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rohitsharma359
September 23, 2014 10:33:21 PM
HI all,
I am planning to upgrade my System. I was sure to buy an AMD FX-8350 system. But on further researching, I came to know that Intel gives better performance. Well, I am on a tight budget therefore I need you help.
First of all, let me state my requirements. I love playing Games. I am not too much bothered about the quality. I am good with playing games at 25-30 FPS and on resolution around 720p and 1600*900. I will be playing every new upcoming title. After gaming, I do multitasking a lot. There are always 6-10 programs running simultaneously on my System e.g. downloading on utorrent, 5-6 parallel downloads on IDM, playing music/ watching videos, Mozilla running with many tabs open simultaneously, may be a game minimized.
Secondly, currently I have AMD Athlon X2 260 clocked at 3.2 GHZ. And my experience with AMD has been awesome. I have been using that rig for more than 3 years now, and it's been very good. Performance wise, I have seen it beating Intel i5 1st generation on many times. Therefore, I am bit inclined towards AMD. Also, they are cheaper than Intel and I am on a tight budget so that is also a factor.
Well, talking about Intel If I have to buy Intel processor I might be buying an i5 at max and that maybe 4670.
Currently I have AMD Raedon HD 6570 2GB graphic card, but I am planning to upgrade it to R9 270X. But I will be upgrading after two to three months after upgrading my motherboard.
Please let me know, with whom I shall go. Also if possible tell me the suitable motherboard( CPU+ Motherboard budget is around $330, and I will be overclocking a bit). Also, Currently I have 450w PSU. Do I also need to upgrade my PSU? Can I upgrade it at the time of upgrading my GPU?
I am planning to upgrade my System. I was sure to buy an AMD FX-8350 system. But on further researching, I came to know that Intel gives better performance. Well, I am on a tight budget therefore I need you help.
First of all, let me state my requirements. I love playing Games. I am not too much bothered about the quality. I am good with playing games at 25-30 FPS and on resolution around 720p and 1600*900. I will be playing every new upcoming title. After gaming, I do multitasking a lot. There are always 6-10 programs running simultaneously on my System e.g. downloading on utorrent, 5-6 parallel downloads on IDM, playing music/ watching videos, Mozilla running with many tabs open simultaneously, may be a game minimized.
Secondly, currently I have AMD Athlon X2 260 clocked at 3.2 GHZ. And my experience with AMD has been awesome. I have been using that rig for more than 3 years now, and it's been very good. Performance wise, I have seen it beating Intel i5 1st generation on many times. Therefore, I am bit inclined towards AMD. Also, they are cheaper than Intel and I am on a tight budget so that is also a factor.
Well, talking about Intel If I have to buy Intel processor I might be buying an i5 at max and that maybe 4670.
Currently I have AMD Raedon HD 6570 2GB graphic card, but I am planning to upgrade it to R9 270X. But I will be upgrading after two to three months after upgrading my motherboard.
Please let me know, with whom I shall go. Also if possible tell me the suitable motherboard( CPU+ Motherboard budget is around $330, and I will be overclocking a bit). Also, Currently I have 450w PSU. Do I also need to upgrade my PSU? Can I upgrade it at the time of upgrading my GPU?
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September 23, 2014 10:42:35 PM
mrmez
September 23, 2014 10:44:39 PM
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...
With CPUs Intel have a massive advantage these days.
On GPUs, AMD have cut their prices to remain very competitive with Nv.
With CPUs Intel have a massive advantage these days.
On GPUs, AMD have cut their prices to remain very competitive with Nv.
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September 23, 2014 10:53:10 PM
CPU FX 6300
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inmho AMD FX 8350 vs any intel i5 (non K) (i am talking about new products) i would take the FX. Why? even if intel has better /core performance the FX has 8 threads and thats good considering that many games start usin all the cores posible.
So, if you have a limited budget then i would invest the extra ~40$ (price difference between a intel i5 K CPU and the FX 8350) in a better GPU.
