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iEGOiST · Sep 10, 2014

Hi,
HELP ME PLEASE!

Approx Purchase Date: 1 part per month starting this saturday.
Purpose: School works, very light gaming.

AMD A10-7850K | GIGABYTE F2A88XN-WIFI | CORSAIR VENGEANCE PRO 1600MHZ 2X4GB | WD CAVIAR BLUE 1TB | ANY TINY CASE | SEASONIC G550

Kaveri for the CPU and GPU power combined, the CPU is fast and the iGPU will easily suffice my needs.
MoBo that has tons of features.
RAM with good aesthetics, 1600MHZ because I don't game much and I won't need much power from the iGPU.
HDD spins.
Case recommendation? Phenom?
PSU might be overkill but I will get 89% efficiency on current setup and about 91% when I added a dGPU.

I will buy a dGPU probably on May 31, coz that's birthday and I'm pretty sure that the fixed system requirements for Dying Light is release by that time, might buy GIGABYTE R9 270X, no dual-graphics will be encountered.

I don't play GPU intensive games, so I think that the iGPU and low frequency RAM will be enough, - things will change when Dying Light has its system requirements released -, and I also think that helping the iGPU with high frequency RAM will be useless when I added a dGPU that can't be dual-graphics'd with it.

Comments, recommendations, suggestions, criticizations? Wait, what? Whatever, I'm open for those.

And what to buy on this saturday?

Fel~

ss202sl · Sep 10, 2014

Why not save your money, and look for what you can get the best deals on. You're not going to have all your parts for 6 months, so there's no rush. You may be able to get some good deals either during the holiday season(black Friday, cyber Monday), or maybe even in January.

tiny voices · Sep 10, 2014

If you get a cheaper mobo, you can get an athon x4 860k, cheaper PSU (Still good quality), cheap 8gb RAM, and still have enough for a dedicated GPU NOW. What is the budget?

It is a REALLY poor decision to buy one part at a time. That is NEVER a good idea at all. You WILL spend more money, and get worse parts.

iEGOiST · Sep 10, 2014

Thanks for the quick responses, and sorry if I'm responding late.

ss202sl. That was my first plan, but there is no such sales in my place, just a few clearance, trade-offs, and promotions. Sorry I forgot to tell this, I will only need 4 more parts ( CPU, MoBo, RAM and HDD ) my friend will buy me a case and I will give him my N200.

I will also need to finish it before the year ends, I can't keep up saving and don't go to shops and play some League.

tiny voices. I wish I could. In terms of AMD, I am just a fan of APUs the rest is a no. I can't really give the budget but I can give a list of the parts I'm looking forward to.

CPU: AMD A10-7850K - 195.410$ | I want an APU.
MoBo: GIGABYTE F2A88XN-WIFI - 112.603$ | Only m-Itx board for Kaveri CPUs.
RAM: Corsair Vengeance Pro - 113.611$, Kingston HyperX Fury - 90.982$, Crucial Ballistix Elite - 106.794$ | Anything that's good and will suffice the blue-black scheme.
PSU: SeaSonic S12II-520, M12II-520, G550, X-Series FL400 - 61.420$, 75.060$, 95.542$, 86.442$ | I want a PSU that will give me high efficiency with or without a dGPU, and high tier as well.

I agree, but I an place where price drops ranges from 5$ - ( -10$ ) I guess it is only my choice.

Fel~

RazerZ · Sep 10, 2014

Think about it.

