Trying to set up Vita + PS4 And Have Some Basic Networking Questions

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EternalGamer2

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Ok guys, I don't know where else to ask this and I'm pulling my hair out so here goes:

Situition: I'm trying to get my Vita to play nice with my PS4 on my network for remote play. I have a small place and I'm in a very remote area so interference is probably not an issue.

Things I have tried:

-settings a static IP for both PS4 and Vita
-port forwarding the necessary ports for both
-direct connect between Vita/PS4 and internet connect

It's crap connection even when I'm 4 feet away between the devices and I can't figure out why. i started tooling around with more network settings to see if there was something I could clean up and I suddenly realized I know far less about networking than I ever thought so now I have some questions. First, I just realized that BOTH my modem and my router were broadcasting wireless signals but I can't figure out how to shut off wireless on the modem if that's even possible. I also realized that i don't know whether i should be port forwarding on the modem or on the router. On the router the settings for port forwarding seem to be greyed out and I've been doing it on the modem itself all the time.


For reference, I have a wireless Netgear MODEM (DGND 3300) and a Netgear Router (WNDR 4400v2).

I have some basic "I'm dumber than I thought about networking" questions that I'd appreciate any answers to that could help me out:

1. It seems that my model currently occupies both 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.1.1 on my network. Is this normal? Maybe this became a thing in recent years but it seems weird to me.

2. My router meanwhile is apparently 192.168.0.2. Is this how I should have it set up?

3. Which device should be handling my port forwarding? If the modem, does it matter whether I forward to 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 since both seem valid? Should I be setting the Primary DNS to my router address instead of the modem?

4. There doesn't seem to be a way to turn off the wireless signal from the modem's internal wireless in the settings as far as I can tell. Am I missing something? Does it matter if they are both broadcasting?

5. I'm assuming I actually WANT to use the router's wireless because I believe it's a newer/better model but I could be mistaken. Is there any advantage to just using the modem to broadcast my wireless ignal and ditching the router?

6. Would I be better off just getting some new hardware altogether? Is there some good all-in-one solution perhaps? Are my router and modem potentially the problem? I don't think they are that old tech wise but I could be wrong.

Thanks in advance for any advice/clarifications.
 
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AP Mode = Access Point. You do not want wireless repeater (similar to bridge mode).

Typically, houses are "rectangular" in shape (instead of square), so it is best to have 1 router on each side of the house - the 2nd one being an access point. Use different SSIDs for them (this way you can troubleshoot which one you are connected to), and also make sure they use different channels (I usually use one on the low range, the other on the high range) so you get the best coverage.
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The easiest way to set this up is to remove the Netgear Router (WNDR 4400V2) and only use the Modem (DGND 3300). You can setup the Router as an access point only - this will allow you to connect to either router. If the router is setup for DHCP and the Modem also, you are going to have conflicts. You should only have one device that "controls" the network. Your modem is a good device to use as a router....so unless you need an access point in another part of the house - I would just remove it.

The modem should be used for the port forwarding - and your IP address reservations. Both devices should connect to the modem via wireless or network cable (network cables are always better).
 
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1. It seems that my model currently occupies both 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.1.1 on my network. Is this normal? Maybe this became a thing in recent years but it seems weird to me.

Yes because your modem is on subnet 192.168.0.x and your router is on 192.168.1.x and your modem is being routed to by your router using 192.168.1.1. This is what a router does. I connects networks. I would not worry too much about it.

2. My router meanwhile is apparently 192.168.0.2. Is this how I should have it set up?

Does not matter too much other than you have two DHCP servers running and cause problems. I would go into your modem and at least turn off DHCP and setup a static IP for your router to keep the confusion down.

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1669022/disable-router-modem.html

You might be able to call your ISP and they can help you do this.

3. Which device should be handling my port forwarding? If the modem, does it matter whether I forward to 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 since both seem valid? Should I be setting the Primary DNS to my router address instead of the modem?

As stated above I would turn of the router functions of your modem and do every thing through your router.

4. There doesn't seem to be a way to turn off the wireless signal from the modem's internal wireless in the settings as far as I can tell. Am I missing something?

No worries. You can put your router on a different Wireless Channel than your modem. I like Channel 9 personally. Just stay away from channel 6 because that is the default channel for most wifi devise.

5. I'm assuming I actually WANT to use the router's wireless because I believe it's a newer/better model but I could be mistaken.

