Why do people hate amd ?

mmdqn · Sep 23, 2014

Hello i wanted to ask why people hate on amd's apu and cpu. I dont get it why ?
1.They are cheap
2.They are fast
3.They are excelent for budget build and manage to run everygame with 60+fps on ultra(im talking about the newer 6-8 core amd processors)
So why do people hate them ?
Well yeah there are some drawbacks as of temperatures but that is all.
I think most of the people are just intel fanboys.
I have used an intel and an amd and i can tell you the difference is only in benchmarks

rockie_ · Sep 23, 2014

A lot of power draw and heat . Low single core score in tests .

swifty_morgan · Sep 23, 2014

ignorance!

TheConsiderateIlliterate · Sep 23, 2014

The mindset that more cores = more power. In theory the 8350 should be ~2x the processor as the i5-4670. However, in real life application, you'll see that the i5 outperforms more times than not.

AMD has been focused on more cores when most games haven't been utilizing them. They have become more "productivity chips" than true gaming chips.

Intel's individual core performance destroys AMD and that's where gaming power comes from.

I switched from AMD to Intel. I'm not a fanboy of either, I just prefer the components that give me the best output.

serge44 · Sep 23, 2014

I don't believe MOST people hate them. However since we basically have two main companies, most of the enthusiasts tend to lean onto one of the companies. As there are plenty of Intel fanboys, there are a bunch of AMD fanboys as well. Same thing happens with the GPUs with Nvidia vs AMD. They're convinced that the brand they have chosen to like is the best, no matter what.

Objectively speaking you're right to the point. AMD lacks single-core performance if you compare it to Intel; however, they boast a tremendous value and performance per dollar. They're a dream for budget builders.

logainofhades · Sep 23, 2014

I love AMD on the graphics side, but majorly disappointed on the CPU side. The GTX 970/980 kinda has AMD in a bind price/performance wise, but in the low end to midrange space, they dominate.

serge44 · Sep 23, 2014

TheConsiderateIlliterate :

Well, the thing is that AMD has never claimed to make chips exclusively for gaming. People use PCs for other stuff as well, you know? Gaming isn't even the most relevant application for a CPU. Video production, 3D rendering, audio production.. Software for that kind of applications is much better optimised at using all of the cores available.

RaDiKaL_ · Sep 23, 2014

Thing is you can throw a G3258 with an aftermarket cooler and OC as much as you can, and it's gonna deliver same/better performance than a FX-8350, at least when it's strictly gaming, if you take OC out of the equation an i3-4330 is cheaper than the FX-8350 and will give you same/better performance as well.

The plus side is that you get an upgrade path for your CPU all the way to a i7-4770k +, whereas with AMD you're pretty much stuck with the FX-8350, the next ones in line don't really give a noticeable boost for gaming. Productivity, rendering is another story.

mlga91 · Sep 23, 2014

Because FX cpus were a great letdown.

swifty_morgan · Sep 23, 2014

mlga91 :

there's a time when they were king of the hill. I wonder if Intel was in a hurry to get their new cpu's out the door in wake of the new stuff amd has coming up??

mlga91 · Sep 23, 2014

swifty_morgan :

I'd like to see AMD living again it's old days of glory, i really do. But intel is quite ahead right now.

DubbleClick · Sep 23, 2014

mmdqn :

So you're basically making a thread to accuse people of being "intel fanboys"? In this way?

In my personal experience, there's quite a fair share more intel than amd hate at the moment.
Intel cpu's are currently better, in every aspect but performance/price in some cases. If people recommend them over amd, thats just good advice.
Some while ago, amd dominated the cpu business, now it's the other way round. Although I'm sure amd just got as much hate back then as intel gets now.

There will always be "fanboys" trying to spit dirt over the other company, honestly a bit un-understandable to me, why people would do so. But we just have to accept it, there is no fix.

mmdqn · Sep 23, 2014

RaDiKaL_ :

you know what your comment completely turned my point of view for the amd cpu's but still i dont think an oc G3258 can outperform a fx-8350 and i totally agree with you for the upgrade part but i still think that for a budget build an amd is better

swifty_morgan · Sep 23, 2014

the g3258 could be a 10GHz processor. 2cores. still wouldn't touch it.......... maybe if I were 80 years old and looked at e-mails and only surfed the web.

