On the brink of a new generation of computers...

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I posted recently about a solid gaming rig for about $1500 ( http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DCvpQ7 ) a setup I have been considering bringing to life and researching for a solid 2 years. Now though, we are on the verge of the new X99 platform, as well as everything that comes with it, including the switch to DDR4 RAM. I feel rather stuck, as the cpu I was planning to buy, the i7 4790k, is about to be replaced by the Haswell-E i7 5820K. Nvidia is rumored to release there Maxwell or 800 series GPUs soon as well. I don't want to pour $1500 into this PC i had decided to build ( http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DCvpQ7 ) when a whole new generation of products are on the brink of releasing. I need advice and anyones thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
 
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I would jump all over getting a 4000 series at half off. The 4930k gets the job done just fine though for multi-tasking. I only do light video editing programs such as Elgato right now. I was using other programs at first, but this one works fine for what I need at this time. But it is nice to have the extra power in the system between the RAM, CPU, and GPU...as well as the multiple hard drives to be able to record a game to one hard drive while uploading the other hard drive videos to the internet and the game itself along with the recording software and OS is on the SSD. The extra cores and RAM help drive all of that while flipping between the programs and a few other windows instantly.

Either way, I would definitely not recommend...

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Honestly I purchased the parts and built my PC back in December because there will always be something newer and better coming out...and using that logic I could be dead before I actual get to enjoy my PC. Of course I am in bad health and such, so that factored in a bit, but I still hold to it. Besides, if I did decide to wait for the next generation, then I would probably want to wait for some of the kinks to be worked out and prices to fall/stabilize a bit before investing.

All of the little improvements that happen within a few years of the next generation are great...and like I said, if you keep waiting for the next generation...then you will be waiting forever. Get whatever you want though, as only you can say what works best for you.

As a side note, I spent $3,000 on a beast machine that had everything I wanted. Sure it was more than I would have like to spend...but with my poor health and such...better to be happy (my wife put her foot down and wrangled me into going ahead and doing the build too). I would absolutely love to have DDR4 and the new generation...and I may actually be able to build a $1,000 - $1,500 PC for my wife in a year or two (if she ends up actually wanting one - still deciding). So in that case she would get the next generation (but mine would still be better...lol).
 

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Yes that is good advice, I know there is always going to be better stuff, but it just seems with the new motherboards and ddr4 ram this is going to be a rather important upgrade cycle and the future of pcs for the next 3-4 years, and I wouldnt want to miss out on this generation.

 

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Yes that is true, it just seems like this could be a big upgrade and the future for the next few years, as lga 2011 fades away
 

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Also remember the tick/tock cycle. Parts get smaller then parts get improvements. So more than likely 2016 is when we will see a drastic improvement on what is going to be released for the next generation. And honestly, I am expecting to end up needing to replace my system sometime around 2020 with a GPU and RAM upgrade in the meantime.
 

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yeah that is true. What is your build? Have you heard anything about the next gen of AMD video cards?
 

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4790k is going to be tough to beat for gaming (and a good portion of number crunching) for a long time on a dollars to doughnuts ratio, ddr3s speed/timing relationship is better than dd4s for at least a year. unless you require massive explicit multithreaded output on your cpu, otherworldy ram throughput(not quickness) and are living somewhere in the world that punishes having ram voltages over 1.25v by penalty of death, youd be dumb to spend that money on a gen 5 intel setup.
hedged bet would be get a i5 4690k ddr3 setup for <$999 RIGHT NOW, save for a futureproof* gen 5 i7 ddr4 setup in 18 months.
but if you only game, get an i5 and better gpu/screens. really, you're pissing your money away unless you crunch numbers professionally,

*edit meaning earliest reliable time to get onboard a new architecture to not get gouged by price + take advantage of bold aftermarket products
 

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True thanks for the info. I definitely do benefit from an i7 though for rendering and multi tasking performance. I guess I will most likely stick to my original build plan.
 

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i7 - 4930k
16 GB DDR3 @ 1866 MHz
EVGA GTX 780 Ti SC ACX
ASUS Rampage IV Black Edition MoBo
Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 1200 Watt PSU
500 GB SSD
2 x 3 TB 7200 RPM HDD
LG 3D Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Reader/Writer
and of course mechanical keyboard and gaming mouse.
Might have missed something else...but that stuff is what really matters...lol.


I just heard about AMD releasing a card recently but it just fit in with current offerings and was not really spectacular in any way. I don't know when they plan on pushing the CPU/GPU further...maybe they are waiting to see what Intel and NVidia do. Unfortunately though for AMD is seems like Intel is planning on pushing out CPUs that have a higher clock rate than they were doing before...and has been a bit of complaint leveled against them when being compared to AMD CPUs. Unless AMD can really push out CPUs that have 5 GHz standard clock before overclocking for this next generation...or at least offer plenty of products that are improvements on their 8350s for similar prices, more people might actually switch to Intel.

It looks like AMD is probably going to gain some ground in GPUs though for this next generation because so far NVidia has not teased anything that seems decent enough for the money yet. Sure there already is a premium for NVidia products and the support/drivers is good. I prefer NVidia myself...but more than likely AMD will heavily undercut them price/performance this next generation if things keep going the way they already are.
 

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Yes, very true about AMD. Nice build as well. I like the r9 290 just as far as great price to performance. I would like to splurge and get a 6 core 4000 series intel processor, as the rendering and editing would just become that much easier, but I don't know if its in my budget. I can get on for %50 off ( friend works at intel) but im not sure.
 

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I would jump all over getting a 4000 series at half off. The 4930k gets the job done just fine though for multi-tasking. I only do light video editing programs such as Elgato right now. I was using other programs at first, but this one works fine for what I need at this time. But it is nice to have the extra power in the system between the RAM, CPU, and GPU...as well as the multiple hard drives to be able to record a game to one hard drive while uploading the other hard drive videos to the internet and the game itself along with the recording software and OS is on the SSD. The extra cores and RAM help drive all of that while flipping between the programs and a few other windows instantly.

Either way, I would definitely not recommend getting less than 4 cores if going Intel, and no less than 8 cores going AMD. People love to say that games don't use more than 2 cores...but there are some programmed to use 4 cores right now. And Windows will automatically shift program usage between cores if you have more...so that helps in most cases. And who knows how many cores games will use in the next 4 - 5 years. More than likely 4 core systems will become the standard and 6 cores will be the current 4 cores. So 8 - 10 core systems will be the higher end ones.
 
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