70 for Home Premium, a 1 TB HDD about $40-$60 used, 4 GB of RAM about $30-$45 (depending on if it's one stick or two), and the CPU probably around $50-$70. Add in the motherboard, case, PSU, optical drive, and keyboard/mouse and it seems like a pretty good deal for $250 (not including the HD 7750 since you're going to dump it). Your trepidation seems to be whether the CPU is powerful enough. I'm just pointing out that can most likely be upgraded. You can make back part of the cost by selling the i3 on eBay.

Edit: The AMD Phenom II quad performs about the same as an i3. Better for multi-threaded tasks, worse for single-threaded tasks.
 
The Sandy Bridge i3s aren't amazing anymore, but still enough to hold up alongside mid-range video cards such as the R9 270. Hyperthreading helps i3s dramatically in all games that can use 4 threads; it's the i7s that don't benefit from it (due to not needing the extra threads).

However, Pentiums are also dual cores. And although the brand new Pentiums can offer acceptable performance, they do not hold their age well, and any Sandy Bridge Pentium is going to bottleneck an R9 270.

The AMD Phenoms, however, are getting very weak. Only the Phenom IIs offer acceptable performance (if overclocked), while the original Phenoms are dead. The GT 620 is weaker than the HD 7750. Overall the Phenom PC you listed is much weaker than the first one.
 


I am more betting money this was a Celeron G530 or so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge and
ABSOLUTELY NOT A GOOD DEAL. Sandy bridge means the RAM is DDR2, which hasn't been made for years, besides a hell alot slower. Running SATA, maybe SATA II not current SATA III, which means a much smaller pipe of DATA to pull from the 1TB. Even if you tossed in a R9 270, the slot it fits in is much lower end old tech that the R9 270 wouldn't even be running at full 'speed' or potential because the I/O bus isn't capable to even handle it.

Honestly, if you want a PC gaming, you need to spend at least $1000 on a desktop to get the "I saw it on youtube" type performance (1080p High graphics 50FPS) on things like WatchDogs, COD:AW, etc. that are out / coming out. The only way to 'go cheaper' is PS4, as many of the titles can perform the 'same as PC' (AC Unity for example 1080P High 60FPS garunteed by the maker!). It all comes down to how much your willing to spend.

If you want to game on PC it is PAY TO PLAY. If you can't afford it, then stick to console.

 


Oh, yeah right. Like AC Unity will ever hit 1080p 60 fps at launch. No way. It uses parts of the same engine as Watch Dogs (which they also originally said would run ultra settings, 1080p/60 fps), yet Watchdogs was downgraded to high settings, 30 fps, 900p.

Console developers have been lying through their teeth this whole generation. Even the games that they claim run at 60 fps really don't; you can feel noticeable and sometimes severe drops while playing. Some, like Warframe (the game where my GTX 750 Ti keeps a rock solid 60 fps, ultra, 1080p), run down to 25 fps at times on the PS4, medium-high settings. Just play it in a thickly populated room and you'll see how the PS4's CPU suffers.

My GTX 750 Ti so far has outperformed every PS4 game in the multiplats, and this is a $700 PC.
 


I would like to chime in something said here to better CLARIFY and QUANTIFY what was said so the OP and anyone else reading can better grasp this MISSPOKEN wordage. I often hear the same argument about "there aren't ...games..use of multiple cores" and this is say in a blanket sort of statement which I think it is VERY POORLY WORDED AND VERY MISLEADING, because it comes from the endless AMD vs Intel flame wars.

To clarify for EVERYONE: When they 'code' the programs (web browser, games, etc.) they 'code' to the largest market, which means the 'most people we can sell this too'. To do that they still code in "single-thread tasks". That means STAND IN A LINE.

CODE A, CODE B, CODE C, CODE D, etc. stand exactly like this in a line to wait their turn to be processed.

Code A, CODE E \
Code B, CODE F > Mutithread meaning multiple LINES are being run at the same exact time
Code C, CODE G / means more CODE is getting a turn
Code D, CODE H /

AMD tried to do the 'mulitthread' by making multiple CORES, each core waits for ONE line (thread) of code to be passed to it,
Microsoft Office, Internet Explorer, etc. all are SINGLE thread programs, so while there is multiple lines, they ONLY go to one line.

Code A, Code B, Code C \
------ Empty Line ----- >
------ Empty Line ----- /
------ Empty Line ----- /

Intel decided with Hyper Threading (HT) to do it different.

CODE A, CODE B, CODE C, CODE D > HT -- CODE A --->Core 1
\= Code B ---->Virtual Core 2 in Core 1
\-- CODE C --->Core 3
\= Code D ---->Virtual Core 4 in Core 3

IF all the 'Programmers' made the 'code' run in Multithread (like the super expensive software like CAD, MAYA, etc.) then AMD 'true' cores would work alot better then Intet HT Cores. But all Programmers still code things in SingleThread, so AMD suffers in performance, and 'Intel' performs 2 times better for HALF the physical hardware installed.
 


That's actually oversimplified as well.

You neglected too mention that newer AMD CPUs share FPUs and cache between pairs of cores, within modules, allowing true multithreading only up to 50%. The FX-6300 can use 3 cores fully, the FFX-8320 or above can use 4 cores fully. After that, the cores are forced to stop alternating modules, and the performance improvements of the extra cores dump off. Latency rises as cache is consumed by 2 cores rather than one, FPUs are shared and wait their turn, and as a result the speed return of AMD CPUs going multithreaded is much less than it would be if they used a more expensive architecture.
 

