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September 20, 2014 11:58:18 AM

Hello all,
For a while now i've been researching and coming up with ideas for my first gaming PC. I don't really care about price but I want it to be awesome and last a few years. I will be mainly using it for gaming. Below is a list of the specs and I would really like some feedback on things I should change, upgrade, replace etc.

I'm about ready to buy so I'm looking for comments ASAP!
..And I know I haven't included monitor or a mouse and keyboard - i've already got those sorted!

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/Bugaloo9/saved/#savedbu...

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a b 4 Gaming
September 20, 2014 12:03:39 PM

If you don't need Trident RAM, I would suggest some Ripjaws X, which are much cheaper.
Otherwise, the build is pretty solid!
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September 20, 2014 12:04:57 PM

Get a DDR4 Build if you want it to last long.

Take a I7-5820k and a ASUS ROG RAMPAGE V EXTREME (the X99 DELUXE is also a good mobo but it is less gaming oriented)
Other than that your build is good for future.
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a b 4 Gaming
September 20, 2014 12:08:27 PM

Dat_Robot said:
Get a DDR4 Build if you want it to last long.

Take a I7-5820k and a ASUS ROG RAMPAGE V EXTREME (the X99 DELUXE is also a good mobo but it is less gaming oriented)
Other than that your build is good for future.

DDR3 will still be widely used for a few years, don't worry. It is THE most used type of DDR, used for 4-6 years.

BTW I don't believe in spending 500$ for a mobo.

@Dat_Robot, OP's budget is 1300 euros, think accordingly, please.
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a b 4 Gaming
September 20, 2014 12:11:13 PM

That's too much money on the case. The motherboard can be cheaper. The PSU doesn't look good in this rig (better for low-ended rigs). The RAM is a bit expensive. So here's something majorly better:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£230.00 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£24.96 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£99.56 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£117.34 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£77.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£52.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card (£469.18 @ Aria PC)
Case: Corsair 230T Windowed-BLUE ATX Mid Tower Case (£67.95 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£87.99 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£10.98 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£69.65 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £1308.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-20 20:10 BST+0100
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September 20, 2014 12:18:59 PM
September 20, 2014 12:19:38 PM

okcnaline said:
That's too much money on the case. The motherboard can be cheaper. The PSU doesn't look good in this rig (better for low-ended rigs). The RAM is a bit expensive. So here's something majorly better:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£230.00 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£24.96 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£99.56 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£117.34 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£77.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£52.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card (£469.18 @ Aria PC)
Case: Corsair 230T Windowed-BLUE ATX Mid Tower Case (£67.95 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£87.99 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£10.98 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£69.65 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £1308.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-20 20:10 BST+0100


ASUS boards are much better than MSI's.
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a b 4 Gaming
September 20, 2014 12:21:01 PM


Corsair RM PSUs are of VERY good quality, but AX units are even better.
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a b 4 Gaming
September 20, 2014 12:21:53 PM

Dat_Robot said:
okcnaline said:
That's too much money on the case. The motherboard can be cheaper. The PSU doesn't look good in this rig (better for low-ended rigs). The RAM is a bit expensive. So here's something majorly better:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£230.00 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£24.96 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£99.56 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£117.34 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£77.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£52.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card (£469.18 @ Aria PC)
Case: Corsair 230T Windowed-BLUE ATX Mid Tower Case (£67.95 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£87.99 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£10.98 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£69.65 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £1308.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-20 20:10 BST+0100


ASUS boards are much better than MSI's.

Agreed^:) 
Which company, IYO, do you think have the best QC and will actually HELP you?
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a b 4 Gaming
September 20, 2014 12:23:00 PM


But the part about the G2 is right, few units are better than the Super Flower Leadex Gold platform.
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September 20, 2014 12:26:03 PM

zeyuanfu said:
Dat_Robot said:
Get a DDR4 Build if you want it to last long.

Take a I7-5820k and a ASUS ROG RAMPAGE V EXTREME (the X99 DELUXE is also a good mobo but it is less gaming oriented)
Other than that your build is good for future.

