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September 24, 2014 6:52:07 PM

Hey all you smart people! I am going to be building a gaming PC soon and I was wondering what will out perform. The GTX 780 ti or any of the GTX 980's? all of the 980's shown on pcpartpicker are cheaper than the 780 i had selected for $620.

Here is the current build I have. Please feel free to change the GPU maintaining the same or better price and not loosing any performance


http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JcqgZL

Thanks dudes!

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September 24, 2014 6:53:42 PM

980 outperforms the 780Ti
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September 24, 2014 6:55:25 PM

NBSN said:
980 outperforms the 780Ti


So ANY of the 980's shown on PCpartpicker will out perform the 780 ti i had selected?
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September 24, 2014 7:01:01 PM

The reference 980 will outperform the reference 780Ti...and any 780 should be at least slightly outperform the 780Ti you selected. And the 980 is cheaper.
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September 24, 2014 7:01:23 PM

GTX 970 is the answer


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September 24, 2014 7:02:04 PM

NBSN said:
The reference 980 will outperform the reference 780Ti...and any 980 should be at least slightly outperform the 780Ti you selected. And the 980 is cheaper.


FIFY
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September 24, 2014 7:02:43 PM

As you can see by the above post...980 is best choice.
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September 24, 2014 7:03:32 PM

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GTX 970 is the answer


You have a point there. 780ti-class performance for $330 with way less power draw, heat, and noise? Yes please.

That being said, you also can't get a 970 with a stock cooler on it... doesn't make a lot of difference for a lot of people, but for me, it's a downside.
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September 24, 2014 7:03:51 PM

DarkSable said:
NBSN said:
The reference 980 will outperform the reference 780Ti...and any 980 should be at least slightly outperform the 780Ti you selected. And the 980 is cheaper.


FIFY


Thanks.
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September 24, 2014 7:04:21 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

780 TI $429.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

980 $549

$125 for +1GB Vram + 10% performance boost and a little less power draw? = :no:  - upto you though.

Also save $114 and go for Intel Core i5-4690K rather than i7 if you are gaming and basic video editing (I noticed your gaming keyboard)

Conclusion:

Downgrade i7 to i5-4690K
Choose 780 Ti

Savings : ~$250
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September 24, 2014 7:08:24 PM

^ A LOT less power draw, plus less heat, plus less noise.

But yes, that's a fair point, but then you consider that the 970 is $330 and gives basically the same performance as that 780ti you linked... Knock off another $100


(Good call on the i5, though; I didn't even notice.)
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September 24, 2014 7:08:34 PM

Have you checked on GTX 780 Ti prices lately? Newegg has a Asus DirectCU OC for $450 + free copy of Borderlands the Pre-Sequel and the Zotac AMP! Superclocked for $430 + free Borderlands. That's more than $100 less than a GTX 980 and a better value I would think.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Ha, beaten to the point. Great minds think alike.
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September 24, 2014 7:11:00 PM

Wow, I did not even see the 780Ti get that price drop...thanks for letting me know.
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September 24, 2014 7:11:27 PM

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Have you checked on GTX 780 Ti prices lately? Newegg has a Asus DirectCU OC for $450 + free copy of Borderlands the Pre-Sequel and the Zotac AMP! Superclocked for $430 + free Borderlands. That's more than $100 less than a GTX 980 and a better value I would think.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


See my ninja post above. ;) 

Go watch this video comparing the 970, 780ti, and 980 side by side in Crysis 3. The 780ti has slightly higher framerates on average, but worse spikes down when it does lag.

Makes a lot more sense to get the more modern, cooler, quieter, significantly cheaper card, doesn't it?
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September 24, 2014 7:12:38 PM

DarkSable said:
17seconds said:
Have you checked on GTX 780 Ti prices lately? Newegg has a Asus DirectCU OC for $450 + free copy of Borderlands the Pre-Sequel and the Zotac AMP! Superclocked for $430 + free Borderlands. That's more than $100 less than a GTX 980 and a better value I would think.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


See my ninja post above. ;) 

Go watch this video comparing the 970, 780ti, and 980 side by side in Crysis 3. The 780ti has slightly higher framerates on average, but worse spikes down when it does lag.

Makes a lot more sense to get the more modern, cooler, quieter, significantly cheaper card, doesn't it?