$180 for the 7850k APU

$85 for the 860K which is the 7850k without the igpu
+$100 for a decent graphics card such as a 260x which would be much better than the R7 graphics the A10 comes with.

davy rockstar · Sep 10, 2014

welll i dont understand... if you go for the A-10 then forget about a discrete GPU and buy good RAM....
if you want to go for a descent and cheap CPU but cappable of anything then go with intel pentium G3258 or G3220 they have haswell architecture and L3cache... fort me much better than any athlon even if it has 10000 cores....also the have internal graphics...

you caould go fot a z97 chipset... this is cheap but cappable to handle well an i5 and i7 (with no OC of course)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128717&cm_re=ga_z97m-_-13-128-717-_-Product

so if you want more no one will stop you to purchase an used i5 in the future and also buy your pentium...

now thats intelligent but it will work only if you plain to buy a discrete GPU cose intel pentiums dont have a "good IGPU" (fotr me is good enough for intelnal but not as good by far as kavery)

RCguitarist · Sep 10, 2014

That amd cpu is $180 on newegg, why not just spend $15 more and get a much more powerful CPU that has just as good of an igpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116991

1600 Ram will be fine for you, just make sure you get 8GB if you plan on playing dying light. That power supply will work great for you.

Outlander_04 · Sep 10, 2014

If you are buying things now then get the case, psu first

iEGOiST · Sep 11, 2014

RazerZ. Yeah, I have think of it before. But in my place, prices ranges from 1.2x up to 1.8x and sometimes, twice than the price in the US. Oh, and availability is also a problem.

The nearest comparison might be a 4-core FX CPU and a HD 6670.

iEGOiST · Sep 11, 2014

davy rockstar. I selected an APU because of the CPU and iGPU power combined, I will be adding a dGPU when the Dying Light system requirements are fixed and a low frequency RAM because the iGPU will cannot be dual-graphics'd with the R9 270X no matter what frequency I use.

As for the Intel path, I already thought about it, but a Core i3-4150 and H97 ITX Board. It is better in terms of productivity and office works, but in Java I guess there will be no noticeable difference between a Core i3 and a Kaveri.

iEGOiST · Sep 11, 2014

RCguitarist. That CPU is about $40 more than the Kaveri. I don't see the reason to consider a Core i5, it is very expensive and can't play League on Ultra @1080p. It is definitely a bad choice for me.

As far as I know, the HD 4600 is weaker than the R7. The HD 4600 will not give me playable frame rates ( League, Ultra @1080p ).

iEGOiST · Sep 11, 2014

Outlander_04. I'll keep this in mind.

davy rockstar · Sep 11, 2014

iEGOiST :

well wait until may its a long time... what about the A-10 5800K?? i dont know where are you from but its probable that you can get one... and the performance will be similar in most cases

i insist on considering an intel pentium the G3258 if posible it wont get you the best graphics right now but it will cost less for a better CPU

iEGOiST · Sep 11, 2014

davy rockstar. Is the A10-5800K's performance comparable to the A10-7850K? If that so, I might pick up that one and a A85X board.

I found a Pentium G3258 for $68.314, but there is no H81 ITX board, should I get a Z97 one? The MSI Z97I AC is $150.290, the GIGABYTE is more expensive and the ASUS is the most expensive ( MSI Board + Pentium ). Won't the Pentium bottleneck a R9 270X?

lp231 · Sep 11, 2014

Is that N200 your giving to your friend the CM N200 case? If yeah, then keep that, it's a good case.

davy rockstar · Sep 11, 2014

iEGOiST :

as far as i know the kavery technology makes the chip efficient, not powerful... i think the CPU on 5800k ist a little bit better and the graphics on the 7850k will be btter by a 25% at much, but remember: faster RAM = better performance

by the other hand, let me tell you, i have a phenom II X4, and also i have an R9 270x, it works great in all games but bottlenecks in few ones (like GTA IV), its said that the intel pentium its a little bit better tahn my phenom II X4 at stock speed, so if you OC it to 4 GHz (and i think the stock cooler is enough for that), you would be enough to play most demanding games and have a CPU bottleneck at no less than 40FPS (that means that even if your GPU could get more FPS you wont get more than the CPU can handle, and thats the "bottleneck"), the CPU on a10 will bottle neck the same way. to have a Z97 will be a great option cose those motherboards will supourt the new generation of intel CPU so you could upgrade if you feel so, and are motherboards made to OC

