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September 29, 2014 10:25:58 AM

maxtex said:
Hmm you did some research huh?
Well, the MSI has coil whine issues I've heard, which not something I would wanna live with to be honest. Otherwise the card is great :p 


no problem with coil wine here and a great overclocker mine is 1294 on the core, boost over 1500 and 2003 on the memory.

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September 29, 2014 10:31:42 AM

Mmm I'm considering getting another MSI, but maybe I should just go ASUS and avoid any potential problems.
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September 29, 2014 10:37:24 AM

Now that u mention coil whine i am maybe going with Gigabyte. How many of MSI 970 samples have coil whine? I personally will have Corsair Obsidian 450D case so i guess gigabyte will fit in my case so i can go with any 970 there is. OMG why this has to be so hard?

WHAT IS BETTER AND SAFER AND BETTER OC? TELL ME
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September 29, 2014 10:51:39 AM

Alex Kelly said:
Mmm I'm considering getting another MSI, but maybe I should just go ASUS and avoid any potential problems.


I think get MSI then. Asus maybe offers better luck of the draw but MSI got better looks and performance.
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September 29, 2014 12:59:10 PM

I think this is also due to the fact this is MSI's first (high-end) card with the semi-passive cooling design, so these might be teething problems. Asus had pretty similer problems with their first Strix (which was the 6GB 780), as i recall some cards were very noisy while perhaps others were ok. Since then all the other Strix cards have been much better, as far as i know, and you hardly hear any problems with their 970 now either..
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September 29, 2014 1:01:36 PM

Oh and i'd get the Asus if i were you, or the G1, don't get another MSI - they had their chance right :p 
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September 29, 2014 1:04:08 PM

It is not luck.... MSI CARD ARE DEFECTIVE, please read the MSI official website before giving away false hopes :) 

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=183618.0


Quoting a MSI moderator

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Re: MSI GTX 970 fan issue
« Reply #100 on: Today at 19:48:06 »
MSI is aware of this issue. And I hope they will do something about this, otherwise this series or this card will be their failure, at least for the first week/s since release. :undecided:

I can't say anything about this,apart from the fact I feel sorry for you and obviously I'd be frustrated like you being unable to use the card normally. My luck is I never went for just released series of GPU/motherboards.


end of...
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September 29, 2014 1:08:35 PM

Mine hasn't even shipped yet. I'm seeing a lot of threads with MSI fan problems so I might just cancel the order and change it to ASUS or GIGABYTE. Though MSI does have the better performance and cooling so I'm a little iffy about canceling it.
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September 29, 2014 1:22:24 PM

is there already a program to read the vram temps?
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September 29, 2014 1:22:31 PM

Oh this is making it so hard. Currently i can wait while my store gets the cards but when they get them i need to know or they will be sold out.

I dont know when or how will MSI fix their fan issue. Maybe its the hardware itself or maybe BIOS thing.

Only thing that is keeping me from buying Gigabyte now is i heard they arent that reliable and that their fans die fast. Can anybody confirm or bust this roumor?
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September 29, 2014 2:09:34 PM

Can anybody tell me if there are any defects for Gigabyte model?

As far as i can tell there arent. Length and loudness of sound doesnt bother me. I want my card to last long with good performance.

I heard Gigabyte cards have dying fans and they are not so good card manufacturers, is that true? especially dying fans part.

Because as far as i see now Gigabyte is best OC and performance and no defects.


HELP PLS ANSWER.
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September 29, 2014 5:40:19 PM

Every company will have the selection of dud cards. Its the matter of luck if you get the dud card or not.

If your case can supply the gigabyte, get the gigabyte. Go with your gut, otherwise you will have buyers remorse.
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September 29, 2014 10:38:41 PM

'Go with your gut, otherwise you will have buyers remorse.'
BEST advice I've heard in a long time.
My gut told me ASUS, I went with MSI and regret it. I could go with another MSI, but if it has any of the issues people have been reporting I will hate myself.
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September 29, 2014 11:28:38 PM

Dazinek said:
Every company will have the selection of dud cards. Its the matter of luck if you get the dud card or not.

If your case can supply the gigabyte, get the gigabyte. Go with your gut, otherwise you will have buyers remorse.


