"Normal/Safe" CPU temps and volts for macbook laptop?

ttjambe

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I searched around online and in this forum but haven't really confirmed or denied any of my doubts. I know the phrase "I'm worried my laptop is overheating" comes up a lot and I've crossed out the usual suspects. The laptop is 4 days old and has no dust or anything blocking the fan/intakes. I have a mid 2014 macbook pro: Relevant Specs:
I7-4870HQ at 2.5 GHz
GT 750m
I've noticed that the core voltage is consistently at 1.8 V and goes even higher under load. The temps are around 60-70 watching youtube, but can get up to 99 under load (Cinebench, CPU) at which point I decide not to try pushing it further. Strange thing is that when stressing the GPU using cinebench (which has a higher TDP than the CPU (50W vs 47W), the temps stay around 80.This seems to happen regardless of ambient temps ( only change by a few degrees depending on surroundings). I've checked for background processes hogging the cpu and I've also tried resetting the system management controller. The fans stay around 2000RPM which is a third of the 6000RPM they can go up to. I had to manually push the fans during the stress test to prevent the temp from going above 100C.

My question is are these voltages/temps normal for a macbook pro and are they safe? Is it safe to try to stress both CPU and GPU at the same time without killing it? And how would this impact the longevity of the laptop? I know ultrabooks with high performance specs usually get hot, but how hot is too hot? Should I replace the thermal paste or just get the laptop exchanged?
 

sewalk

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You can find the thermal limit for the CPU itself at ark.intel.com The i7-4870HQ has a maximum junction temperature of 100C. Desktop processors are usually closer to 75C.

Benchmarking laptops should be kept to a minimum and closely monitored to avoid overheating. It is also critical on high-performance laptops to ensure the heatsink fins are clean and not to block any openings in the case.

On mine, I re-paste the CPU just as soon as the warranty expires to get maximum longevity out of laptops. You'd think the factory workers were slapping the stuff on with a bricklayer's trowel. Paste in mass-produced computers is usually haphazardly applied and nearly always of mediocre quality.
 

ttjambe

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I ran a few hardware tests (built in diagnostics) to no avail. I'm reading cpu voltage from istat which I assume is reading from CPUID. Is it possible that the readings are just off by a volt?
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Edit: I killed everything I could and managed to drop the temps as far as I could. These are as low as they would go.
It's still in warranty (it's brand new) and I'd rather just get a new one if there's hardware problems.
My only question left is that is this something that simply happens with macbook pros. Is there anyone who owns one (preferably a comparable model ie discrete gpu and a core series processor that could speak to whether this is a bad apple or a bad tree? To clarify, Are high temps common for macbooks and do they have a shorter lifespan as a result. Would I be better off getting it exchanged or replacing paste myself? AS5 and a pentalobe screwdriver will run me around 30 dollars. Applecare repair is going to be at least 100.

My thanks for your rapid replies and support.
 

sewalk

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I've never found any specs from Intel that give Vcore for SandyBridge and newer mobile processors. It's generally only of concern to OEMs since there is no way to alter it on a machine with a H-series chipset. Don't pay any attention to remarks and warnings from people who assume that Intel's mobile processors are just de-tuned versions of desktop CPUs. The packaging and thermal envelopes are quite different so I wouldn't be at all surprised if the operating voltages are different, too. Then again, I could be mistaken.

I would strongly advise asking such detailed performance questions on a Mac-specific forum. You're much more likely to get a correct answer about how normal your voltage and temperature readings are there. HP laptops don't provide a way to monitor CPU voltage or fan speeds or I'd be happy to tell you what my i7-2630QM was doing. I can tell you that 40C is pretty much the normal idle CPU temp (Xubuntu 14.04, nothing open but Chrome) and heavy loads can easily top 80C when using the Radeon 6770M and 90C when using HD3000 GFX.