Hey Guys i need your help ASAP.Any Advice/Suggestions regarding GPU
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austy007
September 5, 2014 9:01:38 AM
Hey Fellas,what's up? So i have doubts on choosing a GPU cause i wanna upgrade from my old one.Recently my PSU fused out
.So this is my config,and i need to know whether i would face compatibility issues.
Current Config:
1) Proc: CORE 2 QUAD Q6600 (I Don't wanna OC plus i don't know how to anyways lol.Yeah am a noob at that but it's a risk am not willin to take up yet)
2) Mobo: Intel DG33 (FB) i guess.It's ATX and not micro.
3) Cooler : It's a stock cooler.
4) HDD : 320GB
5) GPU: 8800 GT Alpha Dog Edition( Having Display issues)
6) PSU : Point of View 450W (No more lol)
7) RAM: I dunno the brand but it's 2GB DDR2.I wanna make it to 6 or 8.
8) Case : It's a POINT OF VIEW TURBINE V2 with a SIDE FAN that's 250 mm i guess.No other fans attached although options for front intake and back are available.
So now my questions are:
1) Which latest graphics card can i upgrade to that'll not bottleneck or cause any compatibility issues.?Obviously i don't think i can get get a card which supports 3.0 bus.I would prefer only NVIDIA and not ATI cards.
2) Please suggest a good 80+ GOLD CERTIFIED PSU from Seasonic or Corsair with ideal wattage for my config.It used to consume 350 W.
.So this is my config,and i need to know whether i would face compatibility issues.Current Config:
1) Proc: CORE 2 QUAD Q6600 (I Don't wanna OC plus i don't know how to anyways lol.Yeah am a noob at that but it's a risk am not willin to take up yet)
2) Mobo: Intel DG33 (FB) i guess.It's ATX and not micro.
3) Cooler : It's a stock cooler.
4) HDD : 320GB
5) GPU: 8800 GT Alpha Dog Edition( Having Display issues)
6) PSU : Point of View 450W (No more lol)
7) RAM: I dunno the brand but it's 2GB DDR2.I wanna make it to 6 or 8.
8) Case : It's a POINT OF VIEW TURBINE V2 with a SIDE FAN that's 250 mm i guess.No other fans attached although options for front intake and back are available.
So now my questions are:
1) Which latest graphics card can i upgrade to that'll not bottleneck or cause any compatibility issues.?Obviously i don't think i can get get a card which supports 3.0 bus.I would prefer only NVIDIA and not ATI cards.
2) Please suggest a good 80+ GOLD CERTIFIED PSU from Seasonic or Corsair with ideal wattage for my config.It used to consume 350 W.
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oxiide
September 5, 2014 9:26:26 AM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This is approximately the cheapest 80-Plus Gold power supply Corsair makes. The quality is fine.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Since you didn't specify, I'm assuming you're going for mainstream 1080p gaming. If so, and you're limited to Nvidia, the GTX 760 is a good place to start. Most games will be fine at some mix of high/ultra settings. This one has a pretty awesome sale + rebate at the time of this post.
Don't worry about PCIe 3.0. PCIe is backwards- and forwards-compatible just like USB or SATA. A PCIe 3.0 card in a 2.0 slot will be limited to 2.0 bandwidth, but you'll never notice the difference.
I wouldn't bother getting more than another 2 GB of RAM. Whether you want a single 2 GB module or 2x1 GB module depends on what you've already got and how many slots you have left. If you've currently got a single 2 GB stick, get another. If you've got two 1 GB sticks, get another 1 GB set. Pairing your modules to other identical modules preserves dual-channel mode for greater memory bandwidth. I wouldn't bother investing more than that into an old LGA-775 platform.
Edit: While some games with a heavier CPU workload might bottleneck the video card, there are others out there that will do just fine. A new video card today can be transplanted into a new machine later, so I would just get whatever is within your budget and appropriate for your monitor resolution.
This is approximately the cheapest 80-Plus Gold power supply Corsair makes. The quality is fine.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Since you didn't specify, I'm assuming you're going for mainstream 1080p gaming. If so, and you're limited to Nvidia, the GTX 760 is a good place to start. Most games will be fine at some mix of high/ultra settings. This one has a pretty awesome sale + rebate at the time of this post.
