New GTX 770 GPU Slow down/Delayed Login
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AzureKnight
September 7, 2014 8:23:01 AM
I Bought an Asus Geforce GTX 770 yesterday and installed it. My previous, and old GPU was a Sapphire Radeon hd 6850. I always heard good things about nvidia not to say AMD is bad. After installing the card and the nvidia drivers my computer became massivley slow, almost to the point of being non-useable. After researching thisI read various Posts saying that it is either a PSU issue, a Driver issue, I needed to update my Motherboard Bios, or I have a defect card. I dropped 350 for it and would love some help, her are my sepcs.
Specs:
Processor: AMD Phenmon II X6 1040T
8 GB of ram, 4 2 GB sticks
GPU: Asus Geforce GTX 770 CU II
PSU: Corsair 600 (+80) Builder Seires CX600
Motherboard: Asus M5A99x EVO 2.0
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Windows 7 64 Bit
Te PSU i have not even had for a month, and I updated My MOBO bios to the latest version. I also Tried multiple version of the compatible drivers. some working more well than others. The newest version was the slowest 340.52, Slightly better was the driver that came in the box and the driver i am using is 340.43 (beta). On some other drivers My screen would black out for minutes upon restarting, Once in the 340.52 i actually got blue screened when trying to roll back drivers and i have never had a blue screen ever. Currently in the beta driver i can finally do small tasks like post on the internet, but upon starting my computer it takes about 2 minutes when before it took seconds after i logged in to my account. So the Login is delayed, and half the time when i log in i get nothing but a black screen with my mouse pointer for a few minutes. I would Greatly appreciate any help!
Specs:
Processor: AMD Phenmon II X6 1040T
8 GB of ram, 4 2 GB sticks
GPU: Asus Geforce GTX 770 CU II
PSU: Corsair 600 (+80) Builder Seires CX600
Motherboard: Asus M5A99x EVO 2.0
OS
Windows 7 64 Bit
Te PSU i have not even had for a month, and I updated My MOBO bios to the latest version. I also Tried multiple version of the compatible drivers. some working more well than others. The newest version was the slowest 340.52, Slightly better was the driver that came in the box and the driver i am using is 340.43 (beta). On some other drivers My screen would black out for minutes upon restarting, Once in the 340.52 i actually got blue screened when trying to roll back drivers and i have never had a blue screen ever. Currently in the beta driver i can finally do small tasks like post on the internet, but upon starting my computer it takes about 2 minutes when before it took seconds after i logged in to my account. So the Login is delayed, and half the time when i log in i get nothing but a black screen with my mouse pointer for a few minutes. I would Greatly appreciate any help!
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volcanoscout
September 7, 2014 9:03:41 AM
Sorry - just saw your PM and I only have a minute. I'll be back on this in a couple of hours.
One possible problem is extra drivers or driver remnants creating conflicts. Try downloading and running Display Driver Uninstaller, reboot, then reinstall the original driver that came on the support disk. During reinstall, if you get a "New hardware discovered. Would you like to install: message, click "No", then manually install the driver.
(http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-unin...)
If that doesn't work, I'll come back with some other suggestions in a bit.
One possible problem is extra drivers or driver remnants creating conflicts. Try downloading and running Display Driver Uninstaller, reboot, then reinstall the original driver that came on the support disk. During reinstall, if you get a "New hardware discovered. Would you like to install: message, click "No", then manually install the driver.
(http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-unin...)
If that doesn't work, I'll come back with some other suggestions in a bit.
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AzureKnight
September 7, 2014 9:12:39 AM
volcanoscout said:
Sorry - just saw your PM and I only have a minute. I'll be back on this in a couple of hours.One possible problem is extra drivers or driver remnants creating conflicts. Try downloading and running Display Driver Uninstaller, reboot, then reinstall the original driver that came on the support disk. During reinstall, if you get a "New hardware discovered. Would you like to install: message, click "No", then manually install the driver.
(http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-unin...)
If that doesn't work, I'll come back with some other suggestions in a bit.
Thanks for the quick reply, I did the nvidia clean instal option for the last few drivers i tried. Before this i used Driver Fusion to get rid of my AMD and Nvidia drivers. If still advised I will try this since it is a different program.
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volcanoscout
September 7, 2014 4:05:07 PM
Okay, going through the details you posted originally, it seems obvious that the onset of the issues coincided with the GPU installation, but the symptoms don't really point specifically at the GPU. You've already updated the BIOS, cleared out any other graphics drivers and have a clean install of your current driver (340.43 Beta).
Here are a couple more options to try, hoping for a quick fix:
1. In Device Manager, under Display Adapters, make sure that the 770 is showing and enabled, and if the on-board graphics adapter is showing, that it's disabled. Make sure there are no yellow triangles next to any of the drivers.