The G530 uses an 1155 socket, so can be upgraded to a Sandy/Ivy bridge i3, i5, i7 on the vast majority of motherboards for considerably less than the $750 price difference between this $250 system and the $1000 system you propose. As I explained, the CPU design is just one generation old, so performance won't be that much worse than current Haswell or newer Broadwell CPUs.

DDR2 hasn't been used since the Core 2 Duo. All the Core i processors use DDR3.

Most Sandy Bridge motherboards came with 2 SATA3 ports, 4 SATA2 ports (I know because my NAS/virtual machine server is Sandy Bridge with a SSD, and pretty much everything I looked at could take a SATA3 SSD - the 2x SATA3 ports were provided by the Intel chipset). A 1 TB HDD will not even saturate SATA1 since they max out at around 120-140 MB/s. If the motherboard has just SATA2 ports and not SATA3, it will only be an issue if he adds a SSD.

Most Sandy Bridge-era motherbaords (2010) use PCIe 2.0 or 2.1 and have x16 slots, which should be plenty for a modern video card. The whole point of a dedicated video card is to operate independently of the system's main memory so it doesn't have to pull data across the PCIe bus. A single PCIe 2.0 lane is 500 MB/s. x16 will put that at 8 GB/s, which is nearly as fast as system RAM can provide it (why GPUs use faster DDR5 VRAM). It's not going to slow down the system.

Honestly, if you want a PC gaming, you need to spend at least $1000 on a desktop to get the "I saw it on youtube" type performance (1080p High graphics 50FPS) on things like WatchDogs, COD:AW, etc. that are out / coming out. The only way to 'go cheaper' is PS4, as many of the titles can perform the 'same as PC' (AC Unity for example 1080P High 60FPS garunteed by the maker!). It all comes down to how much your willing to spend.
The price/performance curve takes a very steep turn upwards beyond about $500. I'm not a hardcore gamer anymore, but I used to be. I think back on all the money I wasted on $2000-$3000 systems which were outclassed by a $700 system from Walmart in 12 months, and I want to cry. If you have lots of money, then by all means feel free to splurge. Being older and wiser now, I take a more long-term approach to computer purchases and aim for the $400-$800 price point even though I now have lots of money. I think OP is taking absolutely the right approach pairing a low-cost system with a high-end GPU while being careful to make sure he's not CPU-limited. That's the best way to get the most bang for your buck IMHO.
 


Well first off it isn't just "me" spouting off, I have citation to back it up.
http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_Native_Resolutions_and_Framerates
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-last-of-us-ps4-at-60fps-is-a-transformative-experience-dev-says/1100-6420815/
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/report-assassin-s-creed-unity-targeting-1080p-60fps-on-ps4-and-xbox-one/1100-6420580/

As for Warframe http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Warframe-Coming-PS4-1080p-Free-Play-56392.html
I seen plenty of games drop rates down in "thickly populated' scenarios (Helo Rocket Pod just on your player for example).
As for the GTX 750TI, I think highly of that card too, but honestly when you get scores like this
http://www.maximumpc.com/GTX_750ti_Benchmarks_2014?page=0,1 even with a i7 Haswell, it still proves the old addage from NVidia: if it is below a X60 (660, 760, 860) then it is BELOW gaming standards. Maybe Warframe is really optimized for it, I don't know, all I do know is the titles I want to play, well.... I am sticking with my 670m for a while longer. Hell I was surprised by this weekend's FREE PLAY how well COD:Ghosts MP plays on my old beast, even at 1080p!
 


1. Like I said, developers have been caught lying so many times it's irrelevant. They said the same thing about Watch Dogs and AC4, then they cut both of them heavily.

2. That Warframe article was before launch.They aim for 60 fps, but they practically never hit it. Anyone can see that in gameplay.

3. The GTX 750 Ti is actually quicker than the 670m.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-750-Ti-vs-GeForce-GTX-670M
They show more real-world benchmarks at the bottom.

Not sure what framerate you get in Cod Ghosts, but I'm running ultra, 1080p, average 50 fps, multiplayer. Those benchmarks you listed are ofc wrong.

Your benchmark puts the GTX 750 Ti at 17 fps in Tomb Raider, yet this one puts it at 50 fps on ultra, as an example.
http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=9197&admin=0a8fcaad6b03da6a6895d1ada2e171002a287bc1




 
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Thanks for all the help. Now I think I found a better deal then sandy bridge especially since sandy is basically obsolete in a few months. I found a
Case: Silver antec case
Power supply: Antec earthwatts 650w
Mother board: Intel DQ45CB
Processor: Intel q9550 2.83ghz
Memory: 6GB ddr2
Video card: SAPPHIRE DUAL-X R9 270X 2GB GDDR5 OC WITH BOOST
Hard drive: 150gb WD 1500 rpm "raptor" for operating system and programs, a 1tb drive for storage
Optical drive: DVD RW
system that looks pretty good. Howver I don't know much about cpus, how long until this is obsolete? It has a more recent gpu which is good, but how long until the cpu is obsolete? I definitely want a few solid years of gaming. nothing hardcore though.
 


The CPU is actually not really any stronger than a sandy bridge i3. The Q9550 is significantly older, It's weaker in single core performance and just a tiny hair stronger in multithreaded performance. Benchmarks below show the Q9550 winning slightly in Passmark, but losing in 3Dmark, and trading blows in Geekbench.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core2-Quad-Q9550-vs-Intel-Core-i3-2120

DDR2 is already out of date, whereas if I remember correctly all Sandy Bridge CPUs ran DDR3.
Tbh, you'd have to replace the Q9550 just as soon as a Sandy Bridge i3, and replacing the Q9550 would also call for a motherboard and RAM replacement.