Don't worry about PCIe 3.0. PCIe is backwards- and forwards-compatible just like USB or SATA. A PCIe 3.0 card in a 2.0 slot will be limited to 2.0 bandwidth, but you'll never notice the difference.
I wouldn't bother getting more than another 2 GB of RAM. Whether you want a single 2 GB module or 2x1 GB module depends on what you've already got and how many slots you have left. If you've currently got a single 2 GB stick, get another. If you've got two 1 GB sticks, get another 1 GB set. Pairing your modules to other identical modules preserves dual-channel mode for greater memory bandwidth. I wouldn't bother investing more than that into an old LGA-775 platform.
Edit: While some games with a heavier CPU workload might bottleneck the video card, there are others out there that will do just fine. A new video card today can be transplanted into a new machine later, so I would just get whatever is within your budget and appropriate for your monitor resolution.
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oxiide said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...This is approximately the cheapest 80-Plus Gold power supply Corsair makes. The quality is fine.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Since you didn't specify, I'm assuming you're going for mainstream 1080p gaming. If so, and you're limited to Nvidia, the GTX 760 is a good place to start. Most games will be fine at some mix of high/ultra settings. This one has a pretty awesome sale + rebate at the time of this post.
Don't worry about PCIe 3.0. PCIe is backwards- and forwards-compatible just like USB or SATA. A PCIe 3.0 card in a 2.0 slot will be limited to 2.0 bandwidth, but you'll never notice the difference.
I wouldn't bother getting more than another 2 GB of RAM. Whether you want a single 2 GB module or 2x1 GB module depends on what you've already got and how many slots you have left. If you've currently got a single 2 GB stick, get another. If you've got two 1 GB sticks, get another 1 GB set. Pairing your modules to other identical modules preserves dual-channel mode for greater memory bandwidth. I wouldn't bother investing more than that into an old LGA-775 platform.
His system will strangle a gtx 760.
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Cats869
September 5, 2014 9:33:52 AM
A GTX 750 Ti would be a good choice for that processor. It's still a good idea to overclock the processor to get the most out of your computer to have decent FPS but if you don't want to risk it, stock speeds will be Ok.
No need to get a PSU that has gold certified or whatever. IMO, I think that is more of just marketing. You won't save a lot of money from getting an efficient PSU and it will cost more up front to buy a gold certified PSU anyway.
Here is one PSU that should be good enough.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Here is an even better one but priced a bit more.
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?usaffiliateid=100003150...
No need to get a PSU that has gold certified or whatever. IMO, I think that is more of just marketing. You won't save a lot of money from getting an efficient PSU and it will cost more up front to buy a gold certified PSU anyway.
Here is one PSU that should be good enough.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Here is an even better one but priced a bit more.
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?usaffiliateid=100003150...
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bryjoered
September 5, 2014 9:46:12 AM
Your most definitely going to need a new processor, with that comes a new motherboard. After that, you already mentioned you need a PSU and you want to upgrade your GPU. So, like Dunlop said, you're going to need an entirely new system. If your case is decent it might pass, but you can get a great case for like $60 dollars, so you should get a new one too.
What's your Budget? I assume it's at least 300 dollars, You can build a PC that will play most games on ultra settings at 1080p for about $800 maybe less.
What's your Budget? I assume it's at least 300 dollars, You can build a PC that will play most games on ultra settings at 1080p for about $800 maybe less.
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bryjoered
September 5, 2014 9:48:25 AM
Cats869 said:
A GTX 750 Ti would be a good choice for that processor. It's still a good idea to overclock the processor to get the most out of your computer to have decent FPS but if you don't want to risk it, stock speeds will be Ok.No need to get a PSU that has gold certified or whatever. IMO, I think that is more of just marketing. You won't save a lot of money from getting an efficient PSU and it will cost more up front to buy a gold certified PSU anyway.
Here is one PSU that should be good enough.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Here is an even better one but priced a bit more.
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?usaffiliateid=100003150...
These Power supplies should be sufficient, honestly I would recommend getting one with at least 600w, they aren't that expensive.
