CPU temps seem high?
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ba1023
September 21, 2014 7:14:44 PM
I will start off saying this is my first build. For a while i have been looking around trying to find out why my temps seem to be a bit higher than everyone else. Im using an i7 4770k with a CM 212 evo in a nzxt h440 case. I know the case is not the best for cooling, and maybe it could be the problem. I have an exhaust fan in the back, and two exhaust on top. 3 intake fans in the front and the EVO is in a push pull config. I idle around 40-43 and when I run OCCT it gets up into the high 80s sometimes touching 90. I never let it run longer than 5 minutes because I don't really want the temps to be that hot for too long. When playing a game, lets say WoW, I get up into the 60s sometimes 70s. I have already tried reseating the heat sink and changing out the thermal paste. Didn't really change anything. temps are the same as before. If i remember correctly, been a while since i have had the stock cooler on, the temps are basically the same as when the stock intel cooler was on. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
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Try pushing down with a little bit of force on the heatsink while applying a slight opposite force on the bac of the case when the temps start getting up there. If you can detect any significant drop of a few degrees while pushing down, you don't have it mounted right. The EVO has a thumbscrew in the center that most people don't realize is adjustable and should be tightened down prior to the last few turns of the outer four hold down screws.
Be sure not to push on anything to such a degree that you break something. You might also check your BIOS settings to be certain the fan is being controlled and that it is not set on a quiet or silent settings. Standard or turbo fan settings should be employed if you are having temperature issues. The same goes for the case fan settings.
Also make sure the cpu heatsink and psu are clean and free of any dust or junk build up.
Be sure not to push on anything to such a degree that you break something. You might also check your BIOS settings to be certain the fan is being controlled and that it is not set on a quiet or silent settings. Standard or turbo fan settings should be employed if you are having temperature issues. The same goes for the case fan settings.
Also make sure the cpu heatsink and psu are clean and free of any dust or junk build up.
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Check the fan speeds, make sure that they are clean and spinning correctly. Try adjusting the fan control to have them spin faster for better cooling.
Also, do you have an overclock?
And what is your PSU?
Do you a GPU configuration that is causing excess heat inside your case?
What is your ambient room temperatures?
Also, do you have an overclock?
And what is your PSU?
Do you a GPU configuration that is causing excess heat inside your case?
What is your ambient room temperatures?
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ba1023
September 21, 2014 7:28:09 PM
Thank you for the quick replies. I tried pushing down on the cooler but didnt notice any difference in the temperatures. After some more researching im starting to think its the voltage on the cpu. im using an MSI z87 gd65 gaming which has an automatic overclock to 3.9 ghz. the voltage is at 1.2. the power supply im using is a 1000w roswill. Right now no gpu in there at all, waiting for my 780 to come in tomorrow. room temps are around 23-25
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MT6Anime
September 21, 2014 7:28:56 PM
Take out the fan and do the following cause this is a problem and you have most likely installed the fan wrong. Please clean the fan if it has any dust in it with an air hose or vacuum. Then wipe off the thermal paste off of the CPU and fan. Re-apply the thermal paste and make to press down with some force when attaching it back onto the CPU though not to much force. If this doesn't fix it you might have a faulty fan though this is unlikely. By the way these temps are C and F right?
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ba1023 said:
Thank you for the quick replies. I tried pushing down on the cooler but didnt notice any difference in the temperatures. After some more researching im starting to think its the voltage on the cpu. im using an MSI z87 gd65 gaming which has an automatic overclock to 3.9 ghz. the voltage is at 1.2. the power supply im using is a 1000w roswill. Right now no gpu in there at all, waiting for my 780 to come in tomorrow. room temps are around 23-25I would say to reset your CPU to normal factory clock and keep an eye on the temps to see if issue has been resolved. More than likely the overclock is not very efficient and is causing the higher temps.
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ba1023
September 21, 2014 7:32:59 PM
ba1023
September 21, 2014 7:33:43 PM
MT6Anime said:
Take out the fan and do the following cause this is a problem and you have most likely installed the fan wrong. Please clean the fan if it has any dust in it with an air hose or vacuum. Then wipe off the thermal paste off of the CPU and fan. Re-apply the thermal paste and make to press down with some force when attaching it back onto the CPU though not to much force. If this doesn't fix it you might have a faulty fan though this is unlikely. By the way these temps are C and F right?Whatever. Nonsense.
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MT6Anime
September 21, 2014 7:35:08 PM
NBSN's suggestion actually makes sense, is a standard procedure to follow when dealing with temperature issues and isn't nonsensical like some other replies that never bothered to even ask any specific questions before condemning components. Disable turbo core or automatic overclocking features in the BIOS and then check temps again. Then permanent solutions can be sought from there.
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ba1023
September 21, 2014 7:41:25 PM
ba1023
September 21, 2014 7:42:14 PM
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Well the temps are much better, and are fine.
You could notice a different between 3.5 and 4 via temps and speed depending...mainly the temps will increase...and depending on the game you would get a bit more fps(mainly in CPU based games, and a bit of a performance increase in GPU based games depending on GPU usage). Since you don't have an actual GPU installed, the CPU temps were going to be higher since they were going the work of an APU. Once you get a dedicated GPU you should see load temps decrease...idle temps should stay about the same, if not the same.