Alex Kelly said:
'Go with your gut, otherwise you will have buyers remorse.'
BEST advice I've heard in a long time.
My gut told me ASUS, I went with MSI and regret it. I could go with another MSI, but if it has any of the issues people have been reporting I will hate myself.


I think my gut is confused. I am afraid to go with MSI now. Maybe i should really get Gigabyte card. Anyways i can return my card within 30 days if i want so yeah... I am probably going with gigabyte.
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September 29, 2014 11:45:08 PM

^ Good choice. Always good to avoid potential problems if you can, the Gigabyte is great.
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September 29, 2014 11:54:15 PM

Alex Kelly said:
^ Good choice. Always good to avoid potential problems if you can, the Gigabyte is great.


Yeah but usually all the problems occur after the first month of use :p 
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September 30, 2014 12:11:57 AM

just for the people ho wants to now, run metro 2033 cpu set at 4.5ghz



still no problems with fans
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September 30, 2014 12:21:21 AM

People aren't having issues with fans, just coil whine. Mines actually real bad, especially in CS:GO.
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September 30, 2014 2:07:02 AM

Well I did read some people had issues with the fans too, i believe on the msi forum, and they were gonna try fix that with a bios update. Tho not sure if that could also fix coil whine, although it might..

My asus' delivery was of course delayed again yesterday, but it today it'll arrive for sure, in just a couple of hours so i'm uber excited ^^
I will report later on how it goes :) 
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September 30, 2014 2:08:43 AM

I'm stuck. Even though I have a good PSU, EVGA G2, I have a feeling it might be causing the coil whine. HWmonitor tells me the motherboard is only getting 11.1v on the 12V rail, which is way too low. The PSU loudly ticks whenever I power my system on, too. What do you guys think? Ugh.
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September 30, 2014 2:47:16 AM

Alex Kelly said:
I'm stuck. Even though I have a good PSU, EVGA G2, I have a feeling it might be causing the coil whine. HWmonitor tells me the motherboard is only getting 11.1v on the 12V rail, which is way too low. The PSU loudly ticks whenever I power my system on, too. What do you guys think? Ugh.


That might be the case. I am no expert in that but i it might be the case.
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September 30, 2014 3:16:17 AM

Mmm in my BIOS it says 12.2, so I think I'm ok there. I'll just send the MSI back tomorrow and ask them if they can give me one that doesn't have coil whine, or just wait it out until the ASUS is back in stock.
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September 30, 2014 3:31:16 AM

Alex Kelly said:
Mmm in my BIOS it says 12.2, so I think I'm ok there. I'll just send the MSI back tomorrow and ask them if they can give me one that doesn't have coil whine, or just wait it out until the ASUS is back in stock.


Can somebody explain why people go for ASUS when Gigabyte is way better choice if you dont want MSI?
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September 30, 2014 3:46:19 AM

Because it's fan stops at idle, requires only a single 8 pin power connector, and looks better and fits in more cases.
I'd go for the Gigabyte if it's fans stopped at idle. It's not even a big deal but I just love the idea of it.
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September 30, 2014 3:57:15 AM

Alex Kelly said:
Because it's fan stops at idle, requires only a single 8 pin power connector, and looks better and fits in more cases.
I'd go for the Gigabyte if it's fans stopped at idle. It's not even a big deal but I just love the idea of it.


i mean i think Gigabyte could do that too considering size of heatsink, but they wanted the coolest architecture
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September 30, 2014 5:05:50 AM

I am stuck here too. Tossing up the Asus and the MSI. This is really tedious.


I have a question for the people of this thread. I live in Australia. If, for example, I purchased the MSI, and it had coil whine, where would I need to be sent for warranty replacement? Locally (in Aus) or overseas? If it was overseas, would I have to pay for shipping?
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September 30, 2014 5:13:31 AM

^ You send it to wherever you bought it, I recommend CPL or PC Case Gear.
Yes, if you bought it overseas you would have to pay for warranty. Don't do it :) 
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September 30, 2014 5:45:54 AM

hazzac181 said:
I am stuck here too. Tossing up the Asus and the MSI. This is really tedious.


I have a question for the people of this thread. I live in Australia. If, for example, I purchased the MSI, and it had coil whine, where would I need to be sent for warranty replacement? Locally (in Aus) or overseas? If it was overseas, would I have to pay for shipping?


