Do I really need a CPU and motherboard today that supports overclocking?

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Hey guys,

I'm planning on building a new gaming rig soon on a budget of €1000. I don't need a top of the range CPU and motherboard as I don't see the need for overclocking in this day and age after I watched the following video [video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRiEStzOYeo"][/video]

I would still like to be able to have a setup that would run all of the current games on the market today, and also to be able to provide the performance for some video rendering.

Since I don't think I would ever be enthusiastic to overclock, would it be best to put my money into other resources, such as a nice GPU, extra RAM, SSD? Or would it be best to have a nice motherboard and CPU to provide a sence of 'future proof'?

I would appreciate any recommendations.

Thanks

 
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My two cents:

GPU, memory, storage can be upgraded periodically as they aren't the most expensive parts (GPU aside) and don't require major changes to be made, like changing MoBo, but changing the CPU is a big leap IMO. I'd go for a Xeon if you don't wish to OC, its just a locked i7 w/o integrated graphics and will give you excellent performance on any latest title for years to come.

The hyperthreads will help in any sort of video rendering, with it, you can go with a cheaper MoBo like B85/H81 if you don't wish to upgrade the CPU anytime soon, couple it with a powerful GPU like R9 280X and you'll be good for 2-4 years of high-ultra gaming. 8GB memory will suffice, you can always upgrade a bit later. Get a SSD now and get the HDD later...
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My two cents:

GPU, memory, storage can be upgraded periodically as they aren't the most expensive parts (GPU aside) and don't require major changes to be made, like changing MoBo, but changing the CPU is a big leap IMO. I'd go for a Xeon if you don't wish to OC, its just a locked i7 w/o integrated graphics and will give you excellent performance on any latest title for years to come.

The hyperthreads will help in any sort of video rendering, with it, you can go with a cheaper MoBo like B85/H81 if you don't wish to upgrade the CPU anytime soon, couple it with a powerful GPU like R9 280X and you'll be good for 2-4 years of high-ultra gaming. 8GB memory will suffice, you can always upgrade a bit later. Get a SSD now and get the HDD later when you feel fuller in the pocket.

I know its not the fastest way, but upgrading a couple of parts at a time, and getting the best parts of what you're upgrading, is the key to an excellent build IMO. Get the CPU, MoBo, memory, GPU and SSD now, get a HDD later, its really cheap and considered a minor upgrade. Then get more memory down the road if you feel the current amount is not cutting it. Then after a couple of years, upgrade the GPU to a latest one, that'd be a major upgrade.

I used this method of upgrading my build from time to time with the best components I could afford and got a single build driving me for 7 years straight :)
 
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If you don't wish to overclock, grab the highest clocked CPU that you can get.

AMD has some really high stock clocked CPUs that would not need overclocking. I would look at the FX-8350 and higher. These chips will be over the 4.0ghz mark anyway. ;)

If going Intel the same thing applies. Look to a i7 4790k or a i5 4690k. I only suggest the K editions of these chips from intel because they are the highest clocked and has the highest boost clocks. Then if you ever choose to overclock down the road, you can.

Hope this helps. :)
 
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Yeah, on a 1000€ Budget, the 300€ CPU will mean you loose out on GPU power, only with budgets close to or above 2000€ I would suggest the i7-4790K for Gamers. On a 1000€ budget, I would probably go for the i5-4460, which is at around 150€. If you also plan to do "work" like video conversion or content creation with graphics software or anything else computationally intensive, or if you want to be well prepared for future games needing more than 4 Threads, you can also go for a Xeon 1231-v3, which is around 200€.

Otherwise, go for 8GB RAM, 240+GB SSD, just about any H97 Motherboard (ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI or Asrock, not some weird chinese no-name producer;-) ), a decent ~100€ Case and a decent ~50€ PSU, and just put all the money you have left in the best GPU you can get for it.
 
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The highest clocked Xeon is 3.5ghz(3.9 boost). It is also about $70-80 more expensive. You would recommend this server chip over a higher clocked i7 that is cheaper? http://www.ncix.com/detail/intel-xeon-e3-1270-v2-c1-74985.htm
 
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The highest clocked Xeon is actually running at 3.7GHz (1281-v3), but it also costs close to 600€. Where did you read "highest clocked", the original poster just said get the Xeon. Most people mean the 1231-v3 with that, which goes for 200€.

Also, v2? Socket 1155? What exact timezone do you live in?
 
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Get over the Ivy Bridge (v2), Haswell (v3) is out there.