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bryjoered
September 5, 2014 10:04:14 AM
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus Z87M-Plus Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($103.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($61.24 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 4GB Dual FTW ACX Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($66.66 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $874.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-05 13:04 EDT-0400
This is a system that will max most games at 1080p, I went with the 4gb version of the 760 because many of the newer games require you have over 2gb for the ultra textures. You can shave $80-100 dollars off if you get the 2gb version. You could also go with AMD for graphics if you want a cheaper alterative, AMD is a good bang for your buck brand, but they tend to be a bit more power hungry and have worse drivers, but that is all opinion just what I hear around the net,
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus Z87M-Plus Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($103.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($61.24 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 4GB Dual FTW ACX Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($66.66 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $874.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-05 13:04 EDT-0400
This is a system that will max most games at 1080p, I went with the 4gb version of the 760 because many of the newer games require you have over 2gb for the ultra textures. You can shave $80-100 dollars off if you get the 2gb version. You could also go with AMD for graphics if you want a cheaper alterative, AMD is a good bang for your buck brand, but they tend to be a bit more power hungry and have worse drivers, but that is all opinion just what I hear around the net,
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austy007
September 5, 2014 10:09:28 AM
Thank you guys for your suggestions....yeah am lookin into what you guys have recommended.My worry was that you know the mobo i have has a 1.1 Bus support i guess.So Even though i could probably afford a 770 or 780 card,it would probably get bottlenecked.So i was thinking of the 500 series cards that have 2.0 bus... bringing it more closer towards backward compatibility. I agree my config is way too old...but i do not want to upgrade to a whole new system at the moment well not atleast for a year or so.
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bryjoered
September 5, 2014 10:33:07 AM
austy007 said:
Thank you guys for your suggestions....yeah am lookin into what you guys have recommended.My worry was that you know the mobo i have has a 1.1 Bus support i guess.So Even though i could probably afford a 770 or 780 card,it would probably get bottlenecked.So i was thinking of the 500 series cards that have 2.0 bus... bringing it more closer towards backward compatibility. I agree my config is way too old...but i do not want to upgrade to a whole new system at the moment well not atleast for a year or so.Well the price for a 500 series card might not be what you want. I'm not sure they are manufactured anymore. Getting one new would be expensive, you can look for used on Ebay though. A card like the 570 will still perform well, but I still think you need a new processor. On some of the more intense newer games a quad core intel is needed to insure no bottlenecks.
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bryjoered said:
austy007 said:
Thank you guys for your suggestions....yeah am lookin into what you guys have recommended.My worry was that you know the mobo i have has a 1.1 Bus support i guess.So Even though i could probably afford a 770 or 780 card,it would probably get bottlenecked.So i was thinking of the 500 series cards that have 2.0 bus... bringing it more closer towards backward compatibility. I agree my config is way too old...but i do not want to upgrade to a whole new system at the moment well not atleast for a year or so.Well the price for a 500 series card might not be what you want. I'm not sure they are manufactured anymore. Getting one new would be expensive, you can look for used on Ebay though. A card like the 570 will still perform well, but I still think you need a new processor. On some of the more intense newer games a quad core intel is needed to insure no bottlenecks.
Not to mention he only has 2gb of ddr2 ram its going to struggle a lot with new games even with a 570.
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austy007
September 5, 2014 11:19:54 AM
bryjoered said:
austy007 said:
Thank you guys for your suggestions....yeah am lookin into what you guys have recommended.My worry was that you know the mobo i have has a 1.1 Bus support i guess.So Even though i could probably afford a 770 or 780 card,it would probably get bottlenecked.So i was thinking of the 500 series cards that have 2.0 bus... bringing it more closer towards backward compatibility. I agree my config is way too old...but i do not want to upgrade to a whole new system at the moment well not atleast for a year or so.Well the price for a 500 series card might not be what you want. I'm not sure they are manufactured anymore. Getting one new would be expensive, you can look for used on Ebay though. A card like the 570 will still perform well, but I still think you need a new processor. On some of the more intense newer games a quad core intel is needed to insure no bottlenecks.
Hmm yes i am pretty aware of the OLD is Gold literally fact lol.... and getting my hands on the nearly extinct 500 series would be expensive.But i thought it would be more compatible than a gtx 770 .But are you guys saying to go for a 700 series card and consider a later upgrade? But if the 500 series itself would bottleneck even after a RAM & PSU upgrade how can i be assured a 750 or 760 would work ?