The added VRAM is a huge bonus in my opinion...and the definitely DirectX 12.

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September 24, 2014 7:23:06 PM

Serioulsy consider downgrading the CPU to an i5.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gaming-cpu-review-overclo...

Let me ask you a question; would you pay $114 for a ~1% performance increase in gaming ? - don't waste your money put it towards a better SSD E.G the PRO not the EVO.

By the way, i own the Plantronics 780 headset - it's superb!
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September 24, 2014 7:38:48 PM

i7 4790K is clocked at 4GHz and is great !

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($338.95 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z97X Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($122.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB ACX Video Card ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Antec EarthWatts Green 650W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($76.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VN247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($164.30 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Logitech K120 Wired Standard Keyboard ($9.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1464.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-24 22:37 EDT-0400
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September 24, 2014 7:49:55 PM

Okay, I was just eating dinner and I come back and WHAM all of this info for me to look through! HOLY CRAP! Okay I want the i7 because when I do get the computer I want to be able to render videos VERY fast! I know you say it may not be worth it but that is my choice. As for the GPU, could some one just send me the same build with the proper adjustments in the GPU for me? Im still a little bit of a noob at this so I dont understand EVERYTHING you all are saying. Correct me if im wrong but here is what im think you are saying to do:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/27pPvK
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September 24, 2014 7:57:44 PM

GetOwnedGaming said:

Thank you for the suggestion! I would like to keep the 850W though!

Good call. Anything less than 850 watts is basically ruling out the possibility of ever adding another card for SLI.
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September 24, 2014 7:59:23 PM

GetOwnedGaming said:
Okay, I was just eating dinner and I come back and WHAM all of this info for me to look through! HOLY CRAP! Okay I want the i7 because when I do get the computer I want to be able to render videos VERY fast! I know you say it may not be worth it but that is my choice. As for the GPU, could some one just send me the same build with the proper adjustments in the GPU for me? Im still a little bit of a noob at this so I dont understand EVERYTHING you all are saying. Correct me if im wrong but here is what im think you are saying to do:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/27pPvK


You are looking at a difference of seconds for rendering videos. I fear you are falling into the i7 bracket for the wrong reasons without really understanding why you want an i7. If you were a 3D artist and when time means money i.e. saving 1hr on rendering times every day adds up...

Its your build i'm just recommending spending you money elsewhere into where you will see the difference.

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September 24, 2014 8:04:07 PM

Jonathan Cave said:
GetOwnedGaming said:
Okay, I was just eating dinner and I come back and WHAM all of this info for me to look through! HOLY CRAP! Okay I want the i7 because when I do get the computer I want to be able to render videos VERY fast! I know you say it may not be worth it but that is my choice. As for the GPU, could some one just send me the same build with the proper adjustments in the GPU for me? Im still a little bit of a noob at this so I dont understand EVERYTHING you all are saying. Correct me if im wrong but here is what im think you are saying to do:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/27pPvK


You are looking at a difference of seconds for rendering videos. I fear you are falling into the i7 bracket for the wrong reasons without really understanding why you want an i7. If you were a 3D artist and when time means money i.e. saving 1hr on rendering times every day adds up...

Its your build i'm just recommending spending you money elsewhere into where you will see the difference.



Without the i7 will I be able to render and record at the same time? Im not sure if I will be using fraps, dxtory, or shadowplay.
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September 24, 2014 8:07:55 PM

yes he 700 series GPU will start to drop and so with the r9 200's from ATI, since the R9 300 series will debut tomorrow
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September 24, 2014 8:08:21 PM

GetOwnedGaming said:
Jonathan Cave said:
GetOwnedGaming said:
Okay, I was just eating dinner and I come back and WHAM all of this info for me to look through! HOLY CRAP! Okay I want the i7 because when I do get the computer I want to be able to render videos VERY fast! I know you say it may not be worth it but that is my choice. As for the GPU, could some one just send me the same build with the proper adjustments in the GPU for me? Im still a little bit of a noob at this so I dont understand EVERYTHING you all are saying. Correct me if im wrong but here is what im think you are saying to do:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/27pPvK


You are looking at a difference of seconds for rendering videos. I fear you are falling into the i7 bracket for the wrong reasons without really understanding why you want an i7. If you were a 3D artist and when time means money i.e. saving 1hr on rendering times every day adds up...

