need help deciding on Intel build, do I go 5820k?

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Thanks in advance for any help, I know its a wall of text. Im just an enthusiast and dont have an actual background or education in this kind of thing.

My current rig was built in 2006. It was running an AMD FX2 6400 Black edition. I am a fairly dedicated gamer and have done competitive leagues in graphically heavier games like BF3. I dont stream or capture, and I try to avoid overclocking.

I say I WAS running my build because it recently hit its life expectancy and the power is killed when trying to boot. I have done what troubleshooting I can to get it to work and that is not my focus here as I have been wanting to make a new build for some time.

I am in Ontario Canada and I would like to buy a new Intel gaming build. My budget is fairly loose, as I am saving up for it with a second job to cover the cost. Im expecting to pay around 1300-1500 for the rig, but I would like to get a new high speed monitor/keyboard/mouse as well so that may go as high as 1900. So thats pretty accomodating.

My last rig has lasted me 8 years, so longevity is a big concern for me. This is the crux of my dilemma. The i5s are great value right now, but I worry how long I could stretch that. A little more money on an i7 4790k (I think it was) might be a way to go, but I saw intel released the newer Haswell-E CPUs on the 2011-3 socket. The cost for the 5820k isnt that big of a leap (finding a mobo and RAM is though) and with it being the start of the development cycle there are inherent risks.

So I ask this:

Am I better off with the current i5s/i7s? Or do I spring for the new 5820k to(or even will it) increase the life of my new build. Here is a list of parts I chose based on price point after looking at a 5820k.

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/hPW26h

I didnt include some parts because they are still good in my now dormat rig,
i.e. I have a Thermaltake Toughpower 1000w AP PSU, a Western Digital 1Tb sata 3.5", and a Optical Drive. I do have a Geforce 560 GTX too and if you think that I could save money there for now, I'd consider it.

Objectively I want to run games in Ultra settings as that performance will take some time to degrade.
 
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From what you are saying, there's going to be very little benefit from going to LGA2011-3.
The headlines are that you get CPUs with extra cores/threads, quad channel DDR4, and the previously discussed extra PCIe lanes.
From an exclusively gaming perspective, none of those things really help performance, and they certainly don't provide good value.
There are no bottlenecks at all from 2-way SLI on a Z97 chipset, and due to diminishing returns 2-way SLI is about as much as ever makes economic sense.

Nobody can really predict the lifespan of 1150 vs 2011-3, and spending money on things you don't need to allow for future developments which may or may not happen is always going to give a poor resolution compared to just building the best...
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The choice of CPU depends on if you need multiple PCI-E devices, such as graphics cards and sound cards, installed. The 5820k will give enough PCI-E bandwidth to support up to 28 PCI-E lanes on the CPU while the 4790k only supports up to 16, which is enough for just a single graphics card. I upgraded from an i7-950 to an i7-4790k and found that out the hard way when plugging in my internal TV tuner was bottlenecking the graphics card. So I bought an external USB TV tuner to fix that problem. If you need SLI, audio cards, etc., then the 5930k supports up to 40 PCI-E lanes.
 
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Well I had thought that if I get a new GPU with the build I can use my 560 GTX as a physX card for the catalog of titles that support it. Just a midaswell scenario. If that was the case then I would need the 28 lanes? or since its not TRUE sli that wouldnt matter?
 
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If you purchase a high-end 700 or 900 series Nvidia GPU, then the GTX 560 will be the bottleneck in PCI-E x8 mode and useless. You could sell the card towards a new GPU and get an i7-4790k, which will be just as good in gaming and a heck of a lot cheaper than a Haswell-E build.
 
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1) I would think about cutting your budget if you need a 2nd job to pay for it. (That's just me though)

2) If you are doing a 1,500-2,000 dollar build then get a R9 290/290x or wait for the GTX 9xx line. The GTX 760 is kind of weak for such a costly build.

3) If you are using it for gaming and are getting a good cooler then you should overclock the 5820k because the base clock rate is kind of low. If I decide to get one, I will be shooting for 4ghz. I would be getting for the VMs and other stuff, not just games. That's what the i5/ i7 4790k would be best for.

4) How do you know the PSU is still good if the power for your system is killed?
 
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I have a budget that is aimed at putting a down payment on a house, so your concern for my fiscal responsability is sweet, but my career salary is more than plenty, I just have other things Im aiming for and this came at an inconveinient time.

I do intend to wait for the 9XX cards, that pick was a placeholder for pricing.

I wanted the extra threads out of the 5820k to give me the benefit of keeping my older card, and maybe even saving for a second GPU for an SLI build.

My purchase time frame is around november. My question here was more geared toward the longevity of the 2011 socket vs the 2011-3. Last time I bought a build in 2006 my board was AM2+ but in 6 mo AMD decided to go with AM3 and I had no upgrade option if it came to it.
 
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From what you are saying, there's going to be very little benefit from going to LGA2011-3.
The headlines are that you get CPUs with extra cores/threads, quad channel DDR4, and the previously discussed extra PCIe lanes.
From an exclusively gaming perspective, none of those things really help performance, and they certainly don't provide good value.
There are no bottlenecks at all from 2-way SLI on a Z97 chipset, and due to diminishing returns 2-way SLI is about as much as ever makes economic sense.

Nobody can really predict the lifespan of 1150 vs 2011-3, and spending money on things you don't need to allow for future developments which may or may not happen is always going to give a poor resolution compared to just building the best machine you can at the time.
If I were you, I'd cut down your budget and aim for a shorter lifespan. 1080P gaming is available at a relatively cheap price tag. i5s start at half of the price of the 5820K and will perform very similarly in most games. Take into account the extra platform costs and it's literally hundreds of dollars you can chop off.
Also, depending on the age of your PSU I'd be wary about reusing it - they have a finite lifespan.
 
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