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austy007
September 5, 2014 11:20:24 AM
Dunlop0078 said:
bryjoered said:
austy007 said:
Thank you guys for your suggestions....yeah am lookin into what you guys have recommended.My worry was that you know the mobo i have has a 1.1 Bus support i guess.So Even though i could probably afford a 770 or 780 card,it would probably get bottlenecked.So i was thinking of the 500 series cards that have 2.0 bus... bringing it more closer towards backward compatibility. I agree my config is way too old...but i do not want to upgrade to a whole new system at the moment well not atleast for a year or so.Well the price for a 500 series card might not be what you want. I'm not sure they are manufactured anymore. Getting one new would be expensive, you can look for used on Ebay though. A card like the 570 will still perform well, but I still think you need a new processor. On some of the more intense newer games a quad core intel is needed to insure no bottlenecks.
Not to mention he only has 2gb of ddr2 ram its going to struggle a lot with new games even with a 570.
Hmm yes i am pretty aware of the OLD is Gold literally fact lol.... and getting my hands on the nearly extinct 500 series would be expensive.But i thought it would be more compatible than a gtx 770 .But are you guys saying to go for a 700 series card and consider a later upgrade? But if the 500 series itself would bottleneck even after a RAM & PSU upgrade how can i be assured a 750 or 760 would work ?
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austy007 said:
Dunlop0078 said:
bryjoered said:
austy007 said:
Thank you guys for your suggestions....yeah am lookin into what you guys have recommended.My worry was that you know the mobo i have has a 1.1 Bus support i guess.So Even though i could probably afford a 770 or 780 card,it would probably get bottlenecked.So i was thinking of the 500 series cards that have 2.0 bus... bringing it more closer towards backward compatibility. I agree my config is way too old...but i do not want to upgrade to a whole new system at the moment well not atleast for a year or so.Well the price for a 500 series card might not be what you want. I'm not sure they are manufactured anymore. Getting one new would be expensive, you can look for used on Ebay though. A card like the 570 will still perform well, but I still think you need a new processor. On some of the more intense newer games a quad core intel is needed to insure no bottlenecks.
Not to mention he only has 2gb of ddr2 ram its going to struggle a lot with new games even with a 570.
Hmm yes i am pretty aware of the OLD is Gold literally fact lol.... and getting my hands on the nearly extinct 500 series would be expensive.But i thought it would be more compatible than a gtx 770 .But are you guys saying to go for a 700 series card and consider a later upgrade? But if the 500 series itself would bottleneck even after a RAM & PSU upgrade how can i be assured a 750 or 760 would work ?
Yes i believe a 750 or 760 will work on that mobo it has a pci x16 slot but you will need a new power supply for the 760. It will be bottlenecked a lot so upgrade your mobo ram and cpu asap.
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bryjoered
September 5, 2014 11:57:49 AM
The best option if your only looking for a new GPU would be a 500 series for compatability. You would also need a new processor and 8gb ram to make sure there are no bottlenecks. you could get used 500 series for probably less than 100, but then you need a decent quad core that is compatible with your board and 8gb of ram. It's better and more cost effective to get a whole new system. If you don't need it now then wait and save up.
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oxiide
September 6, 2014 5:13:52 PM
Dunlop0078 said:
oxiide said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...This is approximately the cheapest 80-Plus Gold power supply Corsair makes. The quality is fine.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Since you didn't specify, I'm assuming you're going for mainstream 1080p gaming. If so, and you're limited to Nvidia, the GTX 760 is a good place to start. Most games will be fine at some mix of high/ultra settings. This one has a pretty awesome sale + rebate at the time of this post.
Don't worry about PCIe 3.0. PCIe is backwards- and forwards-compatible just like USB or SATA. A PCIe 3.0 card in a 2.0 slot will be limited to 2.0 bandwidth, but you'll never notice the difference.
I wouldn't bother getting more than another 2 GB of RAM. Whether you want a single 2 GB module or 2x1 GB module depends on what you've already got and how many slots you have left. If you've currently got a single 2 GB stick, get another. If you've got two 1 GB sticks, get another 1 GB set. Pairing your modules to other identical modules preserves dual-channel mode for greater memory bandwidth. I wouldn't bother investing more than that into an old LGA-775 platform.
