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dragonzero39
September 5, 2014 4:12:22 PM
This is the new gaming computer that I hope to order some time in the next few weeks. I had a few questions about it, and also would like the input of people who have built computers before; as this is my first time.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kvRkHx <--- Link to build.
Questions-
1) The estimated Wattage is 408W, but my power supply is 750W. Could the excess power cause any side effects or damage to the system? If so, what is a good power source that would fit the build?
2) Supposedly, all the parts are suppose to be compatible, but the last thing I want is to order the pieces and have the dimensions not work for certain pieces to fit. Does anyone know of any complications? I don't think there are any, but it'd be good to catch them.
3) Overall what do you think? Any input for changes or pieces that you think aren't as reliable as other options that are equally affordable and efficient? Thanks for taking the time to read this and look into it.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kvRkHx <--- Link to build.
Questions-
1) The estimated Wattage is 408W, but my power supply is 750W. Could the excess power cause any side effects or damage to the system? If so, what is a good power source that would fit the build?
2) Supposedly, all the parts are suppose to be compatible, but the last thing I want is to order the pieces and have the dimensions not work for certain pieces to fit. Does anyone know of any complications? I don't think there are any, but it'd be good to catch them.
3) Overall what do you think? Any input for changes or pieces that you think aren't as reliable as other options that are equally affordable and efficient? Thanks for taking the time to read this and look into it.
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dragonzero39 said:
This is the new gaming computer that I hope to order some time in the next few weeks. I had a few questions about it, and also would like the input of people who have built computers before; as this is my first time.http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kvRkHx <--- Link to build.
Questions-
1) The estimated Wattage is 408W, but my power supply is 750W. Could the excess power cause any side effects or damage to the system? If so, what is a good power source that would fit the build?
2) Supposedly, all the parts are suppose to be compatible, but the last thing I want is to order the pieces and have the dimensions not work for certain pieces to fit. Does anyone know of any complications? I don't think there are any, but it'd be good to catch them.
3) Overall what do you think? Any input for changes or pieces that you think aren't as reliable as other options that are equally affordable and efficient? Thanks for taking the time to read this and look into it.
1, It wouldn't hurt to have too much power, it's not like the PSU will overload the motherboard and the CPU with too much power.
2, I'm not really familiar with the dimensions but check the reviews. They'll say something.
3, A Core i5-4690K will crush the 8350 in gaming.
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Entomber
September 5, 2014 4:33:52 PM
1) It's actually better to get a PSU that has the potential to output much more than the maximum power consumption of your computer system. PSUs operate most efficiently at a certain percentage (never high) of their maximum rated output, and when you approach that maximum you start getting some nasty fan noise, overheating, and run the risk of total system failure.
In short, if your PSU is rated for 750W that does not mean it will output 750W constantly into your computer. It means that the maximum it can output is 750W, but it can handle anything below that safely.
2) You have a Full Tower. No problems will be had fitting anything into there, you don't have any bulky parts.
3) If you're gaming, I would go get an Intel processor if I was you. There's really no comparison in terms of performance. Secondly, swap your 5400RPM HDD for a 7200RPM HDD. More rotations = faster file access time. Plus, I've seen Newegg have sales for 1TB 7200RPM HDDs for $49.99 so you're getting ripped off for an inferior product.
What's your budget or expectations of paying for this computer?
Also, what do you plan on playing and at what settings/resolution?
In short, if your PSU is rated for 750W that does not mean it will output 750W constantly into your computer. It means that the maximum it can output is 750W, but it can handle anything below that safely.
2) You have a Full Tower. No problems will be had fitting anything into there, you don't have any bulky parts.
3) If you're gaming, I would go get an Intel processor if I was you. There's really no comparison in terms of performance. Secondly, swap your 5400RPM HDD for a 7200RPM HDD. More rotations = faster file access time. Plus, I've seen Newegg have sales for 1TB 7200RPM HDDs for $49.99 so you're getting ripped off for an inferior product.
