Is it worth to upgrade?

chippymonkey · Sep 19, 2014

I am using tiny metal piece (i3-2105) which can't handle anything serious other than what any athlon or celeron can.Due some cosmic reason according to this tom's chart: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,review-32901-5.html
it appears in 2nd from top list, so I said to myself: WTFOMGIMPOSSIBLEBACKFLIPPUKENOSCOPE360WHILEJUGGLINGWITHSNIPERRIFLESONTOPOFAHORSEBACKWITHMACHODRIVINGG55?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Before I read that list I was picking out new CPU but according to it FX-6300 would be a downgrade,while FX-8320E not upgrade at all either.So i gotta stop hesitating and ask for once would buying new CPU would be no upgrade at all and also could be a downgrade?maybe i value my pc too little ( took the best care of it,no pointless touching,compressed air cleaning every month,nothing working in background,aero turned off,excellent protection from viruses and malware,weekly defragmentation,registry cleaning and so on) or maybe that list is false? people before were saying that getting new CPU (either FX-6300 or FX-8320E) would yield me 250-300% increase in performance,then again if its true then the list is screwed up.

sorry for small talking main question: is FX processors really good? because according to the list they look like horrible waste of cash and pieces of unusable crap.Maybe instead i should get new 860K or 2nd hand i5-2400?

Videographer · Sep 19, 2014

They aren't bad, but if your board supports it, why not get a nice 2500k secondhand? It'll be less than a 8350 and performs at least as well if not better

chippymonkey · Sep 19, 2014

Videographer :

in my place nobody is selling i5-2500k for some reason (mauritania)

Videographer · Sep 19, 2014

Ah sorry, I had no idea about local availability, but I would max out the board you have, 2nd gen i5 is not far off 4th gen in reality so its probably just upgrading what you have and saving your money

Novuake · Sep 19, 2014

What are you trying to do with your CPU?

What is it NOT doing that you WANT it to do?

chippymonkey · Sep 19, 2014

my board is micro ATX H61M gigabyte.. i should probably change it anyway even if sticking with intel.

my i3-2105 doesn't do anything what I would want to, that includes gaming,video editing,multitasking,image editing,working with several programs at once and more.. it's jsut bad,been very surprised seeing it so high in the chart,higher than FX-6300, while first i thought it was WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY below it ,as i said like 250-300% weaker, but according to that ass-pulled chart FX-6300 is worse, i dont get it.

Videographer · Sep 19, 2014

The reason the chart is like that is because it is for GAMING. The i3 is AS GOOD AS the 6300 in games, because the 6300 isnt very quick on single threads, however I would say in multithreading the 6300 does beat it, just not enough for it to warrant a whole system overhaul.

Here are some links, there are better comparisons out there but this site gives a nice roundup which is easy to look at:
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-2500K-vs-Intel-Core-i3-2105
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i3-2105-vs-AMD-FX-6300

sapperastro · Sep 19, 2014

What video card do you have?

The FX 6300 is better than that CPU. Toms seems to have some odd ideas at the top of that list, especially regarding i3 cpus. The Haswell i3 can defeat a 6300 in a number of games (and vice versa), but earlier i3s are bested by the FX.

I still find it strange that your cpu cannot do the job though. Full PC specs?

Novuake · Sep 19, 2014

Stop ranting please.

Then you clearly have a different problem.

If you can be more precise in the problems then we can try assist.

What are your full system specifications?
What EXACT games/software are you trying to run?
What exactly is the PROBLEM you are getting? Is it an ERROR? Is it very slow? What EXACTLY?

chippymonkey · Sep 19, 2014

full PC specs:

i3-2105 3.1GHz (worst shit i've ever had,never buying i3 in my life again)
GTX 760 2GB DDR5 (had to sell couple goats to get it)
1X8GB 1866MHz Corsair Vengeance (no complains on it)
H61M-D2-B3 (getting tight and a bit outdated)
1TB Seagate HDD 7200RPM ( no issues,running smooth and fairly fast as for a HDD)

the most severe case is with games and video editing, in games I suffer from huge FPS drops, like from 150 down to 20-30 in intense scenes on medium graphics settings,when it comes to high graphics setting it gets worse with mere 15-20FPS in intense scenes , 150FPS usually when doing
nothing.As for video editing, PC out of nowhere turns really slow,even mouse starts to run slower and sometimes sticks in place for a second or so.