His system will strangle a gtx 760.
That isn't how it works. In games where there is a major CPU workload, like Watch Dogs, yes, the Q6600 will limit performance. But there are PLENTY of games, including some newer ones, where you'll get GPU-limited performance as long as you have any semi-modern dual or quad-core processor. I'll refer you to any BF4 single-player or Tomb Raider CPU benchmark for recent examples, to say nothing of older games.
I think going with a cheap video card just because his processor is old is throwing the baby out with the bath water. He'd be ensuring his performance is bad in ALL games, rather than just the CPU-heavy ones.
Not to mention that a new GPU can be transplanted to a new system. Just depends on the budget, in my opinion.
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oxiide said:
Dunlop0078 said:
oxiide said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...This is approximately the cheapest 80-Plus Gold power supply Corsair makes. The quality is fine.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Since you didn't specify, I'm assuming you're going for mainstream 1080p gaming. If so, and you're limited to Nvidia, the GTX 760 is a good place to start. Most games will be fine at some mix of high/ultra settings. This one has a pretty awesome sale + rebate at the time of this post.
Don't worry about PCIe 3.0. PCIe is backwards- and forwards-compatible just like USB or SATA. A PCIe 3.0 card in a 2.0 slot will be limited to 2.0 bandwidth, but you'll never notice the difference.
I wouldn't bother getting more than another 2 GB of RAM. Whether you want a single 2 GB module or 2x1 GB module depends on what you've already got and how many slots you have left. If you've currently got a single 2 GB stick, get another. If you've got two 1 GB sticks, get another 1 GB set. Pairing your modules to other identical modules preserves dual-channel mode for greater memory bandwidth. I wouldn't bother investing more than that into an old LGA-775 platform.
His system will strangle a gtx 760.
That isn't how it works. In games where there is a major CPU workload, like Watch Dogs, yes, the Q6600 will limit performance. But there are PLENTY of games, including some newer ones, where you'll get GPU-limited performance as long as you have any semi-modern dual or quad-core processor. I'll refer you to any BF4 single-player or Tomb Raider CPU benchmark for recent examples, to say nothing of older games.
I think going with a cheap video card just because his processor is old is throwing the baby out with the bath water. He'd be ensuring his performance is bad in ALL games, rather than just the CPU-heavy ones.
Not to mention that a new GPU can be transplanted to a new system. Just depends on the budget, in my opinion.
Well i told him not to bother upgrading it at all and save up for a new pc. And i think his 2gb of ddr2 ram is going to hold him back more than the processor.
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September 7, 2014 10:18:12 AM
Dunlop0078 said:
oxiide said:
Dunlop0078 said:
oxiide said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...This is approximately the cheapest 80-Plus Gold power supply Corsair makes. The quality is fine.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Since you didn't specify, I'm assuming you're going for mainstream 1080p gaming. If so, and you're limited to Nvidia, the GTX 760 is a good place to start. Most games will be fine at some mix of high/ultra settings. This one has a pretty awesome sale + rebate at the time of this post.
Don't worry about PCIe 3.0. PCIe is backwards- and forwards-compatible just like USB or SATA. A PCIe 3.0 card in a 2.0 slot will be limited to 2.0 bandwidth, but you'll never notice the difference.
I wouldn't bother getting more than another 2 GB of RAM. Whether you want a single 2 GB module or 2x1 GB module depends on what you've already got and how many slots you have left. If you've currently got a single 2 GB stick, get another. If you've got two 1 GB sticks, get another 1 GB set. Pairing your modules to other identical modules preserves dual-channel mode for greater memory bandwidth. I wouldn't bother investing more than that into an old LGA-775 platform.
His system will strangle a gtx 760.
That isn't how it works. In games where there is a major CPU workload, like Watch Dogs, yes, the Q6600 will limit performance. But there are PLENTY of games, including some newer ones, where you'll get GPU-limited performance as long as you have any semi-modern dual or quad-core processor. I'll refer you to any BF4 single-player or Tomb Raider CPU benchmark for recent examples, to say nothing of older games.
I think going with a cheap video card just because his processor is old is throwing the baby out with the bath water. He'd be ensuring his performance is bad in ALL games, rather than just the CPU-heavy ones.