What's your budget or expectations of paying for this computer?
Also, what do you plan on playing and at what settings/resolution?
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dragonzero39
September 7, 2014 6:17:13 PM
Entomber said:
1) It's actually better to get a PSU that has the potential to output much more than the maximum power consumption of your computer system. PSUs operate most efficiently at a certain percentage (never high) of their maximum rated output, and when you approach that maximum you start getting some nasty fan noise, overheating, and run the risk of total system failure. In short, if your PSU is rated for 750W that does not mean it will output 750W constantly into your computer. It means that the maximum it can output is 750W, but it can handle anything below that safely.
2) You have a Full Tower. No problems will be had fitting anything into there, you don't have any bulky parts.
3) If you're gaming, I would go get an Intel processor if I was you. There's really no comparison in terms of performance. Secondly, swap your 5400RPM HDD for a 7200RPM HDD. More rotations = faster file access time. Plus, I've seen Newegg have sales for 1TB 7200RPM HDDs for $49.99 so you're getting ripped off for an inferior product.
What's your budget or expectations of paying for this computer?
Also, what do you plan on playing and at what settings/resolution?
I'm looking to keep the budget right where it is, about 1050. My end goal exception is to play the most graphic heavy games, mmo's, fps, all at maximum graphics while running background tasks during gameplay like facebook, skype, pandora, etc. Hopefully I will be able to run it at max graphics and maintain a high framerate without any drops.
ALSO!!: I switched out the CPU for a Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad Core, but now it has incompatibility with the Sabertooth 990FX
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Entomber
September 10, 2014 3:43:09 PM
Your budget and your expectations do not overlap. The GTX 760 is not considered a high-end graphics card, it's middling, so you would not be able to play the most graphically intense games at maximum graphical settings at maximum FPS with it.
Also, the i5-4670K is now a little outdated, you are better off getting a 4690K (processor prices do not decrease as they get outdated)
Also, the i5-4670K is now a little outdated, you are better off getting a 4690K (processor prices do not decrease as they get outdated)
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Similar or better gaming performance, nice savings:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS9900MAX-B CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($88.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($74.70 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280 3GB Dual-X Video Card ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax ECA3280A-BL ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $853.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-10 18:41 EDT-0400
If you wanted to play demanding games at max settings swap out the GPU for a GTX 770, R9 280x, R9 290, or a GTX 780.
The GTX 760 can play games around custom ultra settings.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS9900MAX-B CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($88.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($74.70 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280 3GB Dual-X Video Card ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax ECA3280A-BL ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $853.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-10 18:41 EDT-0400
If you wanted to play demanding games at max settings swap out the GPU for a GTX 770, R9 280x, R9 290, or a GTX 780.
The GTX 760 can play games around custom ultra settings.
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RazerZ said:
Similar or better gaming performance, nice savings:PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS9900MAX-B CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($88.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($74.70 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280 3GB Dual-X Video Card ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax ECA3280A-BL ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $853.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-10 18:41 EDT-0400
If you wanted to play demanding games at max settings swap out the GPU for a GTX 770, R9 280x, R9 290, or a GTX 780.
The GTX 760 can play games around custom ultra settings.
The 212 EVO would be better than that cooler for 5$ more...
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Entomber
September 10, 2014 4:11:19 PM
Entomber
September 10, 2014 4:53:43 PM
dragonzero39
September 22, 2014 2:08:07 PM
Sorry to sort of leave this thread hanging. This is my last day to have finalized the build. This is the completed product.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yfvtkL
I traded out a few pieces, added a keyboard and mouse. Ya'll think I've reached my goal yet?
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yfvtkL
I traded out a few pieces, added a keyboard and mouse. Ya'll think I've reached my goal yet?