After you have a dedicated GPU, then you could try either using the automatic overclock to check temps and then try manual overclock and see if you can get the temps better yourself. You should be able to get better temps then though.
You could notice a different between 3.5 and 4 via temps and speed depending...mainly the temps will increase...and depending on the game you would get a bit more fps(mainly in CPU based games, and a bit of a performance increase in GPU based games depending on GPU usage). Since you don't have an actual GPU installed, the CPU temps were going to be higher since they were going the work of an APU. Once you get a dedicated GPU you should see load temps decrease...idle temps should stay about the same, if not the same.
After you have a dedicated GPU, then you could try either using the automatic overclock to check temps and then try manual overclock and see if you can get the temps better yourself. You should be able to get better temps then though.
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ba1023
September 21, 2014 8:02:17 PM
NBSN said:
Well the temps are much better, and are fine.You could notice a different between 3.5 and 4 via temps and speed depending...mainly the temps will increase...and depending on the game you would get a bit more fps(mainly in CPU based games, and a bit of a performance increase in GPU based games depending on GPU usage). Since you don't have an actual GPU installed, the CPU temps were going to be higher since they were going the work of an APU. Once you get a dedicated GPU you should see load temps decrease...idle temps should stay about the same, if not the same.
After you have a dedicated GPU, then you could try either using the automatic overclock to check temps and then try manual overclock and see if you can get the temps better yourself. You should be able to get better temps then though.
Thank you! If I still have high temps when I get the 780 I'll probably ask on here again. Appreciate the help!
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It depends on what you're doing. For some tasks it will, gaming almost certainly, other stuff like browsing, probably not. The OC can be set manually though if you want it using the multiplier and as low a voltage as possible to minimize heat. Of course there is a process for this if you choose to do so.
If you have a 25c ambient temp then a 30c idle is probably just about right. What does it do now at full load with the OC off?
If you have a 25c ambient temp then a 30c idle is probably just about right. What does it do now at full load with the OC off?
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ba1023
September 21, 2014 8:05:29 PM
darkbreeze said:
It depends on what you're doing. For some tasks it will, gaming almost certainly, other stuff like browsing, probably not. The OC can be set manually though if you want it using the multiplier and as low a voltage as possible to minimize heat. Of course there is a process for this if you choose to do so. If you have a 25c ambient temp then a 30c idle is probably just about right. What does it do now at full load with the OC off?
I ran occt for about 5 mins and it went up to 80. Bout 10 degrees lower than before still seems a little high to me but at least it's under 90..
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That's really high IMO. My 8320 with a much higher 125w TDP that is overclocked to 4.5Ghz never gets higher than 65 or 66c even at full load in Prime with small fft or blend. A lot of that may have to do with the board and the PSU though. A low quality PSU that doesn't deliver "clean" watts like a higher quality unit can create all kinds of issues but more importantly, high quality boards are more efficient at dispersing and dissipating heat. If you have a low end board it may not tolerate an overclock well, if at all, regardless that it's designed by default to automatically do so.
And by the way, the plastic bracket that clips your fan onto your heatsink did come pre-installed onto the fan right? Is there any chance that dingbat above was right about the fan orientation? You're sure the fan is oriented to blow into the heatsink and towards one of the exhaust fans?
Edit: No offense, dingbat. You may have had a valid question but perhaps it should have been phrased as a question instead of an assumption in regard to the fan orientation.
And by the way, the plastic bracket that clips your fan onto your heatsink did come pre-installed onto the fan right? Is there any chance that dingbat above was right about the fan orientation? You're sure the fan is oriented to blow into the heatsink and towards one of the exhaust fans?
Edit: No offense, dingbat. You may have had a valid question but perhaps it should have been phrased as a question instead of an assumption in regard to the fan orientation.
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ba1023
September 21, 2014 8:13:44 PM
darkbreeze said:
That's really high IMO. My 8320 with a much higher 125w TDP that is overclocked to 4.5Ghz never gets higher than 65 or 66c even at full load in Prime with small fft or blend. A lot of that may have to do with the board and the PSU though. A low quality PSU that doesn't deliver "clean" watts like a higher quality unit can create all kinds of issues but more importantly, high quality boards are more efficient at dispersing and dissipating heat. If you have a low end board it may not tolerate an overclock well, if at all, regardless that it's designed by default to automatically do so.I didn't think the msi z87 hd 65 gaming was low end? Then again this is my first time.
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Actually, other than the fact that it's an MSI motherboard, it's not too bad. I didn't know what MB you had as you never posted your specs. In the future, just try to remember that at the beginning of any post, to include your system specs as seen at the following link. It just makes it much easier for anybody who is trying to help you to do so more quickly and get correct answers to you.
http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2299418/obtain-basic...
http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2299418/obtain-basic...
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darkbreeze said:
Actually, other than the fact that it's an MSI motherboard, it's not too bad. I didn't know what MB you had as you never posted your specs. In the future, just try to remember that at the beginning of any post, to include your system specs as seen at the following link. It just makes it much easier for anybody who is trying to help you to do so more quickly and get correct answers to you.http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2299418/obtain-basic...
Agree completely. Certain component configurations will have varying temps, so posting all of the information upfront saves a lot of time and guess work.
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September 22, 2014 7:06:12 AM
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