Its your build i'm just recommending spending you money elsewhere into where you will see the difference.



Without the i7 will I be able to render and record at the same time? Im not sure if I will be using fraps, dxtory, or shadowplay.


I use shadowplay every day and make videos, typically for Arma 3 life and on my i5 4670k (the old version of the i5 i'm recommending to you)

I have the same Evo 212 HSF as you.

The only time you'll see a difference is in multi-thread applications - which of these do you currently use ? :ange:  It's your money my friend but everyone on these forums will tell you if you are a gamer with the odd light home editing / video work an i5 is more than capable. People buy i7's and pay the extra money and never see the benefit from them as they simply won't use multi-thread applications.

I'd recommend this build which is $102 less, with a faster SSD.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pzhzpg
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pzhzpg/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($224.73 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.52 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($128.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($104.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Red Pro 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($233.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card ($549.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec HCG M 850W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.98 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VN247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($164.30 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow Ultimate 2014 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Plantronics GameCom 780 7.1 Channel Headset ($71.20 @ B&H)
Total: $2069.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-24 23:05 EDT-0400

with the Devil's Canyon you can seriously overclock that cpu compared to previous haswells.
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September 24, 2014 8:19:47 PM

Jonathan Cave said:
GetOwnedGaming said:
Jonathan Cave said:
GetOwnedGaming said:
Okay, I was just eating dinner and I come back and WHAM all of this info for me to look through! HOLY CRAP! Okay I want the i7 because when I do get the computer I want to be able to render videos VERY fast! I know you say it may not be worth it but that is my choice. As for the GPU, could some one just send me the same build with the proper adjustments in the GPU for me? Im still a little bit of a noob at this so I dont understand EVERYTHING you all are saying. Correct me if im wrong but here is what im think you are saying to do:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/27pPvK


You are looking at a difference of seconds for rendering videos. I fear you are falling into the i7 bracket for the wrong reasons without really understanding why you want an i7. If you were a 3D artist and when time means money i.e. saving 1hr on rendering times every day adds up...

Its your build i'm just recommending spending you money elsewhere into where you will see the difference.



Without the i7 will I be able to render and record at the same time? Im not sure if I will be using fraps, dxtory, or shadowplay.


I use shadowplay every day and make videos, typically for Arma 3 life and on my i5 4670k (the old version of the i5 i'm recommending to you)

I have the same Evo 212 HSF as you.

The only time you'll see a difference is in multi-thread applications - which of these do you currently use ? :ange:  It's your money my friend but everyone on these forums will tell you if you are a gamer with the odd light home editing / video work an i5 is more than capable. People buy i7's and pay the extra money and never see the benefit from them as they simply won't use multi-thread applications.

I'd reccomend this build which is $102 less, with a faster SSD.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pzhzpg
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pzhzpg/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($224.73 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.52 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($128.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($104.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Red Pro 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($233.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card ($549.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec HCG M 850W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.98 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VN247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($164.30 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow Ultimate 2014 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Plantronics GameCom 780 7.1 Channel Headset ($71.20 @ B&H)
Total: $2069.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-24 23:05 EDT-0400



Thank you all so much for the feedback! <3 I think I will use that build Jonathan Cave! This thread is FAR from closed! I have found my answers but feel free to post ANY opinions that you have at all! I love to see what all of you think! I forgot to make this a NON solution post. Anyway thank you all so much for helping me with this! If you all could give me a hand with this post too that would be GREAT!

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2311250/good-inter...
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September 24, 2014 8:27:03 PM

Jonathan Cave said:
GetOwnedGaming said:
Okay, I was just eating dinner and I come back and WHAM all of this info for me to look through! HOLY CRAP! Okay I want the i7 because when I do get the computer I want to be able to render videos VERY fast! I know you say it may not be worth it but that is my choice. As for the GPU, could some one just send me the same build with the proper adjustments in the GPU for me? Im still a little bit of a noob at this so I dont understand EVERYTHING you all are saying. Correct me if im wrong but here is what im think you are saying to do:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/27pPvK


You are looking at a difference of seconds for rendering videos. I fear you are falling into the i7 bracket for the wrong reasons without really understanding why you want an i7. If you were a 3D artist and when time means money i.e. saving 1hr on rendering times every day adds up...