2. Shutdown the system, switch off your PSU (can unplug too), press and hold the power button a few times, then clear the CMOS.
3. Power back up again and install/reinstall the latest chipset driver, then reboot.
If this is something that you've already done, let me know.
Here are a couple more options to try, hoping for a quick fix:
1. In Device Manager, under Display Adapters, make sure that the 770 is showing and enabled, and if the on-board graphics adapter is showing, that it's disabled. Make sure there are no yellow triangles next to any of the drivers.
2. Shutdown the system, switch off your PSU (can unplug too), press and hold the power button a few times, then clear the CMOS.
3. Power back up again and install/reinstall the latest chipset driver, then reboot.
If this is something that you've already done, let me know.
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AzureKnight
September 7, 2014 6:14:04 PM
Now my computer seems not to be lagging anymore. But when i boot up i get the black screen with nothing but a mouse pointer for about 10-15 seconds then my login screen pops up, i type in my password and the black screen with the point comes back for 20-30 seconds ( i can move the pointer all around the screen ) I do not have any real graphically demanding game to test the card to see how well its working, just some lower end f2p mmos. The black screen is scaring me, like even though ai am posting right now, it's the thought that that problem may lead to others.
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volcanoscout
September 7, 2014 8:33:21 PM
We can't really rule out anything yet, including malware. Rather than trying to backtrack through everything, if you've got a good backup of critical files on your OS drive I would recommend starting from scratch. It will take a while and be tedious, but then so will the alternatives.
Insert your Windows disk in your ODD, then shut down, switch off PSU and disconnect all of your drives (SSD, HDD, ODD) and GPU. Press and hold power button, etc, and clear the CMOS again. Switch your monitor cable to the mobo I/O panel connector.
Switch on PSU and power up- should take you to BIOS screen. Hit the Exit button, then select "Load Optimized Defaults", then select "Yes" to load. Once that's complete, go to the boot priority and set it to boot from CD/DVD if you have the install disk, or USB if you have the ISO on a thumbdrive. Hit "Exit" and "Save Changes & Reset". Then power down again.
Hook up your ODD or USB as appropriate and OS drive. If you use a USB, make sure it's plugged into a USB 2.0 port. Power up and let it boot to the Windows install menu. Select the clean install option and go through the install process. Once it's complete and it's rebooted into Windows, install the drivers from your mobo support disk. Start with the chipset driver and reboot each time before installing the next driver. Once all of the drivers are installed, go ahead and do your Windows updates.
If you haven't had any issues up to this point, power down and install your GPU and switch your monitor cable, then power up and manually install the driver that came with the card, then reboot. At this point, I would start adding in third-party software - start with CPU-Z, HWMonitor (it's free) or your monitoring software of choice, and a graphics benchmark like Unigine Heaven 4.0 (also free). Run some benchmarks and see how everything is working. If no problems, load your AV software and run the updates for it, then power down.
At this point, you can start updating your drivers (BIOS should be good). Again, start with the chipset and reboot before installing the next one. After each reboot, but before the next driver install, play around with the different programs and functions, graphics benchmarks, etc, to see if you're getting any lags, freezes, etc.
After you've completed all the updates, shut down again and hook up any additional drives you have. Boot to BIOS and enable the XMP profile for your DRAM, then "Exit" and "Save & Reset", and boot to Windows. Run a full AV scan on any drives you added (if you transfer in files from a backup drive, make sure you run a full scan on those too).
In Windows, go to Power Options and select "High Performance". Then click "Change plan settings", then "Change advanced power options". Under "Processor power management", change the minimum and maximum processor state to 100%. Then hit your start button and in the search window, type in "msconfig" and hit return. The System Configuration window should pop-up - click on the Boot tab, then select Advanced Options. In the Boot Advanced Options window, look in the upper right-hand corner for a box labeled "Maximum memory" - if the little box next to it is checked, uncheck it, then hit OK. It'll go back to the System Config window - check the box that says "Make all boot settings permanent", then hit Apply and OK.
As you go through each of the steps, watch for any problems. If you don't run into any problems, at this point I would set a new Restore Point and save an image of your system for backup. Then load up your games and fire away!
CPU-Z: http://www.cpuid.com/downloads/cpu-z/1.70-setup-en.exe
HWMonitor: http://www.cpuid.com/downloads/hwmonitor/1.25-setup.exe
Unigine Heaven: http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/download_unigine_he...
Insert your Windows disk in your ODD, then shut down, switch off PSU and disconnect all of your drives (SSD, HDD, ODD) and GPU. Press and hold power button, etc, and clear the CMOS again. Switch your monitor cable to the mobo I/O panel connector.
Switch on PSU and power up- should take you to BIOS screen. Hit the Exit button, then select "Load Optimized Defaults", then select "Yes" to load. Once that's complete, go to the boot priority and set it to boot from CD/DVD if you have the install disk, or USB if you have the ISO on a thumbdrive. Hit "Exit" and "Save Changes & Reset". Then power down again.
