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Hello, i want to buy a setup like this

CPU: AMD A10-7700K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A55M-HD+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard
Memory: 2x HyperX FURY Blue 4GB, DDR3, 1600MHz

And i don't want to buy a graphics card. Do this motherboard and this processor work togheter and does the integrated card provide enough power for a next gen game?

The game i am interested in is Assassin's Creed Unity and the optimal requirements are:
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 940
RAM: 4GB or more
AMD Radeon HD 5850 (1024MB VRAM with Shader Model 5.0) or better

And one last thing: if i ever decide in the future to buy a graphics card, will i be able to?
 
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If you are on a budget, the A10 isn't really the best option IMHO. Switch the Athlon quad core, stay with 1600Mhz DDR3 and get a cheapvideo card. You will get better performance.
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That RAM won't be fast enough, or have enough, to run games well on the first rig. You'll want at least 8 GB of 1866 Mhz for the A10 setups.

If you upgrade the RAM, it won't run Assassins creed very well, but it will work at 720p. With the current RAM, it won't be playable.
 
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You mean 8GB ram won't be enough? i am going to buy 2 memories.

 
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There isn't a huge performance difference between 8GB of 2133, and 16GB of 1866Mhz.

Just make sure you get at least 1866, not 1600. You Can even find 2133 for a pretty good price, G.Skill makes some decent priced quality RAM.

8GB is enough, 4GB is not. But don't expect great performance. The onboard Graphics are good, but they are not nearly as powerful as a mid range dedicated graphics card. I'd really recommend getting the Athlon quad core CPU instead of the A10 and buying a 750 ti instead.
 
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With an APU you should really go with the fastest memory you can get your hands on. This really improves the graphics performance.

Not sure I would go with 4GB, that is shared with your video card so you will have even less as a total.
 
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I already said, i will buy 2x4GB boards. I would buy 2x4GB at 1866MHz, but i do not have enough money for that.
 
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If you are on a budget, the A10 isn't really the best option IMHO. Switch the Athlon quad core, stay with 1600Mhz DDR3 and get a cheapvideo card. You will get better performance.
 
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But if i were to buy Kingston HyperX Fury Red 4GB, DDR3, 1866MHz, and then later, when i raise the money, buy another one? Would that suffice without graphics card?
 
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No, don't use 1 stick of DDR3 in a dual channel motherboard.

Honestly; this isn't your best option for gaming. If you wanted a quiet, low power HTPC that can run games, I'd recommend the A10. I don't recommend it as a budget gaming system, it really isn't that cheap. You can get a processor for $100 less, with 1600 Mhz RAM that will out perform the A10 with almost any videocard installed.

I'd buy the Athlon chip, or even a Pentium D with a cheap GPU and upgrade the GPU in the future.
 
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http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/324460-30-stick-dual-channel-mobo

^this guy says it would work ok with only 1. Only for a month or so. The thing is i really don't have many options, because i buy the parts from a local store, because amazon or other international services do not deliver, or if they do, the taxes are too high. that would be the best setup i can make on my budget.

After i finish it, it would be AMD A10-7700K 3.4GHz Quad-Core ASRock FM2A55M-HD+ Micro ATX FM2+, HyperX FURY Red 4GB, DDR3, 1866MHz. would that not work?
 
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It will run, you'll just get terrible performance when it's not in Dual Channel. A10 is heavily dependent on RAM performance, especially for gaming. They do not have L3 cache.
He's also not using an A10, he's using an FX 6100 on AM3+ with a dedicated Graphics Card.

I assure you that any cheaper CPU/Motherboard/RAM combo with a videocard will give you better performance.

This is 2GB of 1600mhz, 1 stick
http://www.3dmark.com/cg/1613156

It's almost 30% lower than my other scores.

I own a A10-7850K, I am talking from experience, not from online benchmarks. These are actual tests I ran.
 
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George Lazu

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Can you recommend me a cheap build, then? My budget is 380 $, but i can't buy from amazon, only from local stores. This is my preferred store http://www.emag.ro/
 
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The import taxes in my country are high. Any commercial package received from outside the country has high taxes.

And i was wrong, my budged is only $310, case, power source and HDD are taken care of
 
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Alec Mowat

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The site isn't in USD, I don't' know what currency that is.
 
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It's in lei. $310 = 1060 lei.
Since i don't have much money, i wanted an integrated graphics card with a good processor. If you know how to make a better build with that few money, and you can tell me what parts, then you're a blessing. If not, i'll buy the build i specified in the first post, but i will buy 2x4GB 1866mhz RAM.
 
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http://www.emag.ro/procesor-amd-fx-x6-6300-3500mhz-14mb-socket-am3-fd6300wmhkbox/pd/E4K4KBBBM/
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http://www.emag.ro/placa-de-baza-asrock-socket-am3-960gm-vgs3-fx/pd/DBMY9BBBM/
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http://www.emag.ro/kit-dual-channel-corsair-4gb-2-x-2gb-ddr3-1600mhz-radiator-cmz4gx3m2a1600c9b/pd/ES217BBBM/
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http://www.emag.ro/placa-video-asus-amd-radeon-r7-250-1024mb-gddr5-128bit-hdmi-dvi-vga-dust-proof-fan-r7250-1gd5/pd/D66QJBBBM/
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Total here is 1166.
I can't recommend anything much lower than this.

With this system, you can easily upgrade the videocard in the future and get very good frame frames. With the A10, you could add a videocard, but the FX6300 will out perform it as a processor.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-FX-6300-vs-AMD-A10-7700K

I can't recommend getting cheaper or less quantity for RAM, but you could probably buy 1 stick of 4GB for now with this setup and not take a huge performance hit vs the dual channel. Or just get the generic DDR3 RAM and replace it later.

I'd spend the extra to get the R7-250 over any other lower end card, the performance difference is significant.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r7-240-and-250,3717-8.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/kaveri-review-tested-13-recent-games-vs-intel-iris-pro-hybrid-cf-included.196944/
 
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This build sounds good, but instead of those RAMs, i still want to get 2x HyperX Fury blue 4GB 1600MHz. And for the video card, i think i'll raise some money and get this
http://www.emag.ro/placa-video-asus-nvidia-geforce-gtx-750-ti-oc-2048mb-gddr5-128bit-hdmi-2x-dvi-vga-gtx750ti-oc-2gd5/pd/D82H4BBBM/
 
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Both are good choices and you will get significantly better performance this way, with a lot more room for improvement over the A10.
 
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