So, if you have a limited budget then i would invest the extra ~40$ (price difference between a intel i5 K CPU and the FX 8350) in a better GPU.
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September 23, 2014 10:56:28 PM
Unless your primary usage is unzipping large files or one of the few other practical benchmarks where it wins, there really is no practical reason to get an AMD CPU in the current market if you are looking at enthusiast-level parts. I say this as an AMD lover and dedicated fan. AMD has left their enthusiast CPU segment to rot, and while they have some interesting ideas in their APUs, they've been hard pressed to make a good case for them.
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rohitsharma359 said:
Alex Kelly said:
Intel for sure. I have no bias, but Intel chips perform much better, especially for gaming. An i5 4430 or better will perform better than a 8350. It'll also consume a little over half the power.
Will Intel would be also as good as 8350 in multitasking? Also, in case of upcoming games using more cores, wouldn't it be beneficial to have 8 core processor?
8350 will probably be the better option.. For gaming ONLY the Intel would be at present but in the future the AMD would be on Par with the i5's gaming wise. But as for all the other stuff, Correct, the AMD would probably be able to handle the tabs music downloads etc etc. smoother than the i5 would.
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delaro
September 23, 2014 11:12:47 PM
Intel is the way to go especially if you can catch a sale like Micro Center has on the I5-4690k "$199" at that price AMD has nothing that can compete.
ASUS Z87M-PLUS LGA 1150 $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Intel Core i5-4690K $199
http://www.microcenter.com/product/434177/core_i5-4690k...
$298
I'm expecting you can reuse your RAM, Your power supply usage will be about the same with this setup so you can probably keep the unit unless you feel like spending a little more... ~$40.
ASUS Z87M-PLUS LGA 1150 $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Intel Core i5-4690K $199
http://www.microcenter.com/product/434177/core_i5-4690k...
$298
I'm expecting you can reuse your RAM, Your power supply usage will be about the same with this setup so you can probably keep the unit unless you feel like spending a little more... ~$40.
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Seriously guys. He is going to pair the CPU with a Radeon R9 270x. Before running into CPu bottleneking (intel or amd) he will be GPU limited in the most situations. There is a 60$ difference between the i5 4690k and the FX 8350, am am sure that he can get better performance by investing the extra 60$ into a video card and get better FPS in games.
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Every website makes the benchmarks for all the hardware so they wont hit a platform bottlenek. So to test CPUs they use the best Graphics card posible (single GPU) so they wont hit graphics bottlenek and evry CPU comes out on equal FPS. Considering he is going to use a radeon R9 270x you cant say that the advantage of the i5 will be "omg"
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crisan_tiberiu said:
Every website makes the benchmarks for all the hardware so they wont hit a platform bottlenek. So to test CPUs they use the best Graphics card posible (single GPU) so they wont hit graphics bottlenek and evry CPU comes out on equal FPS. Considering he is going to use a radeon R9 270x you cant say that the advantage of the i5 will be "omg"
I appreciate your concerns, but my post was addressed specifically at one poster arguing "You need eight cores because games will use it, no really, seriously, even though this has been the argument for years and they still don't."
That said, I still wouldn't recommend the 8350 in this case because of power. OP is already looking at potentially having to upgrade their PSU due to the R9 270X, adding an 8350 and its base TDP of 125w into the mix over an 80-something watt i5 will make it a definite requirement, potentially burning whatever cost savings the 8350 gave.
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viewtyjoe said:
crisan_tiberiu said:
Every website makes the benchmarks for all the hardware so they wont hit a platform bottlenek. So to test CPUs they use the best Graphics card posible (single GPU) so they wont hit graphics bottlenek and evry CPU comes out on equal FPS. Considering he is going to use a radeon R9 270x you cant say that the advantage of the i5 will be "omg"
I appreciate your concerns, but my post was addressed specifically at one poster arguing "You need eight cores because games will use it, no really, seriously, even though this has been the argument for years and they still don't."