Best choice so far seems like Gigabyte since it has outstanding performance and generally stays cool. I heard ASUS cards having problems with the fan idle thingy. Something about fans not spining when over 60 degrees and reducing the performance or something like it. If i had to put them in a order it would be Gigabyte>MSI>ASUS>EVGA
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September 30, 2014 6:01:56 AM

Anyone with the coil whine update their GPU bios yet?

I was reading some forum posts yesterday that updating the bios and leaving your system off for a few minutes had fixed the issues.

I should receive mine today, is there any good way to see if you get the coil whine problem?

Stress test or anything specific?
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September 30, 2014 7:34:25 AM

best choice is i think still the msi, the think it has maybe nothing to do with the bios, maybe its just the not updated msi afterburner.
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September 30, 2014 8:14:46 AM

hazzac181 said:
I am stuck here too. Tossing up the Asus and the MSI. This is really tedious.


I have a question for the people of this thread. I live in Australia. If, for example, I purchased the MSI, and it had coil whine, where would I need to be sent for warranty replacement? Locally (in Aus) or overseas? If it was overseas, would I have to pay for shipping?


Hi

Its highly unlikely that if you buy the MSI it will have an issue and Alexs coil whine could be caused by any number of other issues of which the card is just one possibility.
First before buying any GPU make sure your PSU is up to the job as this card states a minimum of 500watts on a 12v rail with 48amps. If you have other parts that you overclock and use more than one hard drive then I would recommend a 750w PSU with at least 12v and 62amps on the rail. Its always good to have a little extra power in your pocket and it helps with stability and reducing chances of things like coil whine.

Research your seller in Australia and find one who gives proper full customer service with all its products and is prepared to accept returns.

You can checkout MSI's warranty for Australian customers here :- http://au.msi.com/page/warranty

This card has received 23 awards already and you can check those out here:- http://game.msi.com/product/graphics-card/gaming-tf5-se...

As to whether it can overclock well I had a play with my MSI970 Gaming 4G this afternoon and got this
Checkout my stable 1414mhz benchmark result here -->

Tbh it is a very easy card to overclock and I promise mine did not whine about it once. Didn't even hear the fans !

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September 30, 2014 8:24:13 AM

mastergup said:


still no problems with fans


I have had zero issues with my fans too master. Wonder what the actual fail rate on these is ? I'm gonna guess at 1-4% still 23 awards cant be wrong hey ?

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September 30, 2014 8:42:19 AM

LoneGun said:
hazzac181 said:
I am stuck here too. Tossing up the Asus and the MSI. This is really tedious.


I have a question for the people of this thread. I live in Australia. If, for example, I purchased the MSI, and it had coil whine, where would I need to be sent for warranty replacement? Locally (in Aus) or overseas? If it was overseas, would I have to pay for shipping?


Hi

Its highly unlikely that if you buy the MSI it will have an issue and Alexs coil whine could be caused by any number of other issues of which the card is just one possibility.
First before buying any GPU make sure your PSU is up to the job as this card states a minimum of 500watts on a 12v rail with 48amps. If you have other parts that you overclock and use more than one hard drive then I would recommend a 750w PSU with at least 12v and 62amps on the rail. Its always good to have a little extra power in your pocket and it helps with stability and reducing chances of things like coil whine.

Research your seller in Australia and find one who gives proper full customer service with all its products and is prepared to accept returns.

You can checkout MSI's warranty for Australian customers here :- http://au.msi.com/page/warranty

This card has received 23 awards already and you can check those out here:- http://game.msi.com/product/graphics-card/gaming-tf5-se...

As to whether it can overclock well I had a play with my MSI970 Gaming 4G this afternoon and got this
Checkout my stable 1414mhz benchmark result here -->"http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah176/lonegun1/Vall..."

Tbh it is a very easy card to overclock and I promise mine did not whine about it once. Didn't even hear the fans !




Very well spoken and so true, the sell al lot of these cards and ofcourse there will be problems with some cards, but i think most just work fine, but if a card works fine, why talk about it, just show the benchmarks.
Like withe every card, if sombody has a bad 1, the talk about it, why does it do this, o mine has the same, and stuff like that.
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September 30, 2014 9:00:32 AM

Like you lone gun, i run stable at youre settings, more then enough for a bit extra performance.