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Entomber
September 22, 2014 2:13:32 PM
If you plan to go 980 sli:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($247.94 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G55 SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Avexir Core series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card ($549.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($134.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($28.62 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1299.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-22 17:30 EDT-0400
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($247.94 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G55 SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Avexir Core series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card ($549.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($134.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($28.62 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1299.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-22 17:30 EDT-0400
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dragonzero39
September 22, 2014 4:55:23 PM
mdocod
September 22, 2014 4:56:09 PM
Go FX-8350 if you are an AMD enthusiast and want the novelty of performance tuning on this platform. It can be fun and the results aren't terrible. The combined execution throughput of an overclocked FX-8350 is comparable to a stock clocked E3-1231V3, so that can be useful in multi-tasking workloads, or workloads that scale well into many-cores. With the FX-8320E now available for ~$140, the implementation cost of such a configuration is somewhat feasible compared to an E3 build.
There are 2 drawbacks to the FX-8350 (8320E) route compared to an i5-4690K or E3-1231V3:
1. Power/thermal dissipation. 200-300W when overclocked, compared to ~75-150W for the E3 or overclocked i5. All that heat has to go somewhere. This requires cases with better air-flow, bigger PSUs, and larger HSFs. FYI: The TX3 will not cut the cheese here. Bare minimum 4x8mm heatpipe or 6x6mm heatpipe is recommended. Don't be fooled by charts comparing HSFs at 150W or less, especially with heatpipe based coolers, which can be easily manipulated to produce chart topping performance by UNDER filling the heatpipes or having higher minimum PWM fan speeds. The 212EVO is a popular "cheat" of a chart topper, it falls on its face at 200W+. The Silverstone AR03 and Arctic A30 are both much stronger when running at these ~200W+ dissipation levels.
2. Less practical arrangement of execution resources for existing workloads (especially real-time workloads). The FX-8350 has 8 very narrow cores, while an i5/E3/i7 has 4 very wide cores. In fact, a haswell core has more execution resources, less instruction penalties, and better cache and memory access performance, than an entire piledriver module. An overclocked FX-8350 will never "catch up" to the raw execution throughput available to any single thread of a workload on a haswell chip. That specific performance discrepancy has performance consequences for real-time workloads like gaming. This is why, even in games that have been developed and compiled to attempt to scale into many-core CPUs, overclocked FX chips run about as well as stock clocked i5's. In poorly threaded games, haswell has a 75% execution throughput per cycle advantage. Vishera can't close the gap on a stock i5-4690 in a poorly threaded compute bound game until it is overclocked to nearly 7ghz (liquid helium?).
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So with that said, the practical answer is to go with an i5-4690K if you want to overclock, or an E3-1231V3 if you want to leave it alone. You could easily displace the cost of the more expensive CPUs with less expensive motherboards. The 4690K can go on many boards as low as ~$120 very nicely (With good overclocking support), the E3, being a locked chip, works fine on many sub-$100 boards.
There are 2 drawbacks to the FX-8350 (8320E) route compared to an i5-4690K or E3-1231V3:
1. Power/thermal dissipation. 200-300W when overclocked, compared to ~75-150W for the E3 or overclocked i5. All that heat has to go somewhere. This requires cases with better air-flow, bigger PSUs, and larger HSFs. FYI: The TX3 will not cut the cheese here. Bare minimum 4x8mm heatpipe or 6x6mm heatpipe is recommended. Don't be fooled by charts comparing HSFs at 150W or less, especially with heatpipe based coolers, which can be easily manipulated to produce chart topping performance by UNDER filling the heatpipes or having higher minimum PWM fan speeds. The 212EVO is a popular "cheat" of a chart topper, it falls on its face at 200W+. The Silverstone AR03 and Arctic A30 are both much stronger when running at these ~200W+ dissipation levels.