That said, I still wouldn't recommend the 8350 in this case because of power. OP is already looking at potentially having to upgrade their PSU due to the R9 270X, adding an 8350 and its base TDP of 125w into the mix over an 80-something watt i5 will make it a definite requirement, potentially burning whatever cost savings the 8350 gave.
Tech of Tomorrow (and not just them) did a math concearnind power consumption between a 125W (TDP) CPU and say a 90W TDP CPU and the difference /year is between 5 and 10$ depending on the cost of your electricity. So, the argument fails imo.
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crisan_tiberiu said:
Tech of Tomorrow (and not just them) did a math concearnind power consumption between a 125W (TDP) CPU and say a 90W TDP CPU and the difference /year is between 5 and 10$ depending on the cost of your electricity. So, the argument fails imo.
This isn't concerning electricity prices, it's whether or not OP needs to buy a new PSU. $60 on a new PSU negates any cost savings from the AMD processor, and they're out the extra $5-10 in electricity now.
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i am preety sure that the extra 30W (in worst case scenario) would make a difference for that PSU. Considering that the 270x is a 180W TDP ,and lets say, nvidia recomands for theyr cards that use the same power like this card, a 500W PSu, i guess he needs to upgrade anyway. Unless it is a 80+ gold certified 450W PSU ^^
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rohitsharma359
September 24, 2014 1:45:15 AM
Well, I have to anyway upgrade my PSU. Because I will be overclocking so I need that extra power. While talking about the processors, I am still confused. I know that AMD architecture is now 2 years old & they use 32nm. While Intel is using 22nm architecture, which is said to be far better (correct me If I am wrong). Anyhow, I still feel that those extra cores would be helpful.
The price difference between those two in my country is around ($50). Yes, I can save those 5 bucks if I go with AMD and then invest in GPU and maybe go for R9 280.
The price difference between those two in my country is around ($50). Yes, I can save those 5 bucks if I go with AMD and then invest in GPU and maybe go for R9 280.
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rohitsharma359 said:
Well, I have to anyway upgrade my PSU. Because I will be overclocking so I need that extra power. While talking about the processors, I am still confused. I know that AMD architecture is now 2 years old & they use 32nm. While Intel is using 22nm architecture, which is said to be far better (correct me If I am wrong). Anyhow, I still feel that those extra cores would be helpful. The price difference between those two in my country is around ($50). Yes, I can save those 5 bucks if I go with AMD and then invest in GPU and maybe go for R9 280.
8350+R9 280 > i5+R9 270X
Better gpu will more than make up for the 5 or 6 FPS lost in games due to lower IPC on AMD CPU. Anyone who disagrees is clearly Intel biased lol.
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sparestuff
September 24, 2014 3:51:35 AM
I wouldn't upgrade to a r9 270X unless some more price drops happen, some new technology is being released from both nvidia and I can bet that Amd will be following up, resulting in some price drops. I would go with the 8350 simply because of your budget constraints and that it is a good and reasonably powerful cpu for it's price. If you do get the 8350, you also might not need to upgrade your motherboard, so that saves a bit of money as well. For the 8350, get a larger PSU, maybe 600-650W and OC it, for better performance.
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rohitsharma359
September 24, 2014 9:45:01 PM
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How much is your budget? At what resolution and graphics quality you want to play now?Now, you don't need to go too high to reach 1080p mid settings.
Well my budget is of $330 for both motherboard and CPU. I can utilize the same RAM and maybe PSU has to be bought. Well, I will be playing games at 1600*900 max, and maybe at 1280*720. Graphic Quality is from medium to high with AA off or maybe at 2X.
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September 24, 2014 9:56:32 PM
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($188.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 280 3GB DirectCU II Video Card ($203.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $541.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-25 00:56 EDT-0400
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($188.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 280 3GB DirectCU II Video Card ($203.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $541.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-25 00:56 EDT-0400
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Jermy gilert
September 24, 2014 11:23:54 PM
Intel For sure.specially as AMD chips are generally priced much lower, which means you can sometimes get extra cores for less money.