Hook up your ODD or USB as appropriate and OS drive. If you use a USB, make sure it's plugged into a USB 2.0 port. Power up and let it boot to the Windows install menu. Select the clean install option and go through the install process. Once it's complete and it's rebooted into Windows, install the drivers from your mobo support disk. Start with the chipset driver and reboot each time before installing the next driver. Once all of the drivers are installed, go ahead and do your Windows updates.
If you haven't had any issues up to this point, power down and install your GPU and switch your monitor cable, then power up and manually install the driver that came with the card, then reboot. At this point, I would start adding in third-party software - start with CPU-Z, HWMonitor (it's free) or your monitoring software of choice, and a graphics benchmark like Unigine Heaven 4.0 (also free). Run some benchmarks and see how everything is working. If no problems, load your AV software and run the updates for it, then power down.
At this point, you can start updating your drivers (BIOS should be good). Again, start with the chipset and reboot before installing the next one. After each reboot, but before the next driver install, play around with the different programs and functions, graphics benchmarks, etc, to see if you're getting any lags, freezes, etc.
After you've completed all the updates, shut down again and hook up any additional drives you have. Boot to BIOS and enable the XMP profile for your DRAM, then "Exit" and "Save & Reset", and boot to Windows. Run a full AV scan on any drives you added (if you transfer in files from a backup drive, make sure you run a full scan on those too).
In Windows, go to Power Options and select "High Performance". Then click "Change plan settings", then "Change advanced power options". Under "Processor power management", change the minimum and maximum processor state to 100%. Then hit your start button and in the search window, type in "msconfig" and hit return. The System Configuration window should pop-up - click on the Boot tab, then select Advanced Options. In the Boot Advanced Options window, look in the upper right-hand corner for a box labeled "Maximum memory" - if the little box next to it is checked, uncheck it, then hit OK. It'll go back to the System Config window - check the box that says "Make all boot settings permanent", then hit Apply and OK.
As you go through each of the steps, watch for any problems. If you don't run into any problems, at this point I would set a new Restore Point and save an image of your system for backup. Then load up your games and fire away!
CPU-Z: http://www.cpuid.com/downloads/cpu-z/1.70-setup-en.exe
HWMonitor: http://www.cpuid.com/downloads/hwmonitor/1.25-setup.exe
Unigine Heaven: http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/download_unigine_he...
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AzureKnight
September 8, 2014 1:10:57 AM
volcanoscout said:
We can't really rule out anything yet, including malware. Rather than trying to backtrack through everything, if you've got a good backup of critical files on your OS drive I would recommend starting from scratch. It will take a while and be tedious, but then so will the alternatives.Insert your Windows disk in your ODD, then shut down, switch off PSU and disconnect all of your drives (SSD, HDD, ODD) and GPU. Press and hold power button, etc, and clear the CMOS again. Switch your monitor cable to the mobo I/O panel connector.
Switch on PSU and power up- should take you to BIOS screen. Hit the Exit button, then select "Load Optimized Defaults", then select "Yes" to load. Once that's complete, go to the boot priority and set it to boot from CD/DVD if you have the install disk, or USB if you have the ISO on a thumbdrive. Hit "Exit" and "Save Changes & Reset". Then power down again.
Hook up your ODD or USB as appropriate and OS drive. If you use a USB, make sure it's plugged into a USB 2.0 port. Power up and let it boot to the Windows install menu. Select the clean install option and go through the install process. Once it's complete and it's rebooted into Windows, install the drivers from your mobo support disk. Start with the chipset driver and reboot each time before installing the next driver. Once all of the drivers are installed, go ahead and do your Windows updates.
If you haven't had any issues up to this point, power down and install your GPU and switch your monitor cable, then power up and manually install the driver that came with the card, then reboot. At this point, I would start adding in third-party software - start with CPU-Z, HWMonitor (it's free) or your monitoring software of choice, and a graphics benchmark like Unigine Heaven 4.0 (also free). Run some benchmarks and see how everything is working. If no problems, load your AV software and run the updates for it, then power down.
At this point, you can start updating your drivers (BIOS should be good). Again, start with the chipset and reboot before installing the next one. After each reboot, but before the next driver install, play around with the different programs and functions, graphics benchmarks, etc, to see if you're getting any lags, freezes, etc.
After you've completed all the updates, shut down again and hook up any additional drives you have. Boot to BIOS and enable the XMP profile for your DRAM, then "Exit" and "Save & Reset", and boot to Windows. Run a full AV scan on any drives you added (if you transfer in files from a backup drive, make sure you run a full scan on those too).
