Computer starting up then shutting down, only to boot up again...

blackfonzy32 · Aug 31, 2014

Ok, I have had my rig for quite some time now, roughly 8 months, and everything works fine. However, every time I unlock or overclock my FX-6300 to any freq. the thing will reboot like normal and operate fine, but when I press the power button it boots up for a brief moment (5-10 seconds) and then shut off for 2 seconds then boot right back up like normal. I have no idea what could cause this...I have turned APM, Cool n' Quiet, C1E, and Turbo off as well as unlocking the cpu itself. I have not touched any voltage settings...

Darkbreeze · Aug 31, 2014

Ah crap, here we go again. Ok, so I'm going to try and help you but please promise to at least listen, which the last guy didn't want to do. What is your PSU brand and model number? And in case you are resistant to the idea of the power supply being the issue, which it's possible it's not but it's the most common reason people have problems with otherwise standard overclocks, please read the following two articles so you'll understand why.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-psu-review,2916.html

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/how_pick_right_power_supply

and finally, see if you can find your psu on the following list, if not or if it's on tier 4 or 5, there's a high probability of it being the sole cause of many if not all of your issues.

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-supply-unit-tier-list.html

blackfonzy32 · Aug 31, 2014

Darkbreeze :

welp, seems like the wattage isn't the only thing that counts when picking out a power supply is it? I currently have a coolmax zu something 800w and everything coolmax it seems blows chunks haha. Thank you for the reply but I have another question or two. Could this be a cause for some jittering in games i play like skyrim and mafia 2? Because looking online im performing waaaaaayyyyy below spec for my hardware (besides the power supply of course...) And my second question, is it really safe to be using my computer with this crap power supply or should i just leave it condemned until I get the money to replace this hunk of shit?

Darkbreeze · Aug 31, 2014

Honestly, I would not use it until you get another PSU considering the issues you are having indicates the possibility of the PSU already displaying voltage issues. Too much stress and it could take a shit and take your hardware with it. Is that a certainty, no. Is it possible, highly. What is the brand and model of your GPU card? I'll recommend a PSU for you that will be reliable, within whatever budget you need to stay with and able to supply sufficient power for your system.

blackfonzy32 · Aug 31, 2014

I am using a Gigabyte Windforce GTX 760 4GB and I would like for it to stay within $120 but that's probably not possible. As for the rest of my rig I have a Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3, 8GB Mushkin Blackline @ 1600MHz, standard 1 TB hard drive, and a 120GB ssd for my boot drive and Skyrim (which sadly i cant play atm...) Thank you again for your help, it means a lot to me

edit: btw, I looked at the unit tier list and have found the corsair tx850 v2 for sale for 90 bucks, is that a good power supply or do you have something better in mind?

Darkbreeze · Aug 31, 2014

Yep, something better in mind. Hold that thought.

Darkbreeze · Aug 31, 2014

This is a really good unit for the price, but it's not modular. XFX power supplies are made by Seasonic so there is no doubt they're quality units.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Power Supply: XFX 850W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $69.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-31 15:02 EDT-0400

Or, for a little bit more, but still on the budget side of things, is this semi-modular EVGA unti:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($83.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $83.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-31 15:07 EDT-0400

Personally, if you don't care about the cable management features of the modular unit, I'd go with the XFX and save a few bucks.

blackfonzy32 · Aug 31, 2014

I think I will order the XFX one however unfortunately, I don't exactly have all of the money to buy the unit yet so that mail-in rebate won't exactly benefit me xD. Thank you for your help but was actually wondering, could my system have been damaged by this power supply already since I've had this rig for 8 months? Once I get this new power supply how do i test my hardware to make sure nothing was damaged? Sorry for all of the non-stop questions it's just I am very cautious about things like this especially when you add up the cost for all of this shit haha.

Darkbreeze · Sep 1, 2014

You should be fine. If there was a serious issue, you would know already.

blackfonzy32 · Dec 9, 2014

Darkbreeze :

Alright, I sorta kinda went against your recommendation and bought a rosewill capstone 650w psu (it was in the same tier as the one you recommended so i figured it was good and the sale didn't hurt either), it runs perfectly, flawless so far, however it does not pass my ultimate trial by fire, a simple overclock, it runs at the freq. i want, however the boot up then off then on again is still going on, could this not have been entirely my previous power supply's fault or did i just so happen to buy the one of the few higher tier power supplies with "voltage issues"? It is also modular btw which I am not sure could also be giving me problems but I can't think of anything else that could be causing a problem.