DDR3 will still be widely used for a few years, don't worry. It is THE most used type of DDR, used for 4-6 years.

BTW I don't believe in spending 500$ for a mobo.

@Dat_Robot, OP's budget is 1300 euros, think accordingly, please.


DDR4 is the new standard capable of putting 2x more capacity in the same stick. It is much more performant and is truly futureproof. It have a 1.2v power demand (vs 1.5 v of ddr3) and a up to a 3200 mb/s data rate.

The LGA 2011-V3 socket is the only to support ddr4 and the i7-5xxx series that have up to 8 cores!
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a b 4 Gaming
September 20, 2014 12:26:40 PM

1) I agree with the GPU. EVGA is a good brand, GPU or PSU, and the wattage on the CS is a bit low, and the quality on the CS isn't as good.

2) I like Phanteks, but it's better to save some money for better parts like the PSU.

3) Same as above
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September 20, 2014 12:30:13 PM

If you paln to buy EVGA GPUs , take the one with the ACX V 2.0 cooler
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a b 4 Gaming
September 20, 2014 12:32:47 PM

Dat_Robot said:
zeyuanfu said:
Dat_Robot said:
Get a DDR4 Build if you want it to last long.

Take a I7-5820k and a ASUS ROG RAMPAGE V EXTREME (the X99 DELUXE is also a good mobo but it is less gaming oriented)
Other than that your build is good for future.

DDR3 will still be widely used for a few years, don't worry. It is THE most used type of DDR, used for 4-6 years.

BTW I don't believe in spending 500$ for a mobo.

@Dat_Robot, OP's budget is 1300 euros, think accordingly, please.


DDR4 is the new standard capable of putting 2x more capacity in the same stick. It is much more performant and is truly futureproof. It have a 1.2v power demand (vs 1.5 v of ddr3) and a up to a 3200 mb/s data rate.

The LGA 2011-V3 socket is the only to support ddr4 and the i7-5xxx series that have up to 8 cores!

I understand, but are you really going to pay upwards of 13-14$/GB for DDR4?
BTW making a DDR4 build will take more than 1300 euros (for a quality build).
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a b 4 Gaming
September 20, 2014 12:35:10 PM

Dat_Robot said:
If you paln to buy EVGA GPUs , take the one with the ACX V 2.0 cooler

Don't do it if the airflow is bad in the case as the ACX cooler spits hot air out inside the case. Get the reference design as the hot air is evacuated through the exhaust holes to the back of the case.
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a b 4 Gaming
September 20, 2014 12:37:48 PM

Also, you can almost get 16 GB of DDR3 RAM with the money for 8 GB of DDR4. You might get fast transfers, but I have 1.5 GB of DDR2, and it's still running very smoothly.
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September 20, 2014 12:41:29 PM

I am going to stick with that case because I really like it and I wanna keep it for a loooonnnngggg time so to me, it's worth it :) 
Should I go for an i7 over the i5 or is there not much point? I changed the PSU to the EVGA G2 as suggested. I'm pretty new to this so can someone explain what the DDR4 thing mentioned above is? Someone mentioned I should change my HDD - is it worth it? Will it make much difference?

Many thanks!
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a b 4 Gaming
September 20, 2014 12:45:43 PM

Bugaloo said:
I am going to stick with that case because I really like it and I wanna keep it for a loooonnnngggg time so to me, it's worth it :) 
Should I go for an i7 over the i5 or is there not much point? I changed the PSU to the EVGA G2 as suggested. I'm pretty new to this so can someone explain what the DDR4 thing mentioned above is? Someone mentioned I should change my HDD - is it worth it? Will it make much difference?

Many thanks!

There isn't much point in getting an i7 for gaming as the extra performance is geared more toward the rendering section of computing.
DDR4 offers lower voltages and a bit better transfer speeds, but that's all you get if you are prepared to spend a lot on RAM.
WD Black HDDs are one of the best drives you can get, and with their 5 year warranty, you'll be all set. You can get lower $/GB Hdds, though.
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September 20, 2014 12:48:53 PM

zeyuanfu said:
Bugaloo said:
I am going to stick with that case because I really like it and I wanna keep it for a loooonnnngggg time so to me, it's worth it :) 
Should I go for an i7 over the i5 or is there not much point? I changed the PSU to the EVGA G2 as suggested. I'm pretty new to this so can someone explain what the DDR4 thing mentioned above is? Someone mentioned I should change my HDD - is it worth it? Will it make much difference?

