Major DSL Issues possibly coming from router

Allen S

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Details:

ISP: AT&T
DSL Modem: Motorola 3360
Router: NETGEAR WNDR3400
Extender: Netgear WN3000RP (been turned off most of the day in order to isolate issue)
Devices on Network at any given time: 5
Desktop: Running Windows 7 SP1

Setup: In an effort to make understanding easier, just please follow the link below. This is what I configured our modem/router to be this morning and it worked most of the day, but it just went down again...
http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB401764&cv=801

Background: So we've had this issue for the longest time now with our DSL connection just randomly dropping. At first is was because we lived at the far edges of the DSL line, but now we are well within the area that AT&T DSL goes, but we are still a far way (9994 feet according to ipconfig /all) from the box. Anyway, lately, we have had some very severe issues with our connection. When it drops, Windows troubleshooting always gives a different reason why. From DNS not responding (using Google DNS here) to IP Helper not working correctly.

I called up AT&T and after disconnecting the router so we could access the modem configuration page we discovered that the issue was that our username on the modem had mysteriously changed to some generic AT&T username (attreg@att.com). We changed it back and boom...internet. We hooked it back up to the router with no issues. The internet was up for about another hour and then it failed again. This time for no reason. Username remained correct and everything else was fine in the modem configuration page (after redisconnecting the router) but it. just. wasn't. working...After a few hours the internet came back as suddenly as it left.

The way I've been fixing it is as follows:

Disconnect Router completely from network and connecting desktop straight to modem via ethernet cable.
Turn off Desktop and Modem for 30 seconds each
Turn on modem and press reset for 30 seconds to factory reset it
Turn on computer
Open Chrome where I am taken to the Modem config page (not routerlogin)
Go through the whole process of activating the DSL through the AT&T High Speed Internet setup
And we have internet, but only on the desktop since the router has been disconnected (it's how I am posting this right now)

I've followed these steps twice now and it has worked twice. Both the modem and router to get quite hot when used for extended periods of time.

I am convinced at this point that the router and the modem are "disagreeing" with each other or there is some sort of conflict in the settings. I have no idea what to do at this point. The AT&T techs aren't the most helpful. They usually just do some line tests and say it's all good then they leave. I would appreciate any and all help provided.

Thanks
 
Solution
According to the att.com link you provided, your modem should have been placed in bridge mode. That means the PPPoE is handled by the router, not the modem. The username and password for PPPoE should be entered into the router. Each time you factory reset the modem, you are taking it out of bridge mode.

So you'll actually need to go back to the link and follow those instructions to reconfigure the bridge mode settings on the modem.
http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB401764&cv=801

And, you need to verify that your router is actually handling PPPoE.

BuddhaSkoota

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According to the att.com link you provided, your modem should have been placed in bridge mode. That means the PPPoE is handled by the router, not the modem. The username and password for PPPoE should be entered into the router. Each time you factory reset the modem, you are taking it out of bridge mode.

So you'll actually need to go back to the link and follow those instructions to reconfigure the bridge mode settings on the modem.
http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB401764&cv=801

And, you need to verify that your router is actually handling PPPoE.
 
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Yeah, the modem is back into bridged mode, but I'm not to sure how to check if the router is handling PPPoE. The only place I can see in the router settings page is under the IPv6 tab. It was disabled when I opened the tab, but I set it to PPPoE and added our ISP credentials.

 

BuddhaSkoota

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Under the Router Status section, there is a Connection Status button that will allow you to check the PPPoE status. All sections should indicate "OK".

If the router has been assigned a public IP address, then you should have a properly configured network connection.
 

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Yeah, it indicates the connection type is PPPoE. I do not know how to check if we have a public IP or a private IP in the Netgear configuration page though.
 

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To add to this, I think I may have discovered the issue. I tried pinging Google and it failed, so it was a dns issue. I then ran ipconfig and discovered that we had no default gateway or a Connection-specific DNS. So our network was missing a dhcp server. It just so happens that the router is the dhcp server. I disconnected the router, reset the modem (to get it back into non-bridged mode). Got internet back.
 

BuddhaSkoota

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I feel you may continue to experience issues unless the modem is bridged.

LAN DHCP may have been disabled or improperly configured on the router, which may be easy to fix.

Hopefully you did indeed manage to fix the issue and your connection remains stable from this point.
 

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Whenever the router is connected to the modem, it is in bridged mode, or it won't work.

What's more interesting is the setup of LAN DHCP. I'm not the one who sets up the router, my brother usually does it. I factory reset the router as a last hoorah. I believe it is just going out since now whenever i plug it in, i can't connect to the internet whether it's been factory reset or not. On the factory reset I put in the credentials and saved it, also making sure the connection type was PPPoE. Still nothing. Windows was just telling me to check the modem or router. I was going to try to buy a new router, but the same kind to see if it is our current router going out or something more than that. The router in our house gets extensively used 18 hours a day so it gets incredibly hot. A router going out wouldn't be surprising.

I should mention that on the factory reset of the router, I followed AT&T's site on setting up nonATT routers with an att modem
http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB401764&cv=801#fbid=bK0CCnttklD