In Windows, go to Power Options and select "High Performance". Then click "Change plan settings", then "Change advanced power options". Under "Processor power management", change the minimum and maximum processor state to 100%. Then hit your start button and in the search window, type in "msconfig" and hit return. The System Configuration window should pop-up - click on the Boot tab, then select Advanced Options. In the Boot Advanced Options window, look in the upper right-hand corner for a box labeled "Maximum memory" - if the little box next to it is checked, uncheck it, then hit OK. It'll go back to the System Config window - check the box that says "Make all boot settings permanent", then hit Apply and OK.
As you go through each of the steps, watch for any problems. If you don't run into any problems, at this point I would set a new Restore Point and save an image of your system for backup. Then load up your games and fire away!
CPU-Z: http://www.cpuid.com/downloads/cpu-z/1.70-setup-en.exe
HWMonitor: http://www.cpuid.com/downloads/hwmonitor/1.25-setup.exe
Unigine Heaven: http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/download_unigine_he...
Sounds like a lot of work xD i did think of malware scanned with MSE, then Avast, both Full scans and found 0 threats. My computer did actually start being laggy in normal operations again before the scans, but it stopped after i used cc cleaner to wipe all my temporary files. I do not have like an on board display card but im pretty sure the gtx 770 works just in the lowest resolution without the drivers. i also have the OEM 7 but i cannot remember if it is a 1 time use or if its bound to cpu/mobo combo. Im pretty sure i have a partition of when i literally just finished doing a clean install on one of my external hard drives. would the partition of that work? i also wonder if it is a driver problem since when i cleaned downloads, cookies, ect, something normal i haven't done in a while, that it naturally sped up. ( not trying to fight your solutions ) So i mainly want to know if just doing a clean install without disconnecting and clearing cmos would be okay, and or if the clean instal partition is ok.And the fact i dont have a display port dirrct to my mobo so I would have to keep the new card in.
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volcanoscout
September 8, 2014 6:37:17 AM
If you have an OEM Windows license, you can reinstall it as many times as you like on the same machine. The MS verification is tied to a hardware profile, not just your mobo - as long as it's the same machine, you're legal. If the profile changes enough from upgrades, Windows may reject your activation key but you can call MS and have them deactivate and reactivate your key. This may be as little as changing your OS drive, or as much as changing everything but your case - there's no predicting where the tipping point will be. I recently upgraded a build changing everything but the CPU, and Windows didn't even blink, but I've had to call in before when I switched out a single HDD for an SSD.
For the GPU, obviously you'll have to leave it in place - I missed the fact that your mobo doesn't support IGP. For the rest of it, you can do as much or as little of it as you choose. If you're sure the partition is clean, go ahead and use it. If you want to try a clean install without disconnecting everything, that's perfectly fine, also.
The problem with a piecemeal approach like that though, is that when you're done if you still have the issue you're right back where you started from and you really haven't eliminated any possibilities. Like doing an internal scan for a virus - if you do an Avast scan and nothing turns up, you don't know for a fact that your PC is clean. All you know for sure is that Avast didn't turn anything up. If you do a clean install, you KNOW your PC is clean. Same thing applies to your drivers and hardware.
For the GPU, obviously you'll have to leave it in place - I missed the fact that your mobo doesn't support IGP. For the rest of it, you can do as much or as little of it as you choose. If you're sure the partition is clean, go ahead and use it. If you want to try a clean install without disconnecting everything, that's perfectly fine, also.
The problem with a piecemeal approach like that though, is that when you're done if you still have the issue you're right back where you started from and you really haven't eliminated any possibilities. Like doing an internal scan for a virus - if you do an Avast scan and nothing turns up, you don't know for a fact that your PC is clean. All you know for sure is that Avast didn't turn anything up. If you do a clean install, you KNOW your PC is clean. Same thing applies to your drivers and hardware.
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volcanoscout
September 8, 2014 7:09:35 AM
If you read through this forum for any length of time, you'll notice that several of the senior members will initially recommend a few solutions, and then recommend "benching" the system. This is a simpler way of recommending what I did, only it takes the additional step of removing the mobo from the case to eliminate the possibility of a short between the mobo and chassis, and also running MemTest86 to verify that the DRAM and DIMM slots are good. The reason for this is that there are so many variables in a computer system and so many possibilities for a driver/software/hardware conflict that you could guess at solutions for a very long time and never fix the problem. Starting from scratch (or my version of "scratch") can take some time and effort, but has the virtue of establishing a clean foundation for your build, eliminates a large majority of the possible fault points, and reinforces your knowledge and confidence level in your own system.
I should add that there are certain kinds of problems that are relatively simple to define and allow you to concentrate your efforts on a single component or area of your system. For these, benching a system is unnecessary and overkill. Benching comes into play for those problems that aren't as easily pinpointed.
I should add that there are certain kinds of problems that are relatively simple to define and allow you to concentrate your efforts on a single component or area of your system. For these, benching a system is unnecessary and overkill. Benching comes into play for those problems that aren't as easily pinpointed.
