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1.65 volt RAM with G3258?

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September 24, 2014 2:25:59 PM

Hi,
I am building a budget system with the G3258, and I came across some G.SKILL 2400/10 RAM which is listed at 1.65 volts. On PCPartPicker, there was a warning about the voltage and voiding the warranty. Is 1.65 volt RAM safe? I WILL be overclocking the CPU, if that info helps.

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September 24, 2014 2:37:33 PM

It is not about the cpu but you mainboard and what it supports.
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September 24, 2014 2:37:40 PM

I usually try to stick to 1.5 volt RAM and I doubt you need 2400 mHz RAM on a G3258 build, but if you are set on it I would say it depends on the motherboard more than anything.
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September 24, 2014 2:46:59 PM

It'll be the Z97-A. Does that pose any problems?
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a b K Overclocking
September 24, 2014 2:49:01 PM

reedo_43 said:
It is not about the cpu but you mainboard and what it supports.


It is totally about the processor . The memory controller on the processor wears out faster or fails at higher voltages .

Ideally stick to 1.5 volt and , worry less about the rated MHz which will only give a small increase in performance , or often none at all in games
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September 24, 2014 2:53:30 PM

Outlander_04 said:
reedo_43 said:
It is not about the cpu but you mainboard and what it supports.


It is totally about the processor . The memory controller on the processor wears out faster or fails at higher voltages .

Ideally stick to 1.5 volt and , worry less about the rated MHz which will only give a small increase in performance , or often none at all in games

Will the controller wear out faster even if I overclock the processor?
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September 24, 2014 2:54:36 PM

Outlander_04 said:
reedo_43 said:
It is not about the cpu but you mainboard and what it supports.


It is totally about the processor . The memory controller on the processor wears out faster or fails at higher voltages .

Ideally stick to 1.5 volt and , worry less about the rated MHz which will only give a small increase in performance , or often none at all in games


Thanks, I stand corrected. It's all about learning

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a b K Overclocking
September 24, 2014 4:21:59 PM

That RAM will work great with that motherboard and CPU.

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a c 424 K Overclocking
September 24, 2014 5:19:06 PM

Yes you'll be perfectly fine, 1.5 is the 'suggested' voltage for base 1600 and under DRAM...1.6-1.65 is the norm for higher freq DRAM (2133 and above) - Intel even certifies 1.65 DRAM
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a b K Overclocking
September 24, 2014 5:41:59 PM

Actually if you use RAM rated at more than 1.5 volts you instantly void intels warranty on the processor .

Heat and extra voltage will always cause more wear on the circuits inside a processor and shorten its life . But you still may get an acceptable life from the processor anyway . In a case where you use a bargain basement processor I would use the higher voltage RAM if I had it . If I was buying new I would use only 1.5 volt
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September 25, 2014 4:15:33 PM

gskill support said:
CPU warranty is not instantly void with 1.65V RAM on any DDR3 platform.

The G3258 CPU is designed for overclocking and budget in mind, so no worries, it will be fun.

http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2119243/

Do you have any documentation from Intel that states that using 1.65 volt RAM doesn't void the warranty?
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a b K Overclocking
September 25, 2014 4:22:59 PM

gskill support said:
CPU warranty is not instantly void with 1.65V RAM on any DDR3 platform.

The G3258 CPU is designed for overclocking and budget in mind, so no worries, it will be fun.

http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2119243/


https://communities.intel.com/message/202197
http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=88501
http://club.myce.com/f7/sandy-bridge-1-65-volt-dram-voi...

I do not know which pile of sand you have your head buried in , or if you think its ok to spread misinformation to sell product
But intel do void warranties on their processors if you use higher voltage RAM

It will cause faster wear at the very least , but if the OP has this RAM he will probably be fine
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a b K Overclocking
September 26, 2014 11:50:49 AM

Sure, they reserve the right based on information provided to them. But it is clear that enthusiast level is 1.65V, which is where Intel XMP comes into play. As you can see here, even top-end G.Skill DDR3-3000 1.65V kits are certified by Intel:

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/extreme-m...

Overclocking involves raising voltage, so whether it's CPU frequency or DRAM frequency, as long as overclocking is conducted in a proper manner there is no issue. :) 
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a c 424 K Overclocking
September 26, 2014 12:24:17 PM

gskill support said:
Sure, they reserve the right based on information provided to them. But it is clear that enthusiast level is 1.65V, which is where Intel XMP comes into play. As you can see here, even top-end G.Skill DDR3-3000 1.65V kits are certified by Intel:

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/extreme-m...

Overclocking involves raising voltage, so whether it's CPU frequency or DRAM frequency, as long as overclocking is conducted in a proper manner there is no issue. :) 


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+1 and check the links for the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility which has been around for a few years for OCing Intel CPUs

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?Dwnld...

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a b K Overclocking
September 26, 2014 12:59:44 PM

gskill support said:
Sure, they reserve the right based on information provided to them. But it is clear that enthusiast level is 1.65V, which is where Intel XMP comes into play. As you can see here, even top-end G.Skill DDR3-3000 1.65V kits are certified by Intel:

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/extreme-m...