Its your build i'm just recommending spending you money elsewhere into where you will see the difference.



the i7 would stomp the i5 in renders, video or 3D. Just make sure you have enough system RAM too which gets eaten up quick in renders.
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September 24, 2014 8:30:54 PM

I feel i need to throw this curve ball in; Do you plan to overclock your CPU ?

The reason i ask is you have an EVO 212 HSF - which is great for mild to medium overclocks?

If you don't want to tinker round with the bios etc.. and overclock then, use the STOC fan and get a different processor - which again will save you more money, but think hard because it would be real shitty to be 2yrs down the line and think "i want to overclock" to find you cant.

with the CPU i've recommended people have managed to get upto 4.9Ghz - on your HSF i'd say 4.4 - 4.6 is really achievable but depends on the chip and the temps
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September 24, 2014 8:35:13 PM

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Jonathan Cave said:
GetOwnedGaming said:
Okay, I was just eating dinner and I come back and WHAM all of this info for me to look through! HOLY CRAP! Okay I want the i7 because when I do get the computer I want to be able to render videos VERY fast! I know you say it may not be worth it but that is my choice. As for the GPU, could some one just send me the same build with the proper adjustments in the GPU for me? Im still a little bit of a noob at this so I dont understand EVERYTHING you all are saying. Correct me if im wrong but here is what im think you are saying to do:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/27pPvK


You are looking at a difference of seconds for rendering videos. I fear you are falling into the i7 bracket for the wrong reasons without really understanding why you want an i7. If you were a 3D artist and when time means money i.e. saving 1hr on rendering times every day adds up...

Its your build i'm just recommending spending you money elsewhere into where you will see the difference.



the i7 would stomp the i5 in renders, video or 3D. Just make sure you have enough system RAM too which gets eaten up quick in renders.


I agree, but for gaming and your typical youtuber - the difference is negligible, never-mind noticeable. From what i gather this chap isn't setting renders away which takes 6-8hrs per render.

The i7 is a great chip, but i see so many people buy i7's and just use it for gaming and the odd video render here and there , that its a waste of money.
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September 24, 2014 8:38:02 PM

Jonathan Cave said:
Beezy said:
Jonathan Cave said:
GetOwnedGaming said:
Okay, I was just eating dinner and I come back and WHAM all of this info for me to look through! HOLY CRAP! Okay I want the i7 because when I do get the computer I want to be able to render videos VERY fast! I know you say it may not be worth it but that is my choice. As for the GPU, could some one just send me the same build with the proper adjustments in the GPU for me? Im still a little bit of a noob at this so I dont understand EVERYTHING you all are saying. Correct me if im wrong but here is what im think you are saying to do:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/27pPvK


You are looking at a difference of seconds for rendering videos. I fear you are falling into the i7 bracket for the wrong reasons without really understanding why you want an i7. If you were a 3D artist and when time means money i.e. saving 1hr on rendering times every day adds up...

Its your build i'm just recommending spending you money elsewhere into where you will see the difference.



the i7 would stomp the i5 in renders, video or 3D. Just make sure you have enough system RAM too which gets eaten up quick in renders.


I agree, but for gaming and your typical youtuber - the difference is negligible, never-mind noticeable. From what i gather this chap isn't setting renders away which takes 6-8hrs per render.

The i7 is a great chip, but i see so many people buy i7's and just use it for gaming and the odd video render here and there , that its a waste of money.


I plan to upload two videos every other day.
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September 24, 2014 8:39:54 PM

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CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($224.73 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.52 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($128.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($104.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Red Pro 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($233.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card ($549.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec HCG M 850W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.98 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VN247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($164.30 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow Ultimate 2014 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Plantronics GameCom 780 7.1 Channel Headset ($71.20 @ B&H)
Total: $2069.62



Thank you all so much for the feedback! <3 I think I will use that build Jonathan Cave! This thread is FAR from closed! I have found my answers but feel free to post ANY opinions that you have at all! I love to see what all of you think! I forgot to make this a NON solution post. Anyway thank you all so much for helping me with this![/quotemsg]

Just to give you some other opinions:

1) Great pick on the processor and cooler. That will seriously do everything you want it to and more, even before you overclock it.

