Im planning to buy A10 7850k

Justine Remosura

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Good Day tom'sHARDWARE Community
I just want to Ask
Can i run WatchDogs at 25-30FPS at Max Settings with A10 7850k+Integrated Graphics+8GB RAM? If i can't can you please post a PC Specs the cheapest ones that can run it on 25-30FPS please...
 
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That Pentium can OC easily to 4.2-4.4GHz and is better in just about every game than Quad cored Athlon x4 and A10 (not with integrated graphics, ofcourse). CPU performance wise, its the best value for money and i3 comes next, it competes with FX 6. Intel has alot better single core performance, you'll need to buy high speed memory and a good OCing board with that A10, and even with OC, it won't beat Pentium in single core performance (or maybe just very slightly).

Games still rely heavily on single thread performance, and just because A10 has 4 logical cores doesn't make it a perfect quad core. It has those cores in an arrangement of 2 cores per module and 2 such modules, hence less single core performance and less FPU than Intel, as...

Justine Remosura

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Why ill need a Dual Core Processor Again if i already have?
My Current PC specs are Intel Core 2 Duo E7400
4GB DDR2 RAM
Intel DG41RQ MoBo
NVIDIA GeForce 7300GS
Can you please Tell me what upgrades can i do with my Current PC specs or do i need to Buy the A10 Kaveri 7850k
Please Tell me...
If ill Buy im Choosing between A10 6790k or A10 7850k
 

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if you afford this this is better
CPU: Intel Core I3 4130 (dual core + hyperthreading)
VGA: Palit GTX 750 TI storm X dual (best GTX 750 TI model for now this card is high OC that not need external power)

Core i3 is dual core but combining it a hyperthreading make performance improved it perform more or less to quad core Intel core I5
 
That Pentium can OC easily to 4.2-4.4GHz and is better in just about every game than Quad cored Athlon x4 and A10 (not with integrated graphics, ofcourse). CPU performance wise, its the best value for money and i3 comes next, it competes with FX 6. Intel has alot better single core performance, you'll need to buy high speed memory and a good OCing board with that A10, and even with OC, it won't beat Pentium in single core performance (or maybe just very slightly).

Games still rely heavily on single thread performance, and just because A10 has 4 logical cores doesn't make it a perfect quad core. It has those cores in an arrangement of 2 cores per module and 2 such modules, hence less single core performance and less FPU than Intel, as AMD's 2 cores share the same resources vs different resources for each core in Intel, which follows the 1 core per module standard.

Best of all, you can OC the Pentium on a $60 H MoBo which'll save you bucks for a better GPU, and 750 Ti is ALOT better than A10's integrated graphics. You'll need very high speed memory as APU's integrated GPU relies on that for memory and you'll need a very fast (which's expensive, of course) memory. Keeping all that in mind, Pentium is a better option, when paired with 750 Ti.

And actually your MoBo supports PCIe2.0 which's no different from current 3.0 in terms of real performance, you can just put in a 750 Ti there which'll increase performance by alot.

APUs for gamers (not casual) is not recommended, a Pentium+GPU combo takes on quad core Athlon (better than APU in OCing, it requires very good CPU cooler)+same GPU head on, and usually wins.

An APU like A10 will require fast memroy+good OCing MoBo+good CPU cooler to be able to match up with Pentium+cheap H MoBo+normal memory+af cooler's perforamnce. A better value/money and a better buy overall.

Or even better, just buy yourself a new GPU, like 750 Ti and you're set for high-ultra gaming, I know your CPU is not the best clock speed wise, but believe me, Intel are much better than AMD in this dept. A 3.2GHz i3 will defeat 4GHz FX 8 in single core performance. Yes, C2D will not match up Pentium's performance.
 
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Justine Remosura

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What do you mean by H Motherboard..?
Also are you telling me my Processor is ok enough to run high-ultra settings like AC or WatchDogs?
You know dude i dont have much enough money to buy costly Intel Processors and that's why i go to the conclusion of thinking to buy the A-10 7850k because if i buy it i'll be okay with no VCard but by what you've said i only need to upgrade my Motherboard & Memory because my Motherboard only supports DDR2 Memory Modules
Can you give me what Good Motherboard that can OC Intel Core 2 Duo E7400?
Also is the GTX 750 Ti will be my final choice of VCard or not?
So in conclusion i need to Upgrade these ff:
VCard = GTX 750 Ti = Price Unknown
MotherBoard = the one that can Overclock my current processor = price unknown
Memory = 4 or 8 GB DDR3 Module = Price Unknown
Btw im From Philippines I Hope you can give me the cheapest price list
 

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So Guys i've come to my Final Build Decision rather than Picking up the A-10 7850k
Thanks to All of you..!
Ill Retain my Current Processor Intel Core 2 Duo E7400
Then ill buy these ff:
Gigabyte ga-g41mt-s2pt = MotherBoard = 2,450 pesos
Dolgix Memory 4GB Ddr3-1333 = 1,400 per piece
Palit GeForce GTX 750 StormX OC = 5,229
Deepcool GAMMAXX200 Heatsink Fan = 520
So guys if you have Any last Opinions or Suggestions Please Comment it ill upgrade my rig in December this year 2014 so if you have Processor suggestions "it must be cheap" please..! Just Comment Ill wait for you further comments :)
 

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amd a10 7850k is future-proof amd is working on drivers to eliminate the bottleneck look it up before posting read up on HSA also

updated so i don;t look ignorant
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basically what there trying to do is if your using a dGPU the iGPU will kick on in compute mode and help the 4 cpu cores

so in theory the word "bottleneck" will be eliminated
 
Sorry for late reply OP, what I meant was, in terms of performance,
Core2Duo<A10<Pentium

vs value/money:
A10<Core2Duo<Pentium

Now, C2D is a strong CPU no doubt, but I meant, you should upgrade your GPU and MoBo than buying an APU which wouldn't be worth the price asked. A simple cost comparision, in USD for the sake of simplicity:

Pentium: 60$
MoBo:60$
RAM: 80$
GPU:120$
Cooler: 20$
total: 340$
vs
APU: 170$
MoBo: 80$
RAM:90$
cooler:20$
total:360$

Better performance: Pentium, ie, Pentium is value for money. Now, your CPU will bottleneck the 750 Ti, you can subside it by substantial OCing, but then again, for the upgrade:

MoBo: $80
Cooler: $20
GPU: $120
RAM: $80
Total: $300

Which's a substancial upgrade, but by spending a few more bucks (which you were already willing to do), you can get a MUCH better system with the Pentium.

I know you're not from USA but the price ratio is more or less the same. I'd rather go with the newer CPU as it'll have a much better upgrade path. If you're willing to upgrade again in the next couple years, then you can go on with C2D upgrade, else it's better to upgrade the platform
 

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i see where your aiming all of this but he's on a budget like i was and being the soul owner of a few gen intel cpus including a still running p4 with HT and a few AMDs and a 7850k i gotta say the 7850k isn't too bad at all

edit: if im correct were moving away from single threaded and moving to multi performance soon?

another edit just orderd a Pentium G3258 im going to check it out