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AzureKnight
September 8, 2014 8:14:01 AM
volcanoscout said:
If you read through this forum for any length of time, you'll notice that several of the senior members will initially recommend a few solutions, and then recommend "benching" the system. This is a simpler way of recommending what I did, only it takes the additional step of removing the mobo from the case to eliminate the possibility of a short between the mobo and chassis, and also running MemTest86 to verify that the DRAM and DIMM slots are good. The reason for this is that there are so many variables in a computer system and so many possibilities for a driver/software/hardware conflict that you could guess at solutions for a very long time and never fix the problem. Starting from scratch (or my version of "scratch") can take some time and effort, but has the virtue of establishing a clean foundation for your build, eliminates a large majority of the possible fault points, and reinforces your knowledge and confidence level in your own system.I should add that there are certain kinds of problems that are relatively simple to define and allow you to concentrate your efforts on a single component or area of your system. For these, benching a system is unnecessary and overkill. Benching comes into play for those problems that aren't as easily pinpointed.
Alright i think i am going to do a clean install. Just to be safe, i have started backing up what files i want to keep. As a recap, and to make sure i understand you correctly. Reset my MOBO CMOS ( so resore it to factory settings ). Then after this is complete go into bios and set it to boot from my cd//dvd drive. Reboot my BIOS then do a clean install of Windows 7. Next install my MOBO software from the CD that came with it. Then install the 394875203985 windows updates. Then if my computer is alright ( which is should be if i do a clean install ) install my GPU drivers/bios updates. Please let me know if this is correct, and thanks for the constant Replies. Oh and i also have a question, when i install my nvdia driver from the CD do i update it? because it is not the newest version.
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volcanoscout
September 8, 2014 8:52:44 AM
You got it. It doesn't have to go in that precise order, but I recommend establishing a pattern to keep things straight, i.e. base OS/base drivers/update OS/update drivers. I do, however, recommend installing your chipset driver before you install any of the other drivers. You shouldn't need to mess with your BIOS, as I believe it's already on the latest version? If you do reflash it, I'd stick with the lastest version but reflash it first before you do your OS install.
For the GPU, I would start with the driver that came with it, then update it after a reboot. That may just be paranoia on my part, but it's a system that's worked well for me.
I would also recommend setting Windows Restore Points frequently throughout the process. That way if you run into a conflict or unstable driver or update, it's easy to back it up a step and address the issue without having to redo a bunch of work.
For the GPU, I would start with the driver that came with it, then update it after a reboot. That may just be paranoia on my part, but it's a system that's worked well for me.
I would also recommend setting Windows Restore Points frequently throughout the process. That way if you run into a conflict or unstable driver or update, it's easy to back it up a step and address the issue without having to redo a bunch of work.
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AzureKnight
September 8, 2014 10:07:28 AM
volcanoscout
September 8, 2014 10:42:09 AM
You could, but it goes back to the clean slate philosophy I addressed earlier. Clearing CMOS and the "Load Optimized Defaults" are similar functions, but work to a different degree. When you load optimized defaults, it factors in attached components and can retain any corrupted elements that were induced or introduced following the BIOS flash. Clearing CMOS takes the board back to factory settings irrespective of any components attached so when you power it up, it's the same as firing it up for the first time. It's similar to the difference between a Windows repair install and a clean install.
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AzureKnight
September 8, 2014 10:48:42 AM
volcanoscout said:
You got it. It doesn't have to go in that precise order, but I recommend establishing a pattern to keep things straight, i.e. base OS/base drivers/update OS/update drivers. I do, however, recommend installing your chipset driver before you install any of the other drivers. You shouldn't need to mess with your BIOS, as I believe it's already on the latest version? If you do reflash it, I'd stick with the lastest version but reflash it first before you do your OS install.For the GPU, I would start with the driver that came with it, then update it after a reboot. That may just be paranoia on my part, but it's a system that's worked well for me.
I would also recommend setting Windows Restore Points frequently throughout the process. That way if you run into a conflict or unstable driver or update, it's easy to back it up a step and address the issue without having to redo a bunch of work.
AzureKnight said:
Yes my Bios is the latest version, because of this should i even do the cmos thing? Could i just restore it to default settings? I'm sure there is an option in BIOS to. xDvolcanoscout said:
You could, but it goes back to the clean slate philosophy I addressed earlier. Clearing CMOS and the "Load Optimized Defaults" are similar functions, but work to a different degree. When you load optimized defaults, it factors in attached components and can retain any corrupted elements that were induced or introduced following the BIOS flash. Clearing CMOS takes the board back to factory settings irrespective of any components attached so when you power it up, it's the same as firing it up for the first time. It's similar to the difference between a Windows repair install and a clean install.That makes sense. Guess i should go look up how to clear my MOBOS CMOS xD is it risky to clear it? like can i fry my MOBO?