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September 30, 2014 9:37:38 AM

Actually, a LOT of people are having issues with MSI 970 coil whine. I have a great PSU, it's definitely the card.
I don't think an updated BIOS will fix coil whine. Can you link me to proof of this?
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September 30, 2014 11:12:35 AM

mastergup said:
Like you lone gun, i run stable at youre settings, more then enough for a bit extra performance.




Nice one Mastergup ! Quick word of advice to anyone oggling our settings on those benches. Do not copy them everyones hardware varies. If you want to oc your card start with 10mhz at a time and test. Stay safe out there ;) .

Alex Kelly said:
Actually, a LOT of people are having issues with MSI 970 coil whine. I have a great PSU, it's definitely the card.
I don't think an updated BIOS will fix coil whine. Can you link me to proof of this?


I'd just RMA it and either try another or go with a different brand. I just had a quick google and all the brands except ASUS are flagging as having the odd noisy card. Even the gigabyte has a few people complaining about it even a youtube vid.

The only problem I see with the ASUS card is with the fan needing its own profile see :- http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/09/19/nv...

"One issue we did notice with the ASUS card is that it initially wasn't boosting as high as we'd have expected. We noticed that the fans didn't seem to want to spin beyond 42 percent, apparently prioritising low noise over boost frequency. As such, we set the fans manually to 50 percent, which saw a higher and more constant boost clock emerge. The downside to this is that the fan speed is locked, and won't slow down or enter its passive mode, even when idle."



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September 30, 2014 11:20:37 AM

^ Yeah I have seen that, It's one of the reasons I went with the MSI in the first place. I'm hoping they will release a BIOS to fix it. I'm not sure if you create a fan curve you get the 0db mode, so that's a little worrying. I might try another MSI, if that's the same, I'll go ASUS or Gigabyte. :) 
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September 30, 2014 11:40:00 AM

LoneGun said:
mastergup said:
Like you lone gun, i run stable at youre settings, more then enough for a bit extra performance.




Nice one Mastergup ! Quick word of advice to anyone oggling our settings on those benches. Do not copy them everyones hardware varies. If you want to oc your card start with 10mhz at a time and test. Stay safe out there ;) .

Alex Kelly said:
Actually, a LOT of people are having issues with MSI 970 coil whine. I have a great PSU, it's definitely the card.
I don't think an updated BIOS will fix coil whine. Can you link me to proof of this?


I'd just RMA it and either try another or go with a different brand. I just had a quick google and all the brands except ASUS are flagging as having the odd noisy card. Even the gigabyte has a few people complaining about it even a youtube vid.

The only problem I see with the ASUS card is with the fan needing its own profile see :- http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/09/19/nv...

"One issue we did notice with the ASUS card is that it initially wasn't boosting as high as we'd have expected. We noticed that the fans didn't seem to want to spin beyond 42 percent, apparently prioritising low noise over boost frequency. As such, we set the fans manually to 50 percent, which saw a higher and more constant boost clock emerge. The downside to this is that the fan speed is locked, and won't slow down or enter its passive mode, even when idle."





Do i read you corectley did you rma you msi card also lone gun????
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September 30, 2014 11:40:17 AM

The Asus arrived today and no coil whine here. With the case panels closed, idle it's extremely silent (the semi-passive cooling system works perfectly by the way), and under load it's also pretty silent.

I tested the card in Watch Dogs and Crysis 3 in Ultra, and especially in Watch Dogs the performance was really smooth. Crysis is a bitch but with MSAA 4x I get around 45 fps average and with MSAA 2x I get around 53-54, so that's as advertised. I didn't overclock yet by the way. Max temps were 69-70C.
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September 30, 2014 11:46:03 AM

if find that a little hot, for those cards, if you see what others do, still not to hot do.

another thing, there is a sticker on the msi fan, maybe some of you pulled that of to hard, and causes that the fan problem.
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September 30, 2014 11:58:53 AM

It's not a fan problem :/ 
good to hear maxtex! You should go through a run of uniengine heaven on highest settings and let me know what you score, and also what your temps are during the benchmark. My MSI stays at 60C.
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September 30, 2014 12:14:52 PM

I was expecting my temps to be pretty high cos i don't have the best case in terms of airflow and all (got a Bitfenix Phenom micro-atx case), but even in Crysis 3 on ultra the temps stayed nicely in the high 60s, with 70C max. Which is like 1-2C more than the benchmarks from the reviewers.
And yeah I'll surely do a benchmark of that soon (never done it before tho) and post it here then, although now im gonn eat and watch some football :p 
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September 30, 2014 12:20:03 PM

LoneGun said:
mastergup said:
Like you lone gun, i run stable at youre settings, more then enough for a bit extra performance.