Don't know. What are the specs of your router vs your modem?

6. Would I be better off just getting some new hardware altogether? Is there some good all-in-one solution perhaps? Are my router and modem potentially the problem? I don't think they are that old tech wise but I could be wrong.

Not sure. WiFi in general sucks. I use either net cables all the way. The problem with WiFi is there is too much junk signals in the air and too many things that can block it like Concrete and Metal. Plus cordless phones, microwaves and refrigerators reek havoc on wifi signals.
 
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I'm only more confused now.

So I want to disable DHCP on the Netgear DNDG 3300 (which is a router/modem combo) and only use the Netgear WNDR4400. I understand that much.

I found the setting for disabling DHCP in the DNDG 3300 modem menu but what a quick search online indicated that I should also change the LAN setting on this modem to match the router but I have no idea what this means.

My Netgear modem/router combo is currently 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.1.1.

My Netgear router is currently 192.168.0.2.

I guess I just have no idea what I'm doing, what I am trying to change and why.
 
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Ok, so I disabled DHCP on the modem and then changed the Lan settings in the modem to 192.168.0.2, which was previously the router's address. I suppose that worked because now when I type that address into a broswer it pushes me back to the modem's interface rather than the router. Is this what I want to happen?
 
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Another update:

In the LAN settings interface on my router/modem combo (The DNDG3300) there are settings for both disabling DHCP and a setting for the IP address for the router. But when I change the router settings to the IP address for my router, it seems to just take over that IP address. This is confusing because the decription for this setting reads as follow:

"IP Address: Type the IP address of your Router in dotted decimal notation (factory default: 192.168.0.1)."

So I guess that doesn't mean what IP I want it to direct to for an external router but rather it means what address do you want THIS ROUTER to be.

If I disable the DHCP without putting anything in that box then I still have internet connection. But I can't find any way to set the router up as a static IP in it's menu nor to tell my modem to direct it. Maybe this just works on it's own? I'm terribly confused about what I want to do and have spent a few hours searching on line to no avail. This seems like it should be a pretty standard problem/setup question?
 
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Your have it backwards - the router/modem combo should be the "brain" for DHCP and DNS services....the router (if you are going to use it) should only be an access point (disabled DHCP). Configuring the devices can be a bit of a challenge - but I would recommend reserving IP addresses for your router (that is setup for an access point) of 192.168.0.2 (the modem defaults to 192.168.0.1). You can view the MAC addresses of the devices and reserve them.

In my networks, I typically reserve IP addresses for devices in groups - i.e. computers are 192.168.0.10 - 192.168.0.19, printers are 192.168.0.20 - 192.168.0.20, laptops/tablets are 192.168.0.30-192.168.0.39, and so on....by grouping them together, it is easier to know which IP addresses are used.
 
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So what I'm understanding is that I should use the main modem/router as the DHCP broadcaster and to configure everything, wireless settings, port forwarding, etc.

If that is the case, what am I using the router for? Would it be better just to ditch it altogether?
 
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Ok, well the problem in that case is that the DNDG3300 by itself doesn't seem to be good enough to reach through all the walls of my tiny place where the PS4 and Vita are on the other end. Maybe I just need a more powerful router/modem combo? From what I understand setting it up as a repeater/bridge (which presumably is how I unknowningly had it set up?) creates a lot slower connection.
 
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In your case, if you can run a network cable from the modem to the router, and then setup the router as an access point, 100% of the signal would go to the devices. If it is setup in bridge mode, theoretically 50% of the signal is used to connect to the modem, and 50% to the devices (thus the slower connection).
 
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Ok, I think I understand. But I don't see "Access Point" as an option in my router settings. But I do have something called "AP Mode" which may be an acronym for it. In that case it was already checked. I assume I don't want "wireless repeater" which is another option and is the same thing as bridge mode?

Maybe I'll try moving the router to the half way point in the house and setting it up as an access point for the vita and PS4 to use.
 
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AP Mode = Access Point. You do not want wireless repeater (similar to bridge mode).

Typically, houses are "rectangular" in shape (instead of square), so it is best to have 1 router on each side of the house - the 2nd one being an access point. Use different SSIDs for them (this way you can troubleshoot which one you are connected to), and also make sure they use different channels (I usually use one on the low range, the other on the high range) so you get the best coverage.
 
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