2. Less practical arrangement of execution resources for existing workloads (especially real-time workloads). The FX-8350 has 8 very narrow cores, while an i5/E3/i7 has 4 very wide cores. In fact, a haswell core has more execution resources, less instruction penalties, and better cache and memory access performance, than an entire piledriver module. An overclocked FX-8350 will never "catch up" to the raw execution throughput available to any single thread of a workload on a haswell chip. That specific performance discrepancy has performance consequences for real-time workloads like gaming. This is why, even in games that have been developed and compiled to attempt to scale into many-core CPUs, overclocked FX chips run about as well as stock clocked i5's. In poorly threaded games, haswell has a 75% execution throughput per cycle advantage. Vishera can't close the gap on a stock i5-4690 in a poorly threaded compute bound game until it is overclocked to nearly 7ghz (liquid helium?).
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So with that said, the practical answer is to go with an i5-4690K if you want to overclock, or an E3-1231V3 if you want to leave it alone. You could easily displace the cost of the more expensive CPUs with less expensive motherboards. The 4690K can go on many boards as low as ~$120 very nicely (With good overclocking support), the E3, being a locked chip, works fine on many sub-$100 boards.
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dragonzero39
September 22, 2014 5:03:50 PM
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($247.94 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G55 SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Avexir Core series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card ($549.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($134.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($28.62 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1299.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-22 17:30 EDT-0400
RazerZ said:
If you plan to go 980 sli:PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($247.94 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G55 SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Avexir Core series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card ($549.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($134.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($28.62 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1299.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-22 17:30 EDT-0400
I went to look at the keyboard you listed... It says it ships within 3 - 8 months... I'll look into the other pieces later tonight.
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($247.94 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G55 SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Avexir Core series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card ($549.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($134.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($28.62 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1299.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-22 17:30 EDT-0400
RazerZ said:
If you plan to go 980 sli:PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($247.94 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G55 SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Avexir Core series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card ($549.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($134.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($28.62 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1299.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-22 17:30 EDT-0400
I went to look at the keyboard you listed... It says it ships within 3 - 8 months... I'll look into the other pieces later tonight.
Check amazon
If a part isn't available on one site there are other sites you can buy it from as well.
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September 22, 2014 8:05:52 PM
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There are 2 drawbacks to the FX-8350 (8320E) route compared to an i5-4690K or E3-1231V3:
1. Power/thermal dissipation. 200-300W when overclocked, compared to ~75-150W for the E3 or overclocked i5. All that heat has to go somewhere. This requires cases with better air-flow, bigger PSUs, and larger HSFs. FYI: The TX3 will not cut the cheese here. Bare minimum 4x8mm heatpipe or 6x6mm heatpipe is recommended. Don't be fooled by charts comparing HSFs at 150W or less, especially with heatpipe based coolers, which can be easily manipulated to produce chart topping performance by UNDER filling the heatpipes or having higher minimum PWM fan speeds. The 212EVO is a popular "cheat" of a chart topper, it falls on its face at 200W+. The Silverstone AR03 and Arctic A30 are both much stronger when running at these ~200W+ dissipation levels.
2. Less practical arrangement of execution resources for existing workloads (especially real-time workloads). The FX-8350 has 8 very narrow cores, while an i5/E3/i7 has 4 very wide cores. In fact, a haswell core has more execution resources, less instruction penalties, and better cache and memory access performance, than an entire piledriver module. An overclocked FX-8350 will never "catch up" to the raw execution throughput available to any single thread of a workload on a haswell chip. That specific performance discrepancy has performance consequences for real-time workloads like gaming. This is why, even in games that have been developed and compiled to attempt to scale into many-core CPUs, overclocked FX chips run about as well as stock clocked i5's. In poorly threaded games, haswell has a 75% execution throughput per cycle advantage. Vishera can't close the gap on a stock i5-4690 in a poorly threaded compute bound game until it is overclocked to nearly 7ghz (liquid helium?).