RaDiKaL_ · Sep 23, 2014

Thing is being the G3258 at 65$ vs FX-8350 at 170$, the G3258 becomes a more attractive option budget wise, unless the customer doesn't wanna OC at all, even then at stock speeds the G3258 kinda keeps up with the FX-8350 as seen here (go to the lower part of the page to see gaming benchmarks):

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=1265

And once there one can change the G3258 for a i3-4330 at 120$ and it's also a better choice than the FX-8350 budget wise for gaming:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=1192

Add to that the better upgrade path and for a pure gaming pc there's simply no reason to recommend AMD over Intel, I too long for the day AMD gets back on the CPU competition, but it's been almost a decade and we're still waiting.

swifty_morgan · Sep 23, 2014

back in the 775 days everybody was saying how you don't need quad cores. I got rid of my 6850 dual and swapped in a q9550. was the best move I made. from then on out I never looked back at dual cores. there's more going on behind the scenes than is going to register on a benchmark. and that's all they are.
doing automated benchmarks and writing down numbers and sitting behind your computer doing things is a completely different thing and actually feeling the difference means a lot.

CptBarbossa · Sep 23, 2014

The g3258 is alright for gaming, but if you want to run ANY background programs you need more than 2 cores (most games run on 2, so any applications beyond just the game will cause problems).

I would say your average user wont notice any major different in most games from AMD to intel because most people play at 1080p and 60hz. Most CPU's can handle 60fps at 1080p with a good gpu since most games are gpu bound anyway. Even starcraft (a cpu intensive game) will run over 40fps on a stock athlon x4 750k.

The only point at which you would really NEED intel over AMD is when you are doing anything over 2560x1440 and/or over 60hz OR if you really dont want to upgrade for a while. Bother are viable, though I think dual core is mostly a way of the past (not including hyperthreading).

mlga91 · Sep 23, 2014

A overclocked G3258 will sweep the floor with the 8320 only in single/dual threaded apps, in multi threaded cases the 8320 will shine, bad thing is that most games only uses 2 or 4 threads.

CptBarbossa · Sep 23, 2014

Key number being 4. Anything over 2 the g3258 falls apart. If you want to play a game AND listen to music and/or have an web browser open it becomes a problem. I think most people REALLY need 4 cores, especially since future games will be more and more optimized for more cores. 2 barely squeaks by right now but soon it will be obsolete.

logainofhades · Sep 23, 2014

I wouldn't want less than an i3, personally.

CDdude55 · Sep 23, 2014

All these arguments are mostly banal, i own an FX 8120 but i acknowledge the core performance advantage Intel has had for quite sometime. They're great budget chips for multi-threaded software, but are generally pushed away by people that want core performance.(which most gamers want). Plus they have tended to output more heat and consume more power for less performance which is an atrocity.

But as i mentioned, i still own an FX 8120 and i picked it because at the time it was cheap and was and for the most part is still sufficient in keeping up with most games when paired with a decent GPU. Plus i get the extra cores in case i am running something that will put those cores to work.

I don't think it's fully about hating AMD, a lot of them are just acknowledging the lack of competition caused by AMD since the Core 2 Duo era.

CptBarbossa · Sep 23, 2014

I was going to write a huge article about this but it boils down to.

Performance; Intel > AMD
Price-to-performance: Both are competitive

If that wasn't the case AMD would simply cease to be a desktop cpu manufacturer.

This coming from an AMD fanboy (I got a thing for underdogs).

TheMagicalWallaby · Sep 23, 2014

RaDiKaL_ :

That pentium and the 8350 are in different categories. Comparing them would be like comparing an AMD 280x to a 750ti (PS I can explain that better if you would like me to, I just didn't feel like typing that out). The 8350 is more competitive with the i5's. The 6300 and 6350, and those for many games will be a better option than the Pentium if the person doesn't want to upgrade or can't afford to upgrade to a better CPU in the future. Most games can take use of up to 6 cores (I have tested this in lots of games). AMD has a place right now, and for some it is the better option, but don't get me wrong, Intel is what I generally recommend for CPU's below $100, and above $200 (with a few exceptions for below $200).

RaDiKaL_ · Sep 23, 2014

@Themagicalwallaby:

Yes obviously they're in different categories, but the main point I was focusing on was getting the best bang for your buck, and an OCed G3258 is a no brainer for someone with a very tight budget, raise your budget to around the price of the FX-8350 and a i3-4330/ i5-4670 are simply better choices for gaming, can't remark that enough.

The moment gaming+ productivity or rendering etc comes into play, then AMD is clearly a better choice in the ~150$ budget, that's why I own a FX-8320 after all

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bmacsys · Sep 23, 2014

serge44 :

TheConsiderateIlliterate :

Well, the thing is that AMD has never claimed to make chips exclusively for gaming. People use PCs for other stuff as well, you know? Gaming isn't even the most relevant application for a CPU. Video production, 3D rendering, audio production.. Software for that kind of applications is much better optimised at using all of the cores available.

You got that right! There are plenty of areas where the 8350 trades blows with an i7 at almost double the price.

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