Even opting for Intel's very latest Haswell CPUs won't deliver a major leap forward in desktop power, unfortunately. Haswell processors come with the same default clock frequencies as their predecessors, the same four cores (with the mainstream sockets). Performance might edge up by 10 per cent or so, but you're most probably not going to notice any difference.
It's not all bad news, of course, particularly if you're interested in mobile computing. As our guide to Haswell explains, Haswell CPUs have new sleep states and enhanced power management which promise a major leap forward in battery life.
For instance, you should be able to leave a Haswell system on active standby, regularly grabbing emails, downloading social media updates and more, for a whole seven days on a single charge: very impressive.
Even opting for Intel's very latest Haswell CPUs won't deliver a major leap forward in desktop power, unfortunately. Haswell processors come with the same default clock frequencies as their predecessors, the same four cores (with the mainstream sockets). Performance might edge up by 10 per cent or so, but you're most probably not going to notice any difference.
It's not all bad news, of course, particularly if you're interested in mobile computing. As our guide to Haswell explains, Haswell CPUs have new sleep states and enhanced power management which promise a major leap forward in battery life.
For instance, you should be able to leave a Haswell system on active standby, regularly grabbing emails, downloading social media updates and more, for a whole seven days on a single charge: very impressive.
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James122332
September 25, 2014 12:29:06 AM
rohitsharma359
September 25, 2014 2:18:24 AM
Hey Guys, no need to argue. Yes, I want to save money as much as possible because thus by saving I can invest in a better GPU or maybe SSD Drive or get a cooler.
P.S. : I live in India therefore products there are much costlier. I gave a rough idea by talking about $330. Actually if you really wanna know my budget is Rs. 20000. I can buy from www.flipkart.com or www.snapdeal.com or www.amazon.in whatever you like.
Well, one more factor why I considered AMD was that currently I have AMD ATHLON X2. So i thought that I will firstly upgarde my mobo so that I can use my same processor, and then after a month I can go for 8350. This way, I can save money and get a system quicker.
Regarding Games, I want to be future proof for atleast two years on medium settings.
P.S. : I live in India therefore products there are much costlier. I gave a rough idea by talking about $330. Actually if you really wanna know my budget is Rs. 20000. I can buy from www.flipkart.com or www.snapdeal.com or www.amazon.in whatever you like.
Well, one more factor why I considered AMD was that currently I have AMD ATHLON X2. So i thought that I will firstly upgarde my mobo so that I can use my same processor, and then after a month I can go for 8350. This way, I can save money and get a system quicker.
Regarding Games, I want to be future proof for atleast two years on medium settings.
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rohitsharma359
September 25, 2014 2:32:32 AM
Best solution
http://www.flipkart.com/amd-3-5-am3-fx-6-core-fx-6300-f...
FX-6300 (you can get a FX-8320 which is the same as a 8350 just lower clock speeds for about Rs. 3,000 more. But the FX-6300 will be just as good for games and can OC up to about 4.7 or 4.8Ghz)
Rs. 7,599
http://www.flipkart.com/gigabyte-ga-970a-ds3p-motherboa...
A good 970 chipset motherboard that is very worthy of overclocking the FX-6300 or even a FX-8320.
Rs. 5,939
FX-6300 (you can get a FX-8320 which is the same as a 8350 just lower clock speeds for about Rs. 3,000 more. But the FX-6300 will be just as good for games and can OC up to about 4.7 or 4.8Ghz)
Rs. 7,599
http://www.flipkart.com/gigabyte-ga-970a-ds3p-motherboa...
A good 970 chipset motherboard that is very worthy of overclocking the FX-6300 or even a FX-8320.
Rs. 5,939
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rohitsharma359 said:
If I was getting that i5 system you recommend in $250 i.e. app. Rs. 15000, I would be definitely going for it. I might even have considered an i7. But the i5 alone in my country is costlier than $250.