Xeon 1241 v3, boost clock 3.9GHz, $270 boxed, $60-70 lesser than i7 4790k.
http://ark.intel.com/products/80909/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1241-v3-8M-Cache-3_50-GHz

Please elaborate how a server chip can't be used in a gaming build.
 
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I guess I was looking at the wrong chip. My bad. I went to NCIX and looked at their highest clocked xeon and it was over $400. I also figured that the motherboard would be more expensive and a different socket than the i7/i5. Also would need quad channel ram as well wouldn't he. I'm learning as I go right now so don't take any of this the wrong way. lol. :p
 
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The highest clocked Xeon is 4.1Ghz (1281 v3: http://ark.intel.com/products/80907/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1281-v3-8M-Cache-3_70-GHz),

you can get 4GHz for as low as $335 (I'd buy the 4790k for this price though):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117314

3.6Ghz, 4Ghz turbo (specs):
http://ark.intel.com/products/80908/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1271-v3-8M-Cache-3_60-GHz

Xeons are excellent chips for reasonable prices. FX 8 at stock finds it hard to beat even a locked i5. That is because FX 8's single core performance is really weak and can't compete at stock speeds, let alone i7 or Xeons, both of which are hyperthreaded.

4GHz is a joke, you get 4 modules with 2 cores each and both cores need to share the same resources, resulting in less price, but terrible FPU and weak single core performance. FX at stock, being beaten by a locked i3:

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PS: Read your updated post, no worries :)
 
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So in order to get the highest clocked chip overall for the price he would have to go with my original recommendation for the Intel chip. The i7 4790k Right? I do know that in gaming the Intel chip beats the AMD easily, but he was also talking about video rendering and I figured the AMD chip would do well in that regard. That was why I recommended one of each camp with the highest clocks possible, without the need for overclocking.

I never really looked into the xeons though, so my knowledge is really lacking in that regard. That was why I was questioning your recommendation. Sorry.

PS: How much does it cost for a cheap xeon motherboard? Are they comparable to decent cheaper haswell i7/i5 motherboards, or are they the same overall? If he was to decide that he wanted a higher clocked chip down the road, would his options be limited by the price difference in the chips or the amount of different models released under the xeon name and socket? Someone mentioned the highest clocked xeon was around $600 so it could be a limiting upgrade factor as well.
 
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Well yes i7 4790k has the best clock but he certainly can't afford it or he'd have to sacrifice on many other terms. Similarly, FX is great for rendering but not so good for gaming at stock, ie, w/o OCing.

The reason I mentioned Xeon is that it matches this non-OCer's need the best, besides being in budget.

A Xeon v3 MoBo is same as 4th gen/ 5th gen-ready MoBos and there's absolutely no difference whatsoever from locked MoBos (B85/ H81/87/97) until you go into the LGA 2011 Ivy-E5 (like E5 1620).

They're (Xeon v3's MoBos) the same overall as Haswell/Broadwell MoBos. Xeons (from dual core to 15 cores) are not enthusiast OCing class, they can't be OCed in first place. We have the 'E' CPUs for that, like Sandy-E, Ivy-E and the latest Haswell-E, which have 6 cores (8 in case of 5960X) and can be OCed. Quad cores are 'K' i7s.

Xeons are server class processors, so the $600 price tag (some even go to $6800) is justified given they allow ECC memory to perfectly work w/ them and many other factors which need to be present for a CPU to be able to work 24/7. I can place a Xeon on my Z97 EX4 too, the socket for v3 is LGA1150.
 
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I have been considering the following motherboard Asus Z97-PRO(Wi-Fi ac), so that I can upgrade in the future, but in the specification it says "Onboard Video Chipset: Supported only by CPU with integrated graphic". Does this mean that the Xeon CPU is incompatable because it doesn't have an integrated graphics card?
 
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No, any LGA1150 MoBo will support Xeon v3. That phrase means motherboard supports integrated graphics, only if the CPU has integrated graphics. Onboard Video chipset is nothing but the integrated graphics contained by the CPU.

The motherboard is mostly just a pass-through. The CPU (or GPU) serves up the graphics to the motherboard, and the motherboard provides the actual outside connection (if not connected through GPU) to the monitor.

It'll run perfectly fine with a Xeon. But my question is, why such a honkey-donkey MoBo? I mean, I know I said get the best MoBo in your range but that one is really kind of best overall!

Why not lower it to something like ASROCK EX6 (excellent MoBo, more than enough for what you need)+WiFi adaptor and use the money saved in a better GPU?
 
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