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volcanoscout
September 8, 2014 11:29:58 AM
Clearing your CMOS is easy and not risky - just remember to switch off your PSU. Your manual (Pg 1-27) says to unplug it also. I never do, but I probably should. It doesn't say to press and hold your power button several times to clear stray voltage - it may be unnecessary, but I do it as a matter of practice, similar to grounding myself prior to handling electronics with exposed contacts.
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM3+/M5A99X_E...
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM3+/M5A99X_E...
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AzureKnight
September 8, 2014 11:39:10 AM
volcanoscout said:
Clearing your CMOS is easy and not risky - just remember to switch off your PSU. Your manual (Pg 1-27) says to unplug it also. I never do, but I probably should. It doesn't say to press and hold your power button several times to clear stray voltage - it may be unnecessary, but I do it as a matter of practice, similar to grounding myself prior to handling electronics with exposed contacts.http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM3+/M5A99X_E...
I was going to hit my CLR CMOS button rather than doing the jumper version, does that sound fine? only thing is i don't know when to actually hit the clr cmos button like when the computer is on or off. i am looking in the manual to find out. It says to rerfer to 1.2.6 but 1.2.6 only mentions the jumper reset
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September 8, 2014 11:52:09 AM
AzureKnight
September 8, 2014 11:57:09 AM
volcanoscout said:
It should work the same as the jumper, but instead of messing with the jumper cap just press and hold the CLR CMOS button for 10-15 seconds.So I should do the CLR button with the PSU unplugged and off too, just like the jumper version? I am skeptical but at the same time i know there is a battery involving the CMOS so maybe it works independently. And sorry for so many questions, i want to make sure i do not do anything wrong to break, fry, or have to redo this whole process. ^.^
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September 8, 2014 12:15:06 PM
No sweat - ask as many questions as you like. If I wasn't willing to answer them, I wouldn't be here
Yes, you should power down, switch off and unplug the PSU. The CMOS uses volatile memory to save settings, so it needs to have constant power. When the system is on, it draws that power from the mobo, but when it's off it uses the battery. You can clear that memory by just removing the battery, but you don't know how long it will take - could be seconds, could be days (seconds are more likely, but I'm just guessing). If you don't allow enough time, instead of clearing it you might just corrupt it.
The jumper and CLR CMOS button take the guess-work out of it by shorting out the memory which effectively erases it. The manual doesn't say you need to remove the battery when using the jumper/button, but many people do this to ensure that it gets cleared. Kind of a belt & suspenders approach.
Yes, you should power down, switch off and unplug the PSU. The CMOS uses volatile memory to save settings, so it needs to have constant power. When the system is on, it draws that power from the mobo, but when it's off it uses the battery. You can clear that memory by just removing the battery, but you don't know how long it will take - could be seconds, could be days (seconds are more likely, but I'm just guessing). If you don't allow enough time, instead of clearing it you might just corrupt it.
The jumper and CLR CMOS button take the guess-work out of it by shorting out the memory which effectively erases it. The manual doesn't say you need to remove the battery when using the jumper/button, but many people do this to ensure that it gets cleared. Kind of a belt & suspenders approach.
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September 8, 2014 12:25:05 PM
volcanoscout said:
No sweat - ask as many questions as you like. If I wasn't willing to answer them, I wouldn't be here
Yes, you should power down, switch off and unplug the PSU. The CMOS uses volatile memory to save settings, so it needs to have constant power. When the system is on, it draws that power from the mobo, but when it's off it uses the battery. You can clear that memory by just removing the battery, but you don't know how long it will take - could be seconds, could be days (seconds are more likely, but I'm just guessing). If you don't allow enough time, instead of clearing it you might just corrupt it.
The jumper and CLR CMOS button take the guess-work out of it by shorting out the memory which effectively erases it. The manual doesn't say you need to remove the battery when using the jumper/button, but many people do this to ensure that it gets cleared. Kind of a belt & suspenders approach.
Okay I am going to go with just the CMOS button approach. Another thing before i start this process, what did you mean by the chipset remark when you mentioned MOBO and bios updates and drivers?