EDIT:

this is the comparation... the 5800k its not far from 6800K (the 6800k its like 5% better)
http://media.bestofmicro.com/5/U/418818/original/wow.png

iEGOiST · Sep 12, 2014

lp231. I know that the N200 is a good case, or maybe great, but I want a tiny and light case for LAN Parties. Putting an ITX Board on a case that is built for Micro ATX Boards seems odd.

iEGOiST · Sep 12, 2014

davy rockstar. Right now I'm quite interested on the Pentium, but I am wondering if it could handle light League/Dota2 ( would switch the monitor to a 768p -recommendation?- ), and since the price of the CPU is much lower, I could instantly get a cooler ( would want a liquid cooler -recommendation?- ). Which Z97 ITX Board should I get? MSI Z97I AC | GIGABYTE Z97N-WIFI | ASUS Z97I-PLUS.

tiny voices · Sep 12, 2014

Don't waste money on a liquid cooler for this build. Air coolers are quieter and perform better at every price point.

Also, no without a GPU, you will really not be playing games with the Pentium. BUT, once you get a dedicated GPU, the Pentium will be the better CPU.

Also, just so you know and understand. A pentium will beat the a10 so bad its not even funny.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/league-of-legends-performance-benchmark,3484-8.html (LoL benchmark)

Look there. Even with a 2 generation old Pentium g860 (old and slow compared to the new one) it beats even an AMD fx8350. They don't even include an a10 on that list as it is so bad for these types of games.

This is what people are trying to say. LoL doesn't care how many cores you have. It ONLY cares about core strength. 8 AMD cores lose to two Intel cores every time with this game. So if the best AMD CPU available (8350, at the time of benchmark) loses to a cheap $55 Pentium which is OLDER than the 8350, you can tell that a budget a10 AMD CPU will be miserable in comparison.

I would get the pentium, cheapest motherboard you can, and then a dedicated GPU like an R7 260. It will be WAY WAY better.

davy rockstar · Sep 12, 2014

iEGOiST :

WELL TINY VOICES IS RIGHT.
about the mother board let me tell you that right now i feel gigabyte more reliable than asus for budget products.
but you can go with the one you like most.

about the cooler for watercooling CM seidon are very popular, i think they are cgood, but the stock fan will do fine, if you want a low profile aircooling you can try noctua NH L12 which has the same performance as the hyper 212 but in low profile, or CM geminii i'm sure that you can go beyond the 4.0 GHz with those (remember only with G3258).

as far as you want a mini ITX, the pentium is a great option cose low power consuption as well as low temps (stock)

about games im sure that it can play dota 2. i watched a video and intel pentiums graphics can handle even GTA IV with good graphics as well as good FPS rates

lp231 · Sep 12, 2014

iEGOiST :

ITX aren't as small as many think they are. They are still quite large, that is mainly because of the need to install high-end graphic cards.

tiny voices · Sep 12, 2014

I disagree about the water cooling. A coolermaster Seidon 120v won't perform better than a CM hyper 212 EVO and costs $20 more and will make ALOT more noise.

Get the cheapest z97 itx board. None will be poor quality as they are all Z97 boards.

I would skip the cooler for now and focus the money on a GPU.

iEGOiST · Sep 12, 2014

tiny voices/ davy rockstar. Brand recommendation for the MoBo? I saw a something new on the list which is ASUS Z87I Pro for about $25 cheaper on the cheapest Z97 MoBo, is it good?

Also, can the Pentium AE handle Dying Light?

Is the Noctua L9i good? Can I replace its stock fan and change to Corsair AF/SP?

iEGOiST · Sep 12, 2014

anyone. Best CPU for the Pentium AE, this is an upgrade. I can't afford to buy a GPU during the build.

iEGOiST · Sep 12, 2014

lp231. Is the Phenom/ Prodigy big? I am quite interested on those cases. Or maybe make my own with glasses?

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