Many thanks!

There isn't much point in getting an i7 for gaming as the extra performance is geared more toward the rendering section of computing.
DDR4 offers lower voltages and a bit better transfer speeds, but that's all you get if you are prepared to spend a lot on RAM.
WD Black HDDs are one of the best drives you can get, and with their 5 year warranty, you'll be all set. You can get lower $/GB Hdds, though.


Thankyou so much for the help! The point of lots of RAM is because I am considering recording videos for YouTube of myself playing games and I heard that having lots of RAM is helpful for that sorta thing?
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September 20, 2014 12:50:00 PM

Dat_Robot said:
ASUS boards are much better than MSI's.


How ? Is this user preference or fact ? What specifically for example makes the Hero better than the GD65 ? There is no "best" MoBo manufacturer. Most peeps would no longer buy a PSU based upon "brand name" ..... but now most recognize that every PSU vendor out here makes some great, stuff, decent stuff, and crappy stuff.

While I still prefer Asus boards in the $225 and up range (I prefer Asus BIOS), MSI has in recent years produced more competitive product in the $125 - $225 category..... The Asus Hero for example has been running as much as $40 - $50 more than the MSI GD65 and provides the same feature set. MSI's component quality equals or exceeds Asus' in this segment.

Behwardware site monitors RMA rates for and MSI has finished with lower RMA rates than Asus.

http://www.behardware.com/articles/843-2/components-ret...

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- MSI 1.5% (as against 2.3%)
- Gigabyte 1,6% (as against 1.6%)
- ASRock 2.1% (as against 2.0%)
- ASUS 2.2% (as against 1.9%)


Quote:
- ASRock 1.67% (against 1.90%)
- Gigabyte 1.77% (against 2.17%)
- MSI 2.24% (against 2.11%)
- ASUS 2.34% (against 2.66%)


The differences are small enough that I would be hard pressed to say that MSI is better than Asus but the above blows the "Asus quality is better than MSI's" argument outta the water. I used nothing but Asus MoBos for over ten years. But MSI's star has been on the rise for the last cupla years....and the enthusiast community has taken notice.

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MSI has been using components that meet or exceed MIL-STD-810G for some time as part of its Military Class build philosophy. Parts such as Super Ferrite Chokes that run at up to 35 degree Celsius lower temperatures, have a 30% higher current handling capacity, and a 20% improvement in power efficiency; Tantalum filled Hi-C Caps that are are up to 93% efficient; and "Dark Capacitors" that feature Lower ESR and a ten-year lifespan all tied into a PCB with improved temperature and humidity protections as part of the "Military Essentials" package......In the end MSI's Z87-GD65 is a board that comes with an expansive feature set that includes all your basics and the extras that set them apart such as the V-Check points, upper end audio, Dual BIOS ROMs, KIller Network package, Military Class IV package, and a three-year warranty. Couple that with good looks that carry the dragon theme through the board, and you have a winning combination at $189.


http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/msi_z8...

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Now and again a motherboard appears that is so obviously brilliant, and so affordable, that we wonder if anything will be able to top it. For a while that crown was held by the ASUS Sabertooth, both in X58 and then P67 variants. Then MSI stole the crown with the Z77 MPower. Looking at the Z87 GD65 Gaming we think it's going to take something extraordinary to top it, such is the perfect storm of price, performance, features and looks.

The switch to Military Class 4 has given us an extremely ready overclocker too. You're always thermally limited when overclocking and the i7-4770K is one of the most demanding around. Considering the amount of cooling we're using we think that although the GD65 is capable of bringing 5GHz from our i7-4770K you'd need a proper water loop to make the most of it.

Performance is outstanding. The stock results were a particular highlight. We know a lot of people still just like to put their CPU in and go, without overclocking it first. Despite how easy it is these days we know that the fear factor still exists. So you'll be glad to know that the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming really rocks hard even at stock settings. Naturally the overclocking is blistering too, with some OC3D records broken.