Not to mention that a new GPU can be transplanted to a new system. Just depends on the budget, in my opinion.
Well i told him not to bother upgrading it at all and save up for a new pc. And i think his 2gb of ddr2 ram is going to hold him back more than the processor.
The Q6600 was a great processor just a few years ago. Its not like he's got a Pentium 4 or something. There's an awful lot of games from the past 1-3 years that would work great with a Q6600 and 4 GB of DDR2.
Like I said before, I think spending < $30 on another 2 GB of DDR2 is justifiable to get to a 4 GB bare minimum for gaming. And this is one case where I think Ebay is a reasonable way to go, as well. I think that's enough to keep the system serviceable while the OP works toward a new system someday.
The PSU and video card are another matter, since they're transferable and a new system would require them anyway. I have less trouble recommending a greater expenditure there. I think its better to get a GPU that's slightly outsized for now, than to eventually have to buy two because the first was slow.
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September 8, 2014 8:37:58 AM
oxiide said:
Dunlop0078 said:
oxiide said:
Dunlop0078 said:
oxiide said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...This is approximately the cheapest 80-Plus Gold power supply Corsair makes. The quality is fine.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Since you didn't specify, I'm assuming you're going for mainstream 1080p gaming. If so, and you're limited to Nvidia, the GTX 760 is a good place to start. Most games will be fine at some mix of high/ultra settings. This one has a pretty awesome sale + rebate at the time of this post.
Don't worry about PCIe 3.0. PCIe is backwards- and forwards-compatible just like USB or SATA. A PCIe 3.0 card in a 2.0 slot will be limited to 2.0 bandwidth, but you'll never notice the difference.
I wouldn't bother getting more than another 2 GB of RAM. Whether you want a single 2 GB module or 2x1 GB module depends on what you've already got and how many slots you have left. If you've currently got a single 2 GB stick, get another. If you've got two 1 GB sticks, get another 1 GB set. Pairing your modules to other identical modules preserves dual-channel mode for greater memory bandwidth. I wouldn't bother investing more than that into an old LGA-775 platform.
His system will strangle a gtx 760.
That isn't how it works. In games where there is a major CPU workload, like Watch Dogs, yes, the Q6600 will limit performance. But there are PLENTY of games, including some newer ones, where you'll get GPU-limited performance as long as you have any semi-modern dual or quad-core processor. I'll refer you to any BF4 single-player or Tomb Raider CPU benchmark for recent examples, to say nothing of older games.
I think going with a cheap video card just because his processor is old is throwing the baby out with the bath water. He'd be ensuring his performance is bad in ALL games, rather than just the CPU-heavy ones.
Not to mention that a new GPU can be transplanted to a new system. Just depends on the budget, in my opinion.
Well i told him not to bother upgrading it at all and save up for a new pc. And i think his 2gb of ddr2 ram is going to hold him back more than the processor.
The Q6600 was a great processor just a few years ago. Its not like he's got a Pentium 4 or something. There's an awful lot of games from the past 1-3 years that would work great with a Q6600 and 4 GB of DDR2.
Like I said before, I think spending < $30 on another 2 GB of DDR2 is justifiable to get to a 4 GB bare minimum for gaming. And this is one case where I think Ebay is a reasonable way to go, as well. I think that's enough to keep the system serviceable while the OP works toward a new system someday.
The PSU and video card are another matter, since they're transferable and a new system would require them anyway. I have less trouble recommending a greater expenditure there. I think its better to get a GPU that's slightly outsized for now, than to eventually have to buy two because the first was slow.
The point we've been trying to make is that it's not worth the money to upgrade his old system. Yes, he could make do with that processor, but everyone knows AMD processors don't fare quite as well. When you're putting in a card like the 760, it is designed to play newer titles. He would most definitely struggle with BF4 on his current specs if he just swapped in a 760. I've monitored system ram usage and it easily gets over 4gb. So, he could just get the 4gb of ram, PSU and 760 for like 400 and still have pretty poor performance or he could throw down 800 for a full system and get great performance.
If he were to spring for 8 gb of ram, a new PSU and a 760, I would have to agree that would be a noticeable performance gain. Once again, http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-4-graph.... Look at these numbers the low end AMD, which is a quad core does, in fact, get bottlenecked on BF4. To recommend someone drop $400 dollars and still not be able to play high end games is stupid in my opinion.