Overclocking involves raising voltage, so whether it's CPU frequency or DRAM frequency, as long as overclocking is conducted in a proper manner there is no issue. :) 


So if you lie to them and say you werent using 1.65 volt RAM then they give you a warranty?

Far better to just buy 1.5 volt RAM
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September 26, 2014 1:01:56 PM

Outlander_04 said:
gskill support said:
Sure, they reserve the right based on information provided to them. But it is clear that enthusiast level is 1.65V, which is where Intel XMP comes into play. As you can see here, even top-end G.Skill DDR3-3000 1.65V kits are certified by Intel:

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/extreme-m...

Overclocking involves raising voltage, so whether it's CPU frequency or DRAM frequency, as long as overclocking is conducted in a proper manner there is no issue. :) 


So if you lie to them and say you werent using 1.65 volt RAM then they give you a warranty?

Far better to just buy 1.5 volt RAM

I checked the link G.SKILL Support gave me and it actually CERTIFIES 1.65 RAM, st least with the 4690K, 4790K, etc.
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a c 424 K Overclocking
September 26, 2014 1:06:58 PM

Yes they certify DRAM at 1.65 and have for awhile now....this is sort of like you'll automatically void your warranty if you OC their CPUs, but the have tools available for just that purpose, just like they certify 1.65 DRAM
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September 26, 2014 1:11:44 PM

Tradesman1 said:
Yes they certify DRAM at 1.65 and have for awhile now....this is sort of like you'll automatically void your warranty if you OC their CPUs, but the have tools available for just that purpose, just like they certify 1.65 DRAM

Do CPUs actually tend to fail (within the first 2-3 years, at least)? If not, then you can just lose the warranty...
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a c 424 K Overclocking
September 26, 2014 1:15:05 PM

Seldom, generally if a CPU fails it's within the first few days, unless it's really abused, I haven't seen any failures in years (except from quasi intentional abuse - OCing to extremes, doing suicide shots, etc) I've still got systems out there running from 2007 and earlier and many of them are OCed and run 24/7
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September 26, 2014 1:18:51 PM

Would the g3258 be likely to fail after a few days when OCed at around 4 GHz?
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a c 424 K Overclocking
September 26, 2014 1:26:27 PM

No, and if it does, it would be that you got a bad one, so that's a good thing as you can generally exchange defective merchandise direct through the re/e-tailer within 30 days or so rather than have to RMA through the manufacturer (Intel) which can take longer....that's one reason most users and builders like to run stress tests on rigs once built - to try and ferret out weak or bad components
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a b K Overclocking
September 26, 2014 1:37:50 PM

Not at all, 4.0GHz is very conservative.

Jayashree Bhargava, High End Desktop and Over-clocking Client Application Engineer at Intel Corporation showed us at IDF 2014 San Francisco that 4.2GHz can be reached in 1 minute.

CPU overclocking is not new, and if you search the web, many people have overclocked systems for many, many years. Rarely do you read a CPU has failed because it has been overclocked for 5 years.. etc. etc. Good thing is Intel is beginning to support this due to increased popularity, so hopefully in the future this gap between standard and enthusiast will be more clear.

As far as warranty, any manufacturer should not need to replace hardware that has been abused. Like I said, whether it's RAM or CPU, as long as added voltage and overclocking is done correctly, you should encounter no issues. Even for G.Skill RAM, you can overclock it, raise voltage, etc. But If you have no idea what's going on, you input 1.80V for DDR3 just to see what happens and you get a burnt smell with burnt chips.. if you come to us with that, we can't warranty that. The higher the voltage, the more sensitive and experienced you need to be. Extreme overclockers run extreme voltages all the time, which is how they break records not hardware.

Your main concern is CPU heat. With more voltage, higher CPU speed, higher DRAM speed, more memory modules, all that adds heat and stress to the CPU. If CPU temperature becomes out of range, degradation occurs. So make sure you have a good aftermarket CPU cooler, frequently monitor temps esp during overclock testing, the CPU life will be fine if it stays within temperature range.
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September 26, 2014 1:51:01 PM

OK. So with 1.65 volt rated sticks of RAM, can I undervolt them (probably possible but I need this confirmed)?
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a c 424 K Overclocking
September 26, 2014 2:50:39 PM

Sure, no need to, but say you went 2400/10, at 1866 or 1600 would prob run 1.5 or less
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September 26, 2014 3:42:47 PM

Would 2400/10 at 1.5 volts be possible (it'd be nice if it were)?
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a b K Overclocking
September 26, 2014 3:46:04 PM

DDR3-2133 9-11-11-31 1.60V
DDR3-1866 8-9-9-24 1.60V
DDR3-1600 7-8-8-24 1.50V
and many options in between..

It will be a very flexible system and fun to play with since all multipliers are unlocked. That is what Intel had in mind for this processor and the other K and X series CPUs.

Edit: No, DDR3-2400 CL10 is what the RAM is rated for at 1.65V. Although, you can raise timing like CL11 to lower DRAM Voltage.

Set DRAM Frequency to DDR3-2400, DRAM Voltage 1.50V, 12-12-12-31, and see if that can work. If so, you can try to lower CL to see if that can pass.
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September 26, 2014 3:48:12 PM

Interesting...
Thanks for all of the info! I found some more affordable 2133/10 RAM at 1.6 volts.
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