MSI have laid the gauntlet down to all the other manufacturers. Gorgeous to look at, blistering performance and all at a very affordable price, the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming is not only the new benchmark for Z87 motherboards, but probably for all motherboards.


Again, I'm not saying that the MSI boards are an overwhelmingly better choice that Asus. There's no data to support that. Only point is the quality issue is not only unsupported but strong evidence exists to the contrary. Looking at the Hero and GD65, they have pretty close to an identical feature set, both have very good quality components and both perform equally well. The GD65 tho just has one things going for it that the Hero doesn't.....it's $35 cheaper.








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September 20, 2014 12:57:22 PM

No I'm saying that for equaly priced boards the ASUS ones are better

its a FACT.
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September 20, 2014 12:58:35 PM

Bugaloo said:
I am going to stick with that case because I really like it and I wanna keep it for a loooonnnngggg time so to me, it's worth it :) 
Should I go for an i7 over the i5 or is there not much point? I changed the PSU to the EVGA G2 as suggested. I'm pretty new to this so can someone explain what the DDR4 thing mentioned above is? Someone mentioned I should change my HDD - is it worth it? Will it make much difference?

Many thanks!


If you are sketchy at overclocking, one thing to note for gaming is that the i7 is clocked 0.5 GHz higher. Otherwise it's strictly a cost things .... If ya have an extra $100 to throw around, I;d use it elsewhere before I'd get an i7.

I'm curious about the DDR4 recommendation as I am not sure how you get 288 pin X99 memory in a 240 pin Z97 mother board. As to the HD, did you look at the chart I linked ????

Seagate SSHD loads ya games at 9.78 MB/s
WD Caviar Black loads them at 6.34 MB/s

The cost the same amount and one is more than 50% faster

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September 20, 2014 1:03:58 PM

Dat_Robot said:
No I'm saying that for equaly priced boards the ASUS ones are better

its a FACT.


The published documentation above says otherwise....so no, it is not a fact.

Asus' 2.2 % failure rate is bigger than MSI's 1.5%
Asus' 2.34% failure rate is bigger than MSI's 2.24%

I'd be happy to read any published documentation you can provide saying otherwise.
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September 20, 2014 1:08:15 PM

2,6% of MSI's board are returned for failure
2,35% of ASUS'S board are returned for failure

and on the LGA 1150/1155

ASUS 2,97%
MSI 3,33%

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September 20, 2014 1:16:54 PM

Source?
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September 20, 2014 6:31:25 PM

So what we have established so far .....

In one period, Asus' 2.2 % failure rate was bigger than MSI's 1.5%
In another period, Asus' 2.34% failure rate was bigger than MSI's 2.24%

So with a 0.7% advantage and a 0.1% advantage I said "The differences are small enough that I would be hard pressed to say that MSI is better than Asus"

Now your reference says that in another period, MSI's 2.6% failure rate was 0.25% bigger than Asus. And in the previous period, again your reference, MSI was 0.03% better than Asus. So with one data set showing a 0.7 and 0.10 % advantage I couldn't say that MSI was better than Asus, yet you feel justified in saying Asus is better than MSI with another two data points one showing an advantage less than half that size and the other having Asus actually come in behind ?

Nothing's changed.....same as I sad before ..... "The differences are small enough that I would be hard pressed to say that Asus is better than MSI". What these differences mean is that Asus has 23 boards fail out of a 1,000 and MSI had 26 boards fail out of a 1000. That 3 difference is well below the standard deviation .... If you flipped a coin 1,000 times, you could get tails 503 times and heads 497 times.... go at it again and you could get 503 heads and 497 tails..... The < 0.3% difference here is not a wide enough spread to draw any conclusions which is exactly what I said when it was a 0.7% difference the other way.

We now have looked at 6 data sets, MSI had the edge on 4, Asus on 2...... still the differences are so small that "mathematically", the differences are insignificant enough so as to pick one as more reliable than the other. We can however say, they are comparable.