2) That's a good motherboard, especially for the price, but I tend to shy away from MSI just because of a couple experiences with customer service. (But I believe they do the same thing as Asus, where their service in north america is contracted out and varies depending on your location, so your results may vary.)

3) 16GB of ram is just silly, especially with ram being as expensive as it is now. DDR3-2133 is also a waste of money that you simply aren't going to notice, and probably won't run that fast because of the motherboard.

8GB of ram is enough to simultaneously run battlefield 3, a project in photoshop, and 30 tabs in chrome. With over 100 tabs open in chrome, I use about 4.6GB of RAM... or about 60% of my 8GB.

As for the clock speed, remember that it's absolutely meaningless without the timings to let you calculate how much latency it actually has. The difference between that ram and 1600MHz, Cas 9 standard stuff, of which 8GB will be about $70, will be so small that you wouldn't be able to tell them apart if they were side by side.

4) Great pick on the SSD, but I would consider that WD Red. Reds are made for use in NAS situations where they're on all the time but not getting written to as often. I would take a 2 or 3 TB WD black or better yet, certain models of toshiba (which will be the fastest and most reliable option), over that pick, especially since it's $240! A 2TB toshiba will only run you $80.

5) Yep. No issues with the graphics card. Might be worth it to go with the Asus that's $10 more and has a slightly higher clock speed, if you aren't going to be overclocking your graphics card.

6) No problem with the case, but that power supply is an issue. That system is only going to be drawing about 400w at load - why in the world would you get a $120, 850w power supply? Get a SeaSonic G-550w for $70, or a 750w PSU if you wanted to get a second 980 in the future and overclock your graphics cards AND processor. People aren't used to just how screaming efficient these new graphics cards are yet.

7) Meh. I wouldn't even bother with the CD reader, but that's just me, and mostly for aesthetics. Good pick on 8.1 64-bit.

8) I don't know of the top of my head, is that blackwidow the new one with razor's proprietary switches? If so, leap on it.

9) Really? A $160 monitor paired with a $1800 gaming computer? I would get either a 1080p, 120Hz BenQ, a 1440p, 60Hz IPS (if that's your thing) for $400, or the 1440p, 144Hz, 8-bit color, G-Sync Asus Swift, which blows almost any competitor out of the water, but is $700. I'm just saying, pairing a graphics card as powerful as a 980 with a dinky little 1080p vanilla screen seems odd.

10) If you want, there are better options for sound... I don't know how much of an audiophile you are or what your budget is, but if you're interested, talk to me.
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September 24, 2014 8:39:54 PM

Jonathan Cave said:
I feel i need to throw this curve ball in; Do you plan to overclock your CPU ?

The reason i ask is you have an EVO 212 HSF - which is great for mild to medium overclocks?

If you don't want to tinker round with the bios etc.. and overclock then, use the STOC fan and get a different processor - which again will save you more money, but think hard because it would be real shitty to be 2yrs down the line and think "i want to overclock" to find you cant.

with the CPU i've recommended people have managed to get upto 4.9Ghz - on your HSF i'd say 4.4 - 4.6 is really achievable but depends on the chip and the temps


I dont know if I want to over clock, that is why I am getting an unlocked CPU.
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September 24, 2014 8:42:31 PM

GetOwnedGaming said:
Jonathan Cave said:
Beezy said:
Jonathan Cave said:
GetOwnedGaming said:
Okay, I was just eating dinner and I come back and WHAM all of this info for me to look through! HOLY CRAP! Okay I want the i7 because when I do get the computer I want to be able to render videos VERY fast! I know you say it may not be worth it but that is my choice. As for the GPU, could some one just send me the same build with the proper adjustments in the GPU for me? Im still a little bit of a noob at this so I dont understand EVERYTHING you all are saying. Correct me if im wrong but here is what im think you are saying to do:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/27pPvK


You are looking at a difference of seconds for rendering videos. I fear you are falling into the i7 bracket for the wrong reasons without really understanding why you want an i7. If you were a 3D artist and when time means money i.e. saving 1hr on rendering times every day adds up...

Its your build i'm just recommending spending you money elsewhere into where you will see the difference.



the i7 would stomp the i5 in renders, video or 3D. Just make sure you have enough system RAM too which gets eaten up quick in renders.