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So with that said, the practical answer is to go with an i5-4690K if you want to overclock, or an E3-1231V3 if you want to leave it alone. You could easily displace the cost of the more expensive CPUs with less expensive motherboards. The 4690K can go on many boards as low as ~$120 very nicely (With good overclocking support), the E3, being a locked chip, works fine on many sub-$100 boards.
mdocod said:
Go FX-8350 if you are an AMD enthusiast and want the novelty of performance tuning on this platform. It can be fun and the results aren't terrible. The combined execution throughput of an overclocked FX-8350 is comparable to a stock clocked E3-1231V3, so that can be useful in multi-tasking workloads, or workloads that scale well into many-cores. With the FX-8320E now available for ~$140, the implementation cost of such a configuration is somewhat feasible compared to an E3 build.There are 2 drawbacks to the FX-8350 (8320E) route compared to an i5-4690K or E3-1231V3:
1. Power/thermal dissipation. 200-300W when overclocked, compared to ~75-150W for the E3 or overclocked i5. All that heat has to go somewhere. This requires cases with better air-flow, bigger PSUs, and larger HSFs. FYI: The TX3 will not cut the cheese here. Bare minimum 4x8mm heatpipe or 6x6mm heatpipe is recommended. Don't be fooled by charts comparing HSFs at 150W or less, especially with heatpipe based coolers, which can be easily manipulated to produce chart topping performance by UNDER filling the heatpipes or having higher minimum PWM fan speeds. The 212EVO is a popular "cheat" of a chart topper, it falls on its face at 200W+. The Silverstone AR03 and Arctic A30 are both much stronger when running at these ~200W+ dissipation levels.
2. Less practical arrangement of execution resources for existing workloads (especially real-time workloads). The FX-8350 has 8 very narrow cores, while an i5/E3/i7 has 4 very wide cores. In fact, a haswell core has more execution resources, less instruction penalties, and better cache and memory access performance, than an entire piledriver module. An overclocked FX-8350 will never "catch up" to the raw execution throughput available to any single thread of a workload on a haswell chip. That specific performance discrepancy has performance consequences for real-time workloads like gaming. This is why, even in games that have been developed and compiled to attempt to scale into many-core CPUs, overclocked FX chips run about as well as stock clocked i5's. In poorly threaded games, haswell has a 75% execution throughput per cycle advantage. Vishera can't close the gap on a stock i5-4690 in a poorly threaded compute bound game until it is overclocked to nearly 7ghz (liquid helium?).
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So with that said, the practical answer is to go with an i5-4690K if you want to overclock, or an E3-1231V3 if you want to leave it alone. You could easily displace the cost of the more expensive CPUs with less expensive motherboards. The 4690K can go on many boards as low as ~$120 very nicely (With good overclocking support), the E3, being a locked chip, works fine on many sub-$100 boards.
I went in and switched the CPU for an i5-4690K. While doing all this the final question I guess is,
A) Will all these pieces (The Heatpipes, GeForce card, etc.) fit inside of the mid case tower I have selected? Compatibility issue (Unable to verify the Enermax ECA3280A-BR ATX Mid Tower Case and the Deepcool LUCIFER 81.3 CFM CPU Cooler are compatible.)
B) Which build do you all think will run games faster, with better graphics, the i-5 (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ptt2jX) or the FX-8350 (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/MY6byc)
C) On the i-5 build, this compatibility issue comes up (Some Intel Z87 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Haswell Refresh CPUs.)
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September 22, 2014 9:17:52 PM
There's really no reason to do the build on a Z87, pick a Z97 instead.
The i5 will run all compute intensive games better than the FX-8350. With the same GPU in each build the visual quality will be the same. That said, if you're interested in a $500 GPU, it should be a GTX980, not a GTX780 regardless of which CPU you choose.
The i5 will run all compute intensive games better than the FX-8350. With the same GPU in each build the visual quality will be the same. That said, if you're interested in a $500 GPU, it should be a GTX980, not a GTX780 regardless of which CPU you choose.