I apologize for using BF4 as a baseline given it's buggy state, but it is currently the most graphically intense mainstream game. Crysis 3 is harder on GPUS, but BF4 multiplayer I think is the most stressful on systems overall.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...This is approximately the cheapest 80-Plus Gold power supply Corsair makes. The quality is fine.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Since you didn't specify, I'm assuming you're going for mainstream 1080p gaming. If so, and you're limited to Nvidia, the GTX 760 is a good place to start. Most games will be fine at some mix of high/ultra settings. This one has a pretty awesome sale + rebate at the time of this post.
Don't worry about PCIe 3.0. PCIe is backwards- and forwards-compatible just like USB or SATA. A PCIe 3.0 card in a 2.0 slot will be limited to 2.0 bandwidth, but you'll never notice the difference.
I wouldn't bother getting more than another 2 GB of RAM. Whether you want a single 2 GB module or 2x1 GB module depends on what you've already got and how many slots you have left. If you've currently got a single 2 GB stick, get another. If you've got two 1 GB sticks, get another 1 GB set. Pairing your modules to other identical modules preserves dual-channel mode for greater memory bandwidth. I wouldn't bother investing more than that into an old LGA-775 platform.
His system will strangle a gtx 760.
That isn't how it works. In games where there is a major CPU workload, like Watch Dogs, yes, the Q6600 will limit performance. But there are PLENTY of games, including some newer ones, where you'll get GPU-limited performance as long as you have any semi-modern dual or quad-core processor. I'll refer you to any BF4 single-player or Tomb Raider CPU benchmark for recent examples, to say nothing of older games.
I think going with a cheap video card just because his processor is old is throwing the baby out with the bath water. He'd be ensuring his performance is bad in ALL games, rather than just the CPU-heavy ones.
Not to mention that a new GPU can be transplanted to a new system. Just depends on the budget, in my opinion.
Well i told him not to bother upgrading it at all and save up for a new pc. And i think his 2gb of ddr2 ram is going to hold him back more than the processor.
The Q6600 was a great processor just a few years ago. Its not like he's got a Pentium 4 or something. There's an awful lot of games from the past 1-3 years that would work great with a Q6600 and 4 GB of DDR2.
Like I said before, I think spending < $30 on another 2 GB of DDR2 is justifiable to get to a 4 GB bare minimum for gaming. And this is one case where I think Ebay is a reasonable way to go, as well. I think that's enough to keep the system serviceable while the OP works toward a new system someday.
The PSU and video card are another matter, since they're transferable and a new system would require them anyway. I have less trouble recommending a greater expenditure there. I think its better to get a GPU that's slightly outsized for now, than to eventually have to buy two because the first was slow.
The point we've been trying to make is that it's not worth the money to upgrade his old system. Yes, he could make do with that processor, but everyone knows AMD processors don't fare quite as well. When you're putting in a card like the 760, it is designed to play newer titles. He would most definitely struggle with BF4 on his current specs if he just swapped in a 760. I've monitored system ram usage and it easily gets over 4gb. So, he could just get the 4gb of ram, PSU and 760 for like 400 and still have pretty poor performance or he could throw down 800 for a full system and get great performance.
If he were to spring for 8 gb of ram, a new PSU and a 760, I would have to agree that would be a noticeable performance gain. Once again, http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-4-graph.... Look at these numbers the low end AMD, which is a quad core does, in fact, get bottlenecked on BF4. To recommend someone drop $400 dollars and still not be able to play high end games is stupid in my opinion.
I apologize for using BF4 as a baseline given it's buggy state, but it is currently the most graphically intense mainstream game. Crysis 3 is harder on GPUS, but BF4 multiplayer I think is the most stressful on systems overall.
Did I miss something? I thought were were talking about his Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600. How did AMD come into this?
I'm aware that an older chip like the Q6600 will fare relatively poorly in BF4 multiplayer, but it will fare poorly regardless of what video card is installed so I don't see why that's a factor. BF4 won't run well without a platform upgrade, full stop. Its also worth mentioning that the OP never said anything about Battlefield 4, or any specific titles for that matter.
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