I agree, but for gaming and your typical youtuber - the difference is negligible, never-mind noticeable. From what i gather this chap isn't setting renders away which takes 6-8hrs per render.

The i7 is a great chip, but i see so many people buy i7's and just use it for gaming and the odd video render here and there , that its a waste of money.


I plan to upload two videos every other day.


Read This for a Gaming Comparison

Read This for a Video/Editing Comparison

As you can see, There isn't much difference at all between the two - but $120!
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September 24, 2014 8:43:31 PM

GetOwnedGaming said:
I plan to upload two videos every other day.


Absolutely no reason to pay $100 more for an i7, at least not in my eyes.

You'll be able to render a video ridiculously quickly with an overclocked i5, and an i7 is about 6% faster when both are overclocked.

EDIT: Dang, ninja'ed... with the same proof that I linked!
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September 24, 2014 8:44:36 PM

and i7 and 16GB of RAM is NOT a waste for rendering, its a safe bet. A waste would be spending more than 500 on a machine that serves two main purposes and not just doing it right the first time around (by spending a bit more, to save you upgrades in the future).

just using photoshop + IDEs (aptana and eclipse) my 8GB would get used up and I would get windows warnings messages about not having enough RAM. My next upgrade is another 4GB stick (going from 8 to 12 should help).
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September 24, 2014 8:44:52 PM

So does anyone ever factor in the cost of MS Office in their build? How do you plan to open Word documents?
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September 24, 2014 8:48:18 PM

17seconds said:
So does anyone ever factor in the cost of MS Office in their build? How do you plan to open Word documents?


I already own a 5 PC copy for widows 8.1 I can use!
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September 24, 2014 8:53:06 PM

Jonathan Cave said:
GetOwnedGaming said:
Jonathan Cave said:
Beezy said:
Jonathan Cave said:
GetOwnedGaming said:
Okay, I was just eating dinner and I come back and WHAM all of this info for me to look through! HOLY CRAP! Okay I want the i7 because when I do get the computer I want to be able to render videos VERY fast! I know you say it may not be worth it but that is my choice. As for the GPU, could some one just send me the same build with the proper adjustments in the GPU for me? Im still a little bit of a noob at this so I dont understand EVERYTHING you all are saying. Correct me if im wrong but here is what im think you are saying to do:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/27pPvK


You are looking at a difference of seconds for rendering videos. I fear you are falling into the i7 bracket for the wrong reasons without really understanding why you want an i7. If you were a 3D artist and when time means money i.e. saving 1hr on rendering times every day adds up...

Its your build i'm just recommending spending you money elsewhere into where you will see the difference.



the i7 would stomp the i5 in renders, video or 3D. Just make sure you have enough system RAM too which gets eaten up quick in renders.


I agree, but for gaming and your typical youtuber - the difference is negligible, never-mind noticeable. From what i gather this chap isn't setting renders away which takes 6-8hrs per render.

The i7 is a great chip, but i see so many people buy i7's and just use it for gaming and the odd video render here and there , that its a waste of money.


I plan to upload two videos every other day.


Read This for a Gaming Comparison

Read This for a Video/Editing Comparison

As you can see, There isn't much difference at all between the two - but $120!


wow nice links, in my head when I think renders I think 3D but I guess OP doesn't do any 3D work (so I assume)
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September 24, 2014 8:54:10 PM

17seconds said:
So does anyone ever factor in the cost of MS Office in their build? How do you plan to open Word documents?


BAHAHA your'e joking right?
OpenOffice and LibreOffice
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September 25, 2014 9:13:29 AM

DarkSable said:
17seconds said:

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($224.73 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.52 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($128.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($104.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Red Pro 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($233.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card ($549.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec HCG M 850W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.98 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VN247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($164.30 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow Ultimate 2014 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Plantronics GameCom 780 7.1 Channel Headset ($71.20 @ B&H)
Total: $2069.62



Thank you all so much for the feedback! <3 I think I will use that build Jonathan Cave! This thread is FAR from closed! I have found my answers but feel free to post ANY opinions that you have at all! I love to see what all of you think! I forgot to make this a NON solution post. Anyway thank you all so much for helping me with this!


Just to give you some other opinions:

1) Great pick on the processor and cooler. That will seriously do everything you want it to and more, even before you overclock it.