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September 8, 2014 12:45:50 PM
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September 8, 2014 12:47:53 PM
volcanoscout said:
If you look in the driver folder on your mobo support disk, you'll see a driver labeled "Chipset" or "AMD Chipset Driver" or something similar. It's basically an instruction set for your mobo that tells it how to interact with components and other drivers when you install them.Oh okay so it should install when i use the MOBO disc, or should i specifically go in and do that first? I believe when i built my rig i just did the disc and it was fine
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September 8, 2014 1:00:06 PM
I would specifically install each of them manually, starting with the chipset driver, and reboot between each one. If you use the auto-install it just loads them all up at the same time, then reboots at the end. It should work fine that way, and for most people it does, but so should your system's hardware and software. If that were the case, you and I wouldn't be having this conversation
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September 8, 2014 1:15:27 PM
volcanoscout said:
I would specifically install each of them manually, starting with the chipset driver, and reboot between each one. If you use the auto-install it just loads them all up at the same time, then reboots at the end. It should work fine that way, and for most people it does, but so should your system's hardware and software. If that were the case, you and I wouldn't be having this conversation
Well wish me luck, If i run into snags i shall communicate through my ipad xD
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September 8, 2014 1:23:54 PM
AzureKnight
September 8, 2014 3:38:25 PM
volcanoscout said:
Good luck! I'll be checking the thread so just holler if you need help.Okay so my chipset is amd because my cpu is amd. I really do not want to install amd catalyst because that is what had my drivers with my radeon card. But i am gong to install because i guess i do have an amd chip. I have the option to not install the catalyst install manager and do not know what to do
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September 8, 2014 3:54:28 PM
AzureKnight
September 8, 2014 4:11:25 PM
volcanoscout
September 8, 2014 4:26:06 PM
AzureKnight
September 8, 2014 4:40:28 PM
volcanoscout said:
If you have the option to install the drivers without Catalyst Manager, Catalyst Control Center or Catalyst Install Manager, I would go without and manually install the drivers. Is it not giving you the option?Some of the drivers i could check or uncheck but the main driver, like the catalyst manager ans another 2 driver i was not d to uncheck, like not aloud to not download it.
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September 8, 2014 5:01:11 PM
volcanoscout
September 8, 2014 5:31:38 PM
AzureKnight
September 8, 2014 7:09:19 PM
volcanoscout said:
I guess go with it then and try to make the best of it. I hate AMD.It can be hit and miss with MS support, but usually it doesn't take too long. Hang in there.
Unfortunately all my money went into the card, so no room for a new one. Okay so ms got my key to work. I activated it and started downloading windows updates. However since i had to download and install 170 i started to watch tv to pass the time. When i went to check on it my screen says no signal. I turned on and off my screene and unplugged and replugged in my hd cords and no signal whatsoever.
So ipowered my computer down and it said it had been powered down unexpectedly. So i hit start normally and it says it is installing updates, once again since it will take a while i switch the input to watch tv and the same thing happens. So at this point i realize i should not change input for whatever reason and have to power off again. I do and restart. Before going into the login screen it goes black with the mouse pointer again but only briefly. When i type in my password and login the resolution changed from the like 640 x 800 or whatever default into 1920 x 1080 ( which is what i was going to set it to after the gpu drivers ) and that did not make sense because all i had done is clear cmos install windows and install mobo drivers, and well tried to install microsoft updates. Low and behold in the bottom right of my windows bar it shows the nvidia logo and i have absolutley NO idea how it happened. ( it was in the default resolution before down
Oding windows updates ) and no i did not install nvidia drivers via the internet or the CD that came with the card. ( really sorry for this wall of text )
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September 8, 2014 7:16:49 PM
AzureKnight
September 8, 2014 7:30:48 PM
volcanoscout said:
I think Windows may have installed automatically when it detected the card. Is it working okay?That is weird considering it did not do this when i first installed the card lol idk how it is worling becusse i am waiting for the updates to finish installing the 170 updates. What should i do about the nvidia drivers after wards, updated it? Delete it? Im not even sure what version i have because i assume i shouldnt mess with the comp while thats happening.
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September 8, 2014 7:40:07 PM
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September 8, 2014 7:54:23 PM
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I would wait until Windows finishes doing it's thing, then go into your Device Manager and see what it's showing under Display adapters, and check what it has listed for the driver in Properties. I think you probably already had Windows installed the first time you installed the card?Ok, the first time i just physically removed my radeon, physically installed the gtx. Then installed cd drivers for the gtx. Then read online about conflicts so i uninstalled my amd drivers.
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September 8, 2014 8:34:17 PM
Okay so when the updates were finished i restarted my computer and it eebooted a few times to configure them. Then there was an eleven second black screen. Then my login screen, i type and enter my password then it takes 40 seconds for it to load, and then another 12 seconds black screen. So it took 1 minute for the whole process, im concerned because before it took literally seconds for the whole thing. And i have no wallpapers or pictures or programs just random drivers for mobo, window updates and an older nvidia driver.
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September 8, 2014 8:47:06 PM
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September 8, 2014 11:59:47 PM
volcanoscout
September 9, 2014 1:08:21 AM
If you're still getting the black screens, I would go ahead and uninstall the installed driver and install the latest driver. Before you do that you'll want to stop Windows from doing auto updates and disable your AV.
To disable Win auto updates: Go to Control Panel/System & security/Windows update/Turn automatic updating on or off. Change this to "Download updates, but let me choose..." or "Check for updates, but let me choose..."