Novuake · Sep 19, 2014

Seems normallish to me, I think you are expecting to much.

What power supply do you have?
What resolution do you game at?
What EXACT games?

You are too vague, can not tell you for sure if those numbers are normal.

chippymonkey · Sep 19, 2014

intense scene is anything basic such as firefight,combat,other players around etc..pretty much anything,and they're usually the more important here,cant play when game isnt playable even on medium settings ffs, most games I play are on medium, I just cant go lower,thats why i need new CPU and FX-6300 should give me a large boost atleast in games and multitasking as far as I know I'm using ZM650-XG 650W goldrock PSU, running on 1920X1080.

Videographer · Sep 19, 2014

I see a problem with your build:

1x 8GB RAM

Your cpu has dual channel memory support so you are effectively capping its memory bandwidth by only having one stick

chippymonkey · Sep 19, 2014

Videographer :

is that a big problem? im not gonna toss out a ram stick which I bought this year, neither will I buy another 8GB RAM stick,becaue having 16GB RAM is pretty much pointless, and difference between single and dual RAM builds is just like 1-2FPS , i bet its definetly not the case.

Novuake · Sep 19, 2014

You still have not mentioned the specific game(and FPS you are getting in that game)?

You need to be specific?

A FX6300 will NOT be an improvement.

chippymonkey · Sep 19, 2014

will FX-8320E or Athlon 860K or second hand i5-2400 be an improvement?

Novuake · Sep 19, 2014

An i5-2400 would be the smartest buy, since you already have the correct motherboard.

Videographer · Sep 19, 2014

Whether dual channel is faster is debatable, but given the choice you should take it, it can offer up to 20% better performance in some things, not so much games but other applications certainly. As for the rest of the build, there is no point getting a 6300, it would be a sidegrade, get a better cpu for your existing socket, the best would be the 2400 secondhand.

Novuake · Sep 19, 2014

Videographer :

10% would be more accurate, and then ONLY in memory bandwidth hungry situations, rarely in gaming.

chippymonkey · Sep 19, 2014

Novuake :

im changing my motherboard anyway

chippymonkey · Sep 19, 2014

Novuake :

10% WTF? but i expected to see 250-300% increase for FX-6300 and now it turns out that even i5-2400 yields only 10% increase? ffs yeah you were right guys, il just drop this PC out ,save up couple months and get brand new PC which should be atleast twice as powerful, 10% is NOTHING. for the cash invested.

Novuake · Sep 19, 2014

chippymonkey :

Novuake :

Stop trolling.

Goodbye.

Videographer · Sep 19, 2014

the 10 or 20% we referred to is for dual channel memory - which isnt too important in games but it is in say photoshop or maya or whatever other memory hungry applications you may use.

You are not going to get a 300% increase just by changing the CPU full stop. there is no CPU on the market that will give you a 3x speed increase over the i3 you have; a top end i7 or Xeon might do that, but not in games. Games are mostly limited by the graphics card. There is no reason to change your motherboard unless you are getting one of those chips, which would be vastly more than your current budget.

chippymonkey · Sep 20, 2014

Videographer :

alright I would want straight answer, how large improvement(%) in terms of performance I would get using the same GTX 760 with each of those 4 processors in gaming for example (Athlon 860K, FX-6300, FX-8320E, i5-2400) I understand the improvement will be way more noticable in heavily threaded titles than light threaded ones, so lets focus on em.

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