2) That's a good motherboard, especially for the price, but I tend to shy away from MSI just because of a couple experiences with customer service. (But I believe they do the same thing as Asus, where their service in north america is contracted out and varies depending on your location, so your results may vary.)

3) 16GB of ram is just silly, especially with ram being as expensive as it is now. DDR3-2133 is also a waste of money that you simply aren't going to notice, and probably won't run that fast because of the motherboard.

8GB of ram is enough to simultaneously run battlefield 3, a project in photoshop, and 30 tabs in chrome. With over 100 tabs open in chrome, I use about 4.6GB of RAM... or about 60% of my 8GB.

As for the clock speed, remember that it's absolutely meaningless without the timings to let you calculate how much latency it actually has. The difference between that ram and 1600MHz, Cas 9 standard stuff, of which 8GB will be about $70, will be so small that you wouldn't be able to tell them apart if they were side by side.

4) Great pick on the SSD, but I would consider that WD Red. Reds are made for use in NAS situations where they're on all the time but not getting written to as often. I would take a 2 or 3 TB WD black or better yet, certain models of toshiba (which will be the fastest and most reliable option), over that pick, especially since it's $240! A 2TB toshiba will only run you $80.

5) Yep. No issues with the graphics card. Might be worth it to go with the Asus that's $10 more and has a slightly higher clock speed, if you aren't going to be overclocking your graphics card.

6) No problem with the case, but that power supply is an issue. That system is only going to be drawing about 400w at load - why in the world would you get a $120, 850w power supply? Get a SeaSonic G-550w for $70, or a 750w PSU if you wanted to get a second 980 in the future and overclock your graphics cards AND processor. People aren't used to just how screaming efficient these new graphics cards are yet.

7) Meh. I wouldn't even bother with the CD reader, but that's just me, and mostly for aesthetics. Good pick on 8.1 64-bit.

8) I don't know of the top of my head, is that blackwidow the new one with razor's proprietary switches? If so, leap on it.

9) Really? A $160 monitor paired with a $1800 gaming computer? I would get either a 1080p, 120Hz BenQ, a 1440p, 60Hz IPS (if that's your thing) for $400, or the 1440p, 144Hz, 8-bit color, G-Sync Asus Swift, which blows almost any competitor out of the water, but is $700. I'm just saying, pairing a graphics card as powerful as a 980 with a dinky little 1080p vanilla screen seems odd.

10) If you want, there are better options for sound... I don't know how much of an audiophile you are or what your budget is, but if you're interested, talk to me.[/quotemsg]

GetOwnedGaming:

I was told by CareyHolzman in one of his videos to ALWAYS get a more powerful PSU than you think you will ever need. That way if you EVER want to upgrade like to SLI or anything like that you will never put stress on your components. I want this PC to last as long as I can make it. Thanks for the advice on the RAM. I would like to keep the 16gb, and why not get the 2113 if it is only about $6 more? also "Gamers" freak out if they don't have a 120hz monitor when the HUMAN eye can only see just above 3. ALSO youtube has an upload FPS limit of 30 fps, so there is NO need at all ever for a 120 or 144hz monitor.

For what ever reason the quote messages are not showing....
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September 25, 2014 9:58:03 AM

That's a better monitor, yes, but it's still just 1080p, 60Hz. I would do a little research and see if you want anything like that.

As for the power supply, that video was made anywhere up to five years ago, looks like... and even if it was more modern, is probably based of of graphics cards that draw close to 300W by themselves. The 980 draws 165W. Is it a good idea to get a slightly more powerful PSU than your system requires, to cover overclocking and wear on the PSU? Absolutely. But spending the extra money to get a PSU that's ridiculously more powerful than you could possibly need is just a waste of money. Even if you WERE going to get SLI in the future, a 750w PSU would be more than sufficient... and if you're willing to say that on the off chance you buy another $300 graphics card long down the road you can upgrade your PSU too, you could get a far better quality 550w unit that will be more reliable and give cleaner power.

If you want to keep the RAM, that's your prerogative, but know that you're probably never going to be able to make use of a whole bunch of it. :p  As for the speed, if it's $6, then whatever, but it might be $6 because of its timings, making it actually have more latency than "slower" options.