Nice one Mastergup ! Quick word of advice to anyone oggling our settings on those benches. Do not copy them everyones hardware varies. If you want to oc your card start with 10mhz at a time and test. Stay safe out there ;) .

Alex Kelly said:
Actually, a LOT of people are having issues with MSI 970 coil whine. I have a great PSU, it's definitely the card.
I don't think an updated BIOS will fix coil whine. Can you link me to proof of this?


I'd just RMA it and either try another or go with a different brand. I just had a quick google and all the brands except ASUS are flagging as having the odd noisy card. Even the gigabyte has a few people complaining about it even a youtube vid.

The only problem I see with the ASUS card is with the fan needing its own profile see :- http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/09/19/nv...

"One issue we did notice with the ASUS card is that it initially wasn't boosting as high as we'd have expected. We noticed that the fans didn't seem to want to spin beyond 42 percent, apparently prioritising low noise over boost frequency. As such, we set the fans manually to 50 percent, which saw a higher and more constant boost clock emerge. The downside to this is that the fan speed is locked, and won't slow down or enter its passive mode, even when idle."





Alex Kelly said:
It's not a fan problem :/ 
good to hear maxtex! You should go through a run of uniengine heaven on highest settings and let me know what you score, and also what your temps are during the benchmark. My MSI stays at 60C.



the coil wine maeby not, but some people have problems with the fan spinning
or not spinning at all.
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September 30, 2014 3:41:52 PM

Is the slightly sub par performance/cooling (in comparison) on the Asus worth what seems to be a better quality product? What are your thoughts on this?

Also on a side note, (not that it matters) I will be installing this card in a Asus z97 Sabertooth Mark 2 motherboard.
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September 30, 2014 5:36:53 PM

Not sure. People are getting better scores with the ASUS card at stock than I get with my MSI, but higher temps.
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September 30, 2014 5:44:40 PM

Just looked over at the MSI forums and apparently, if you take the sticker off fan 1 too abruptly, it might screw with the whole fan system.

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We have a little thought it might be actually this sticker as you have mentioned. Since FANS are a bit fragile and delicate parts, a bit different way or strength/direction of taking sticker off, in some cases the fan just possible breaks or loses its tightness. But that's a thought which was also reported to MSI. We will see what they will come up with, hopefully this week.
But I have a good thought it will be ok soon :) 
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September 30, 2014 10:21:27 PM

The funny thing is if you read some reviews the say the default core clock of the msi is 1140mhz, ITS NOT its 1114mhz only if you use gaming app, en click on the oc button its 1140mhz on the core.
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September 30, 2014 10:37:53 PM

h3llfire741 said:
Just looked over at the MSI forums and apparently, if you take the sticker off fan 1 too abruptly, it might screw with the whole fan system.

Quote:
We have a little thought it might be actually this sticker as you have mentioned. Since FANS are a bit fragile and delicate parts, a bit different way or strength/direction of taking sticker off, in some cases the fan just possible breaks or loses its tightness. But that's a thought which was also reported to MSI. We will see what they will come up with, hopefully this week.
But I have a good thought it will be ok soon :) 


lol fans are fragile parts? thats not convinving answer
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September 30, 2014 11:24:05 PM

Like a say before I think that if you read other articles from asus/giga/evga you also find people that have problems, people with problems wright about it.
People that don't have problems don't wright as much about it.
Like many more, i love my msi card, and i have it now for 6 days and don't have any problems at all, no coil, no weird fans, fan control works great, but wy you need that i don't now.
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September 30, 2014 11:38:23 PM

Long live AMD... Can always wait for the 300 series in Q1 :D  ... keep that thought in the back of your head :p 
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