Everybody has "birthing issues" when bringing out a new line.... MSI went thru it with the Killer Networks NIC till it was fixed with a firmware issue, Asus went thru it with the external drives not waking from sleep issue with C1 steppings of Z87 .... this could not be fixed with a firmware update and was fixed with the C2 stepping. Asus Z87 and Z97 boards are subject to the BIOS clock freeze issue outlined in these threads

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?49989-VII-HERO...
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?49904-VII-Hero...
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?33895-Hero-Tim...
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?46242-Hero-boo...
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?45079-BIOS-Tim...
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?35490-Sabertoo...
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?47956-General-...
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?36676-Frozen-T...

A fix was announced (last link above) that unfroze the clock only to have the problem resurface over and over again. A BIOS fix was announced for non RoG boards on June 11th stating notes would include "RTC stop error cured", No such BIOS has been released .... 13 months later, we all still waiting for a solution.


I use both manufacturers, after buying Asus exclusively for 10 years, I now use Asus from $225 and up and MSI between $125 and $225 .... Things change; ..... Asus spun off Asrock so they could compete in the low budget market and the ASR boards were sold w/ just 1 and 2 year warrantees. Now since being independent, ASR has come back with industry standard 3 year warrantees and competes with Asus on their own turf. Asus was once the king of the hill, but now Gigabyte, MSI and even Asrock have competitive quality offerings at significantly lower prices.
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a b 4 Gaming
September 21, 2014 4:04:25 AM

Hmm, interesting...
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September 23, 2014 9:40:12 AM

zeyuanfu said:
Also, you can almost get 16 GB of DDR3 RAM with the money for 8 GB of DDR4. You might get fast transfers, but I have 1.5 GB of DDR2, and it's still running very smoothly.


Are you retarded ? You get much more from DDR4 than from DDR3. It may not affect gaming, but it makes a HUMONGUS difference in rendering and editing. In a few months DDR4 will be a must have for any workstation computers.
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September 23, 2014 4:00:23 PM

Dat_Robot said:
zeyuanfu said:
Also, you can almost get 16 GB of DDR3 RAM with the money for 8 GB of DDR4. You might get fast transfers, but I have 1.5 GB of DDR2, and it's still running very smoothly.


Are you retarded ? You get much more from DDR4 than from DDR3. It may not affect gaming, but it makes a HUMONGUS difference in rendering and editing. In a few months DDR4 will be a must have for any workstation computers.

So i guess you can, but it seems like you want OP to have a crap GPU with that budget.
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September 23, 2014 4:03:45 PM

Dat_Robot said:
Are you retarded ? You get much more from DDR4 than from DDR3. It may not affect gaming, but it makes a HUMONGUS difference in rendering and editing. In a few months DDR4 will be a must have for any workstation computers.


Maybe he just realizes that you can't put 288 pin DDR4 memory in a Z97 240 pin Z97 board and that you need a X99 chipset to support DDR4 which his MoBo does not have.

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September 23, 2014 4:22:16 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
Dat_Robot said:
Are you retarded ? You get much more from DDR4 than from DDR3. It may not affect gaming, but it makes a HUMONGUS difference in rendering and editing. In a few months DDR4 will be a must have for any workstation computers.


Maybe he just realizes that you can't put 288 pin DDR4 memory in a Z97 240 pin Z97 board and that you need a X99 chipset to support DDR4 which his MoBo does not have.


You're right. If DDR4 was on 240-pin, I'd snap up a kit of 2x4 GB right now:) 
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September 23, 2014 5:44:08 PM

zeyuanfu said:
You're right. If DDR4 was on 240-pin, I'd snap up a kit of 2x4 GB right now:) 


I'm printing this and showing it to my wife .... < see my sig>

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September 23, 2014 5:58:41 PM

If you could possible spend about $30-$40 more, get a Corsair H60 for the cooler. This would primarily be for aesthetic purposes but that's just me. If you don't care about aestetics and care more about performance then stay will the Hyper 212.
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September 24, 2014 6:47:41 AM

Don't waste money on the h60, it doesn't cool any better than the 212 EVO and is much louder.
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