Is it Bottleneck?? Lag spikes in every game.

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Helllo guys. I've just recently upgraded my rig to Sabertooth z97 MK1, 4670k and 8gb RAM. I tried to run games like Skyrim and it is lagging even in Menu. Well, I'm using this low end GPU GT 240. Is this what bottleneck means?

I used to play Skyrim for 4hours in my old rig before it begins to lag.
Here's my old rig:
ECS Elitegroup MoBo
Intel E2180
1 GB Ram
same GPU stated above.

That's right, that shit rig runs skyrim.

 
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It's lagging because it's a GT 240. GT 240 is a really low end card and it is not suitable for gaming.
Bottlenecking means that the CPU is too weak to fully utilize the GPU.The 4670K is powerful enough for a GTX 780 Ti,so there's no way that it can bottleneck the GT 240.
The parts you've bought are high-end,while the GPU is the lowest end possible.I would suggest getting a new PSU and a new GPU that will match your new components.
Antec HCG 620W for your PSU and an XFX R9 280X Double D for your GPU.
Hope this helps.
 
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a bottleneck means the weakest part in your rig that limits the optimal performance /usually it's the hard drive, then cpu and lastly the gpu/.
in this case it is the GPU - i'd consider a upgrade to 750ti - it has about the same power draw /so you don't need to fiddle with your psu/ but perfomance wise it is in a way different league. also it should cost about $120-150 - so it's not that expensive...
 
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What I don't understand is why Skyrim runs fine on my old rig with the same GPU? It will only start lagging after 3-4hrs of gameplay. Why do you think is that?

I know what high end and low end component means. I'm about to get a new GPU next month. I got my eyes on 560 ti and 750ti. And if I can push my budget, I would go for 660.
 
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Which PSU are you using? Have you monitored your GPU temps to see if it's over heating?
 
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If you can push your budget and your PSU can handle it, get the R9 270. It's cheaper and faster.
 
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Is R9 270 faster than 660? I don't have quality psu since cooler master or corsair is not available in my place (3rd world country problem lol). I am currently using Huntkey APFC Max600W.

What program should I use to monitor GPU temp? Should I install thermal radar?

I am really worried right now. I don't really know what is causing the problem. I just bougth the MoBo, CPU, RAM and PSU just 3 days ago.

I do really wish it is the GPU that causing the problem. I haven't tried using the integrated card of the CPU since sabertooth doesn't support VGA.

What really confuses me is why I'm not experiencing lag spikes before the upgrade? t(-_-)t

 
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A bottleneck is where a CPU is to slow for the GPU. This is like the CPU saying "Hey man, slow down", the CPU isn't fast enough to process all the info that the GPU is giving so the CPU and it's not going to be used to its full potential. You have a i7-4670k so you don't have to worry about a bottleneck with that low end of a card.
The CPU will never be brought down due to the GPU being to slow.

It might just be that Skyrim doesn't like your hardware..? Maybe check to make sure you have the latest drivers and that Skyrim is updated? There's many reasons why a game would be lagging
 
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Well I'm having a lag spikes in every games not just Skyrim. I updated all my drivers to the latest too. I was thinking updating the BIOS but it is risky. I haven't done it yet and I don't wanna brick my MoBo. What else should I try?
 
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when do the lag spikes occur and how long are they? are they cyclical in nature or completely random?
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- it lags when new area and or/new mobs/npcs/player enter the scene. the lags usually last few seconds max...
- it lags after a while, when playing resource heavy games - and it lasts forever...
- it lags every 20 seconds for a second or two, then it stops, and after 20 seconds it lags again...
 
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Did you do a reformat (if didn't change the hard drive). You should try doing it then install all the new drivers.
Playing Skyrim (at lowest/med settings) shouldn't be a problem with your GT240 (with a 720p monitor of course).

The software (OS, drivers etc.) might have problems adapting with your all-out hardware changes!!!
Though I do recommend purchasing a better graphics card (if you plan to do so).
 
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hmms... you're sure you use the dedicated gpu, not the integrated one? could it be that you were in a hurry and mistakenly used the wrong port?

if you are indeed using the gf240, then I'd start looking for crapware that comes bundled with your drivers /and/or any other crap you might have gotten from the internet/ - it can slow down your pc a lot, especially if your games are stored on your system hdd...
 
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Yes, I did reformat the drive and clean install the OS which is Win 8.1 64bit. I'm pretty sure I'm using the dedicated gpu port, I can't be wrong on that one since Sabertooth don't supports VGA. And if I remember correctly, the monitor won't even turned on if you connected it to integrated card while the dedicated card is plugged in, right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

About the drivers, the only driver I have installed are the one for GPU (the latest) and those drivers from Asus website. I'm using two HDDs, one for systems and one for storage (games,music,etc).

I even tried to play some old games like Max Payne 1 and 2 and they are lagging lol.
 
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Never heard of that PSU and I doubt it can be capable of outputting the wattage stated. Depending on your budget if you can get a new quality 550W PSU then great, however if you can't stick with the 750ti since it's a low powered card.
 
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Completely agree with you about the PSU, maybe the PSU can support it but probably not in the long run. The only reason I accepted to buy it is because I need to use the system as soon as possible because of college (need Autocad on making floorplans, DEADLINE is coming lol). For now, I don't think I can afford to buy a new PSU.

Does any of these GPU still supports VGA? GT560ti, GT750ti, GT660 and R9 270x. About the 750ti, do you think it can run today's game? Like the upcoming GTAV? Not asking for Ultra but Between High and Medium is enough.
 
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The 750ti should play games around med- high settings.

None of those GPUs directly have a VGA port, but there's an easy work around for that. Just buy a DVI to VGA adapter.
 
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I'll get the adapter tomorrow and try it.

Anyway I just did a memtest to see if RAM is faulty, RAM is good. Is there anyway to check if all core of CPU is working?

Edit:

Does using a blower to clean GPU is a good idea? Because I did that when I was assembling the PC. I even remove the fan and blow the hell out of it. Do you think I damaged it?
 
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Back on to temps since it seems I didn't see your post earlier... use HW monitor and report back your findings for the temps you have while gaming and while idle.

There's a low chance you damaged your graphics card while blowing it with compressed air.
 
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