I gave you the links to a FX-6300 and good motherboard that you can overclock on for less than Rs. 15000
for about Rs. 17000 you could get an FX-8320 instead of the FX-6300 with the same motherboard.
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sparestuff
September 25, 2014 2:38:24 AM
I can see that there are serious answers here, just that no one so far has actually given a solution which the OP has asked for. Intel, AMD, they are both okay, for your budget I'd be more inclined to go with AMD simply because of the better performance at your budget, but you could also go with a i5 if you want more single core performance. Simply put:
Multitasking + photoshop etc. = AMD
For a better gaming experience = Intel
That about summarises both of intel and AMDs strengths at this budget, and after you determine whether you want an intel or amd cpu depending on what your using your computer for, you can ask for specific cpu advice to narrow down your choices and for you to pick the very best possible cpu+mobo combo.
Multitasking + photoshop etc. = AMD
For a better gaming experience = Intel
That about summarises both of intel and AMDs strengths at this budget, and after you determine whether you want an intel or amd cpu depending on what your using your computer for, you can ask for specific cpu advice to narrow down your choices and for you to pick the very best possible cpu+mobo combo.
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I would recommend an i3 or G2358 but I don't see either of those being relevant in a couple years... No not biased... But because of the fact there dual cores, I'm almost certain Quad cores and up are gonna be the way to go after all these game ports come over from next gen due to there architectures and being 8 core system (6 of which used for games the other 2 used for running the OS and other smaller stuff)
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EllieYo
September 25, 2014 8:26:52 AM
:<<<< Well when i saw the title i knew there was gonna be somewhat of a fanboy fest in here, Wouldn't shock me if the OP was like screw it and left.
If the OP's Athlon X2 is doing him good, then a FX 6350 or 8320 on the AMD side would do him well if he wants to be on the Intel side i say like a i5 4430 or 4440 would do the trick too, OP isn't as demanding as other gamers i see.
I have 2 friends who have FX 8350's who are more demanding on their systems than the OP is and their systems have served them really well.
Would help to know the PSU, cause if money can be saved on the CPU and maybe GPU it would not be a bad idea to put the savings into a really good PSU, if you got a nice new build then i would really like it to have a neat PSU to keep stuff safe.
I would put a +1 For R9 270X that card should well do the OP too.
If it were me, I would go in the middle and do the 8320
If the OP's Athlon X2 is doing him good, then a FX 6350 or 8320 on the AMD side would do him well if he wants to be on the Intel side i say like a i5 4430 or 4440 would do the trick too, OP isn't as demanding as other gamers i see.
I have 2 friends who have FX 8350's who are more demanding on their systems than the OP is and their systems have served them really well.
Would help to know the PSU, cause if money can be saved on the CPU and maybe GPU it would not be a bad idea to put the savings into a really good PSU, if you got a nice new build then i would really like it to have a neat PSU to keep stuff safe.
I would put a +1 For R9 270X that card should well do the OP too.
If it were me, I would go in the middle and do the 8320
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Just about four weeks ago I upgraded to an i5-4690k from an FX-6300 overclocked to 4.5 Ghz. The i5 @ its stock 3.5 Ghz (3.9 Ghz turbo) literally wipes the floor with the overclocked FX in gaming. There's no contest using the same video card (GTX 770 4GB). It made me a bit angry to think of how long I let that second rate processor hold that GPU back. Its my first Intel build after 11 years and six AMD builds (its not like I didn't support the underdog). You would do well to save a bit more and get an i5. It will beat any AMD offering in almost any scenario. As for the person who says the FX paired with a better video card would make up for the decreased framerate (from the weaker CPU) vs. an superior Intel processor paired with a slightly slower GPU - as time goes by you'll always be hampered with the less powerful, less efficient CPU. I can't see the benefit in that in the long term. Been there, done that.
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