I built a computer about 3-4 months ago using an ASUS M5A97 R2.0 motherboard (this one to be exact http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131873) and its been shutting itself off a lot lately. At first I thought it was my hard drive, but then I noticed as I was poking around in the tower right after it shut off that the Northbridge heatsink was extremely hot to the touch. The other metal heat sink on my board near the CPU, which I'm guessing is the VRM's heatsink, was also quite hot. I have a lot of questions, but I'll keep it to 3. 1: Will these parts of the board overheating cause a shutdown? 2: Can reapplying my CPU's thermal paste help at all? 3:If this problem is with my northbridge/VRM heatsink what can I do about this?
Motherboard heat issues?
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Unolocogringo
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Most motherboards are designed for use with the stock heatsink.
Which not only cools the CPU, but also cools the VRMs and Northbridge as well.
Download Hardware monitor and post back the temperature reported and your full system specs including power supply, case and fans.
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html
Overheating or low voltages are the most common cause of random shut downs. But without more info we can only guess.
Which not only cools the CPU, but also cools the VRMs and Northbridge as well.
Download Hardware monitor and post back the temperature reported and your full system specs including power supply, case and fans.
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html
Overheating or low voltages are the most common cause of random shut downs. But without more info we can only guess.
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1. They can, but it won't be in isolation - it will be in conjunction with overheating of your CPU also.
2. Possibly. It depends on whether the issue is hardware or software related, or a combination. It can't hurt to check.
3. You need to verify whether the NB/VRMs are the problem, or if their temps are a symptom of a problem somewhere else.
Here are a couple of things you'll want to do:
- Verify that your BIOS and drivers are up to date. Your BIOS version needs to be sufficient to properly manage your CPU. Which CPU are you using and what BIOS version (you can find BIOS vers. on BIOS main menu)?
- Verify your temperatures. You can use AMD System Monitor or HWMonitor. Take a screenshot of your readings at idle and under load and post them here for us to assess and/or compare them to temps for similar setups online.
- Make sure you've got good airflow in your computer case. You need sufficient cool air intake and hot air exhaust to allow your various heatsinks to work at max efficiency. Check your cable management to make sure you don't have cables impeding or disrupting the airflow through the case. What case are you using, how many of what size fans do you have, and how are they configured?
2. Possibly. It depends on whether the issue is hardware or software related, or a combination. It can't hurt to check.
3. You need to verify whether the NB/VRMs are the problem, or if their temps are a symptom of a problem somewhere else.
Here are a couple of things you'll want to do:
- Verify that your BIOS and drivers are up to date. Your BIOS version needs to be sufficient to properly manage your CPU. Which CPU are you using and what BIOS version (you can find BIOS vers. on BIOS main menu)?
- Verify your temperatures. You can use AMD System Monitor or HWMonitor. Take a screenshot of your readings at idle and under load and post them here for us to assess and/or compare them to temps for similar setups online.
- Make sure you've got good airflow in your computer case. You need sufficient cool air intake and hot air exhaust to allow your various heatsinks to work at max efficiency. Check your cable management to make sure you don't have cables impeding or disrupting the airflow through the case. What case are you using, how many of what size fans do you have, and how are they configured?
First things first, here's a link to the parts I used: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WMGw7P The only things not listed are the network interface card which is shown here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124342 and the fact that my case has 2 fans, 1 in the front and one in the back and both are 120mm. I'll be back with the HWmoniter results shortly
just idling my temperatures are 31 degrees for the CPU and 26 degrees for the mother board. My voltages are 12.107-12.158 for +12V, 5.038-5.060 for +5V, .864-1.416 for CPU VCORE, 1.656 for VIN3, 1.944 for VIN4, 3.118 for +3.3V, 2.220 for VIN6, .912 for VIN7, and 1.668 for VIN8
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After running HeavyLoad's stress test for 5 minutes my CPU was at 45 and my motherboad was at 28. The voltages were still in the same range. I was thinking of running the stress test longer, but seeing as how heat seems to be the issue I didn't want to run it too long and get a shutdown. If you need me to run it longer just say so
Where is that listed in HWmoniter? If its TMPIN2 that sits at a negative number, or 128 degrees C where it is currently
Quick update, I'm idling at about 41 degrees C on my CPU and 30 degrees on my mother board. This is after opening the side of my tower
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Is your power supply mounted with the fan facing up or down?
The EVGA 600b is a tier 3 unit. It has 40c capacitors.
If the fan is facing up it could be overheating as it is getting hot air from inside the case.
Your video card dumps 80% or more of its heat into the case which will heat the air inside considerably. And be pulled into the PSU causing it to overheat and shut down.
The EVGA 600b is a tier 3 unit. It has 40c capacitors.
If the fan is facing up it could be overheating as it is getting hot air from inside the case.
Your video card dumps 80% or more of its heat into the case which will heat the air inside considerably. And be pulled into the PSU causing it to overheat and shut down.
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You can flip it over . But you may have to redo the wiring going to the motherboard video card etc...
Also make sure if you flip it to the fan down position that the case is not sitting on carpet. It will block the power supply intake on the bottom.
Also make sure if you flip it to the fan down position that the case is not sitting on carpet. It will block the power supply intake on the bottom.
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Also ,if possible, run the video card and CPU stress test at the same time.
The system may not overheat with just the CPU test, but will overheat with both stressed at the same time.