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September 22, 2014 9:57:02 PM
Alrighty then, got that (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/fL2DnQ)
Last question, do the pieces fit in the tower?
Last question, do the pieces fit in the tower?
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mdocod
September 23, 2014 2:38:12 AM
The Data sheet and product information pages at enermax for the ostrog GT do not include any details about HSF clearance. You would have to contact them directly to answer your question about whether or not the satanic ritual heatsink will fit inside their evil red case. The case appears "wide" but I wouldn't chance it. The deepcool lucifer is ~168mm tall.
To make matters more complicated, deepcool does not have a proper dimensions diagram for the heatsink on their product page, so there is no way to determine if it will clear the memory you have selected.
My advice would be to buy a case whose manufacture has taken the time to list important information like HSF clearance on the product page. Then, while you're at it, pick an HSF whose manufacture includes proper dimensions/diagrams on their product pages. Then you don't have to play the guessing game, or ask others to guess for you.
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Some other things to consider:
1. The Asus Z97-A is a fantastic workstation board, but wouldn't be my first choice as a gaming board unless you plan to install a separate sound card, the built in audio is ho-hum. Fine for signal to typical PC speakers and cheap headphones, but if you own headphones better than $50 you would probably appreciate one of the many "gaming" oriented boards from MSI, ASRock, or Gigabyte, as most of them come with ALC1150 with a built in headphone amp. The result is on-board sound quality that is competitive with <$100 sound cards.
2. A build at this budget should have an SSD.
3. If you're going to buy a Z97 chipset board and a K series CPU, you should probably pair that with some "tuner" class memory to get the most out of it. The price isn't much different. Possibly cheaper. Better memory doesn't neccessarily mean higher speeds, as you can manually tune any kit to go faster, but buying into a kit with more usable headroom for overclocking, or higher profiled speeds is a good idea. A 1600-9-9-9@1.35V kit would offer good overclocking headroom, comparable to a 2133-9@1.65V kit once tuned.
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Here ya go: (build = fixed)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($224.74 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_RD 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z97X Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($122.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($142.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($111.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card ($549.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master Storm Scout 2 Advanced ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($83.98 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1444.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-23 05:36 EDT-0400
To make matters more complicated, deepcool does not have a proper dimensions diagram for the heatsink on their product page, so there is no way to determine if it will clear the memory you have selected.
My advice would be to buy a case whose manufacture has taken the time to list important information like HSF clearance on the product page. Then, while you're at it, pick an HSF whose manufacture includes proper dimensions/diagrams on their product pages. Then you don't have to play the guessing game, or ask others to guess for you.
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Some other things to consider:
1. The Asus Z97-A is a fantastic workstation board, but wouldn't be my first choice as a gaming board unless you plan to install a separate sound card, the built in audio is ho-hum. Fine for signal to typical PC speakers and cheap headphones, but if you own headphones better than $50 you would probably appreciate one of the many "gaming" oriented boards from MSI, ASRock, or Gigabyte, as most of them come with ALC1150 with a built in headphone amp. The result is on-board sound quality that is competitive with <$100 sound cards.
2. A build at this budget should have an SSD.
3. If you're going to buy a Z97 chipset board and a K series CPU, you should probably pair that with some "tuner" class memory to get the most out of it. The price isn't much different. Possibly cheaper. Better memory doesn't neccessarily mean higher speeds, as you can manually tune any kit to go faster, but buying into a kit with more usable headroom for overclocking, or higher profiled speeds is a good idea. A 1600-9-9-9@1.35V kit would offer good overclocking headroom, comparable to a 2133-9@1.65V kit once tuned.
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Here ya go: (build = fixed)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($224.74 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_RD 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z97X Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($122.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($142.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($111.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card ($549.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master Storm Scout 2 Advanced ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($83.98 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1444.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-23 05:36 EDT-0400
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