Darkbreeze · Dec 10, 2014

Nah, I doubt it's the PSU since you're experiencing the same issue. This appears to be a recurrent issue with the Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 as seen here. Perhaps this other thread will help you get it straightened out as I really don't want to go through it all over again. I think it will truly help though. If not, we'll try other options but you're not the only one experiencing this problem on that board when overclocking.

Gigabyte says it's normal, but, ya know, F them. It's not. I've never seen any other board do it under similar circumstances and not be resolvable with a setting or BIOS update. Do you have the most recent BIOS installed, not that it will stop the issue, because it won't, but it's still a good idea.

Did replacing the PSU solve the other issues you outlined at least in your first and second post above? The jittering and other crap? Anyhow, here's that link:

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2405932/frequency-prime-runs-8320.html

blackfonzy32 · Dec 10, 2014

Darkbreeze :

Well, actually some jittering may have been cured but I'm not too sure, it might be a placebo. My main issue i guess was that other game I used, Mafia 2, which uses physx. And for some reason my card takes a poop whenever physx is turned on in-game. I did, since i made the last post happen to find an overclock setting that didn't do the boot scenario (I think it was at 4.2 at 1.33 ish) which was cool but in prime the last two workers crapped out after a few minutes, which I promptly looked up and found that this was grounds for increasing the voltage a bit as that's a usual sign that you're close to stability, but after I changed the voltage up by one notch, it did the boot thing, back into the bios, back down a notch to what I just had a minute ago and...boot problem

Darkbreeze · Dec 10, 2014

So, did you take a look at the settings I outlined in that other discussion? Disable advanced power management? Turn off core performance boost and did you assign the correct xmp profile or at the least make sure to manually input all the correct specs for your memory module settings including speed, timings and voltage?

blackfonzy32 · Dec 10, 2014

Darkbreeze :

You know what, i forgot to take a test with the apm and yes on the ram part but, for some reason, my ram is supposed to be 1600mhz but the default has it set to 1333mhz for some reason and the xmp profile1 sets it to 1600mhz, idk but I will make sure all the settings match the specs on my ram, I will test without the apm on later today but otherwise I haven't touched the bios since last night (I got a nasty cold atm)

Darkbreeze · Dec 10, 2014

Eee, I hate that crap. Colds I mean. I feel for ya. Well, let me know, I think disabling the APM will stop the boot issue. By the way, you might want to edit your previous posts that say bootF(*& as any mods that come along are likely to just rip the entire thread out for it. They don't appreciate ANY questionable language around here, beyond maybe crap or similar. Anyhow, if it doesn't, the boot, reboot issue is apparently NOT a big deal, even though that's something you usually encounter when the RAM settings are off and the system is rebooting with failsafe RAM settings for stability. On this board though I've seen several issues with it that were not related to the RAM but apparently were also not a problem according to GB.

blackfonzy32 · Dec 10, 2014

Final question(s), I got her to 4.2 ghz at 1.332v, idles at 30C and maxes out in prime at 59C...
1. Is it safe to let it get that hot?
2. Last two workers keep stopping after a few minutes (rounding was 0.5 expected less than 0.4)
3. decided to leave alone the boot scenario since Gigabyte says iz aight (I dont hesitate to give them all my money)

Darkbreeze · Dec 10, 2014

If the max temp was 59C for either core or package temp, it's fine. I wouldn't want it going any higher though. How long did it run before it got that hot. Minimum of ten minutes is what I run at small FFT's in Prime to verify thermals. If you have workers stopping, there is a stability issue. Workers should not stop, ever, for any reason. That's an error out when they stop. Either drop the multi or increase the voltage, or both. It could be a problem with the CPU itself, but that's far less likely. To verify, you might want to return the cpu to completely stock settings and run prime for 24hrs to see if you still have a worker problem.

As for the boot sequence, even though they say it's fine, I don't like it and have gotten it to stop on other rigs by disabling APM, which really isn't needed if you're manually overclocking anyhow.

blackfonzy32 · Jan 15, 2015

Just a quick update, I have recently ditched my old hyper 212 and in its place, I have added an H100i, I've gotten a stable overclock of 4.6GHz and I might go higher, and with that freq. I'm getting temps of 43C. No failed workers, no throttling, and idles at a cozy 7C

Darkbreeze · Jan 15, 2015

Nice. Still having the boot sequence issue? If so did you try disabling the Advanced power management setting in the BIOS? Just a thought. If all is well, good luck.

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