If not possible with your software, you can download OCCT and run the power supply test which will stress both.
Forgot to add link.
http://www.ocbase.com/index.php/download
The system may not overheat with just the CPU test, but will overheat with both stressed at the same time.
If not possible with your software, you can download OCCT and run the power supply test which will stress both.
Forgot to add link.
http://www.ocbase.com/index.php/download
Just finished flipping around the PSU, and I saw that it was sucking in all that hot air from my video card..... I'm thinking that would be my problem, but I'll run that stress test now to be thorough.
Update: ran the stress test for CPU and graphics card at the same time for 45 minutes and the temperature topped out at ~47 degrees C. I'll give it another day or so of testing with games, but my poor placement of the PSU seems to be the cause of my issues.
Update: ran the stress test for CPU and graphics card at the same time for 45 minutes and the temperature topped out at ~47 degrees C. I'll give it another day or so of testing with games, but my poor placement of the PSU seems to be the cause of my issues.
After running League of Legends for no more than half an hour my pc shut down. I opened up my tower and felt my north bridge heat sink and its was burning hot to the touch. This seems like the source of the problem to me but I have no idea what is causing this. It seems my PC just can't handle the load involved with running games now for whatever reason
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Hi - checking in again and just caught up with current events. Your board may not have temp sensors on your NB or VRAM or HWM may just not be reading them. I'll link a couple more monitoring programs you can try. The problem is that the heatsinks are designed to get hot and the fact that it will burn you doesn't actually tell you whether it's TOO hot, just that the temp is 60C or higher. I'll have to verify this, but if I remember correctly, the sinks on your board can run into the 90s+ before they get into the danger zone - again, I'm going off of memory so I could be way off on that.
The TMPIN2 is an unassigned monitor lead so it's a non-sensical read-out. For most folks, it'll read 128C.
Do you have access to a regular fan, like a household oscillating fan? If so, try running LoL with the side panel off and the fan directed onto your mobo. Note how much of a difference there is for your CPU and GPU between that and running with just case fans, and if it crashes, how long it takes to crash.
The TMPIN2 is an unassigned monitor lead so it's a non-sensical read-out. For most folks, it'll read 128C.
Do you have access to a regular fan, like a household oscillating fan? If so, try running LoL with the side panel off and the fan directed onto your mobo. Note how much of a difference there is for your CPU and GPU between that and running with just case fans, and if it crashes, how long it takes to crash.
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Is the motherboard temperature 47C or the processor?
For the processor that is great. For the motherboard that is quite hot.
Try the house fan with the side panel off as posted above.
That will narrow it down to heat or power supply problem.
For the processor that is great. For the motherboard that is quite hot.
Try the house fan with the side panel off as posted above.
That will narrow it down to heat or power supply problem.
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Turn on hardware monitor before you start your game. It will give you minimum and maximum temperatures.
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There's no standard, only opinions. I've heard and read everything from 15 minutes to 12+ hours. Basically, it's whatever length of time gives you a warm fuzzy. Personally I think that anything over about two hours is overkill. If it's not completely stable after two hours with no issues or surprises, than it's stable enough for my purposes. I use AIDA 64 (full compatibility and FPU-only) and OCCT (with and without AVX) and have never had an issue after passing those.
I was in the middle of another LoL match and 20 minutes in my computer shut down even with the fan blowing right into the tower. It looks like I only get about 30-45 minutes of game play in before it shuts down. I find this a little odd since last night I got almost 2 full games in(approximately 45 minutes each) before it started its whole routine of shutting down. The CPU was at ~35C max last I checked and the motherboard was around the same if not less.
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After 45 minutes you have probably reached max temperature.
For gaming stability a couple hour stress test is usually adequate.
For production or scientific work 24-48 hours is what I do.
An error in a game usually causes a small graphical glitch that may last a frame or two.
An error is production or Folding@Home means 24-48 hours of work is useless and has to be ran again by another machine.
All three of my computers run 100% load 24/7 on processors and video cards. And each is overclocked as far as complete stability and temperatures will allow.
For gaming stability a couple hour stress test is usually adequate.
For production or scientific work 24-48 hours is what I do.
An error in a game usually causes a small graphical glitch that may last a frame or two.
An error is production or Folding@Home means 24-48 hours of work is useless and has to be ran again by another machine.
All three of my computers run 100% load 24/7 on processors and video cards. And each is overclocked as far as complete stability and temperatures will allow.
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It looks like it might be the power supply going out.
Over time the cheap capacitors have overheated and became weaker.
Try the OCCT power supply test and watch the temperature and voltages.
If temperatures for the processor get above 65c stop. If video card temperatures get above 80c stop.
Video card and processor temperatures can drop a lot in the 5 seconds it takes to exit a game and load a monitoring program.
If it passes the power supply test we need to look at software. Drivers ,Game updates or hard drive.
Have you ran a SMART test on the Hard drive?
http://www.hdtune.com/
Over time the cheap capacitors have overheated and became weaker.
Try the OCCT power supply test and watch the temperature and voltages.
If temperatures for the processor get above 65c stop. If video card temperatures get above 80c stop.
Video card and processor temperatures can drop a lot in the 5 seconds it takes to exit a game and load a monitoring program.
If it passes the power supply test we need to look at software. Drivers ,Game updates or hard drive.
Have you ran a SMART test on the Hard drive?
http://www.hdtune.com/
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