Download Display Driver Update from: http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/display_driver_unin...
Disable your AV program.
Then restart your computer in Safe Mode (F8 while posting). Once it's done booting, run the DD Uninstaller - select the Uninstall and Restart option. When it boots to Windows, if you get a "New hardware detected" pop-up hit "No", then install the latest nVidia driver. Then restart. See if you're still getting the black screens and delays.
To disable Win auto updates: Go to Control Panel/System & security/Windows update/Turn automatic updating on or off. Change this to "Download updates, but let me choose..." or "Check for updates, but let me choose..."
Download Display Driver Update from: http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/display_driver_unin...
Disable your AV program.
Then restart your computer in Safe Mode (F8 while posting). Once it's done booting, run the DD Uninstaller - select the Uninstall and Restart option. When it boots to Windows, if you get a "New hardware detected" pop-up hit "No", then install the latest nVidia driver. Then restart. See if you're still getting the black screens and delays.
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September 9, 2014 5:37:55 AM
volcanoscout said:
If you're still getting the black screens, I would go ahead and uninstall the installed driver and install the latest driver. Before you do that you'll want to stop Windows from doing auto updates and disable your AV.To disable Win auto updates: Go to Control Panel/System & security/Windows update/Turn automatic updating on or off. Change this to "Download updates, but let me choose..." or "Check for updates, but let me choose..."
Download Display Driver Update from: http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/display_driver_unin...
Disable your AV program.
Then restart your computer in Safe Mode (F8 while posting). Once it's done booting, run the DD Uninstaller - select the Uninstall and Restart option. When it boots to Windows, if you get a "New hardware detected" pop-up hit "No", then install the latest nVidia driver. Then restart. See if you're still getting the black screens and delays.
Okay during the safe mode boot up there was an 11 second black screen, and during that there was no driver. Oh andnbrw the first black screen happens after the windows is starting screen and does not always have my mouse cursor. I did the ddu in safe mode, restarted then 2 about 9 second black screens before and after the login, though the login itself seems to be faster like before. Installed the newest driver and restarted. Then after the windows is starting screen there 20 - 25 second black screen and halfway the cursor loaded, logged in and there was no second black screen. I do not know what to do now it does not seem to be lagging but i have no programs to open or shut ect to test it, time for 3rd party software? Or other black screen fix attempts?
Also the black screen happens even in safe mode but it is a lot shorter.
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September 9, 2014 9:03:51 AM
AzureKnight
September 9, 2014 9:21:30 AM
volcanoscout said:
Did the black screens occur prior to the Windows updates? You also mentioned Avast - are you using the free edition? Do you have any other AV software running, like Microsoft Security Essentials? The screens always happen in between the "Windows is starting screen ( with the windows logo ) and the "Login screen" ( where i enter my password ), sometimes there is a cursor, sometimes there is not. Prior to my Clean install i used MSE, but only downloaded the free avast and scanned because i was having these issues and was told MSE isnt really good anymore, although i used it for a year and never had malware or a virus, Right now i have no AV software. I just downloaded the heaven benchmark you mentioned, am am going to test it. the last few hours i have taken out my GPU and air dusted the pcie slot, and reinstalled. Tried the newest driver, messed around with some BIOS settings, and because i was still getting the black, i just rebooted and installed the drivers from the disc it came with.
Also the screens used to happen after i entered my password in between then and my computer loading in, but after the clean install they do not really happen, i think i have see it go black once after logging in and it was for 1-2 seconds.
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September 9, 2014 9:26:32 AM
I'm trying to figure out at what point the intermittent black screens first made their appearance. Avast has been know to cause these when doing boot time scans, but a bad or corrupted update could do the same. Did you have any black screens at all after the Windows install but before the Windows update?
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September 9, 2014 9:35:37 AM
volcanoscout said:
I'm trying to figure out at what point the intermittent black screens first made their appearance. Avast has been know to cause these when doing boot time scans, but a bad or corrupted update could do the same. Did you have any black screens at all after the Windows install but before the Windows update?I almost 100% i had them before the updates, but they might of been shorter. im so paranoid that it is the PSU or something i have tried so many things and research >.< The most common solution i have found is i need to disable my on board card, but as you remember i do not have one.
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September 9, 2014 9:42:51 AM
AzureKnight
September 9, 2014 9:56:15 AM
volcanoscout said:
Other than the black screens, how is everything else looking?I It seems not to be lagging, before the clean install if i left clicked for properties ect it would lag up and take minutes to display it or not even at all. it was just really laggy and unresponsive. Now i can left click ect and it is like before with my radeon. The reason this is confusing is sometimes before i clean installed it wouldnt lag so bad or barely at all half of the time ( with the new gtx ) maybe at or under 50% of the time. So far now lag, I just downloaded and benchmarked Unigine Heaven with no crashes or anything, do you want to know my score?
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