Claiming that the human eye "can't see" above 30 fps (I'm presuming that was the typo) is absolute BS, and as a myth has been debunked, many times, for about five years now. The human eye doesn't work in nice little numbers like fps, and the myth came from the movie industry originally, where it was found that about 30fps was the MINIMUM required for the human brain to put images together into motion smoothly.

If what you were saying is true, then why bother running a game at 60 fps? Go play a game that's framelimited to 30fps and tell me if it's exactly the same because the eye can't see the difference. (Heck, for that matter, if it were true, why in the world would you spend so much on a computer when producing over 30 fps is a waste of time?) Go do a little research and you can very clearly see that there are large and noticeable benefits to 120Hz monitors that humans can absolutely benefit from.


As for this little gem of insight: "ALSO youtube has an upload FPS limit of 30 fps, so there is NO need at all ever for a 120 or 144hz monitor." I don't even know what to say. In your world, nobody, in the world, ever, is going to be doing ANYTHING except for going on youtube, so there's no reason for anybody "at all ever" to have a 120Hz monitor? How does that make sense?



You had specifically asked for other peoples' opinions on a build, and then when you got them, instead of appreciating that someone took the time to give you feedback on someone else's build in a thread that's already pretty much solved, you decided to be snarky and condescending... not a very cool move.
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September 25, 2014 10:31:59 AM

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You had specifically asked for other peoples' opinions on a build, and then when you got them, instead of appreciating that someone took the time to give you feedback on someone else's build in a thread that's already pretty much solved, you decided to be snarky and condescending... not a very cool move.[/quotemsg said:



So sorry, I had NO intention of coming across that way. I was just stating what I thought was true... I guess im not as smart as I thought I was xD I had no idea I would come across that way to anyone. Im really sorry about that and I was not meaning so say that what you said was false in anyway it was me talking from an uneducated stand point. I really do value what you said, I was just confused...


UPDATE: WOW you are right! The human eye can see up to 255 FPS! The min amount of fps we can see a smooth image is at 30 fps. I was so wrong!

http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1vy3qe/how_...
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September 25, 2014 12:00:28 PM

No worries mate. Especially on a forum like this one where it's pretty much encouraged for people to bump heads, things are going to get heated, and it's very very easy for written word to come off in a totally different way from the tone originally intended.

I still have my reservations about that Western Digital Red. You can get two 2TB Toshiba DT01ACA200's for $85 each, and they're going to be significantly faster, especially for write speeds (like saving games).

Other than that, I think it's a very good setup, yeah. Like I said in a previous post, that headset couple probably be adjusted in the price range, but if you know you like it, then go for it. If you're an audiophile at all, the solution is an actual pair of headphones that are tailored for sound, and a clip-on microphone. Not only do you get incredible sound quality for listening to music, but most of the time, I find that the microphone quality is much clearer.

Cheers!
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September 25, 2014 12:13:13 PM

DarkSable said:
No worries mate. Especially on a forum like this one where it's pretty much encouraged for people to bump heads, things are going to get heated, and it's very very easy for written word to come off in a totally different way from the tone originally intended.

I still have my reservations about that Western Digital Red. You can get two 2TB Toshiba DT01ACA200's for $85 each, and they're going to be significantly faster, especially for write speeds (like saving games).

Other than that, I think it's a very good setup, yeah. Like I said in a previous post, that headset couple probably be adjusted in the price range, but if you know you like it, then go for it. If you're an audiophile at all, the solution is an actual pair of headphones that are tailored for sound, and a clip-on microphone. Not only do you get incredible sound quality for listening to music, but most of the time, I find that the microphone quality is much clearer.

Cheers!


So like this?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/YZXcBm
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September 25, 2014 12:14:13 PM

Internet glitched and made me post this twice sorry about that!
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September 25, 2014 12:15:49 PM

Woah! My internet glitched and didnt show that I had posted the replies! Sorry about that any moderators seeing this!
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September 25, 2014 12:21:24 PM

One final note, i have a 128GB SSD (Samsung pro) and a 2TB HDD and i use it for gaming, downloading movies (Legit ones of course :)  ) and video editing / uploading.

I highly doubt you will use 4TB - but again thats your choice.



that includes 168 x 20 minutes shadowplay recordings (261GB) of un-edited ARMA 3 footage.
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