20-30 minute startup even with new HD, motherboard and heatsink!

roma247

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Wasn't sure which category to choose, as I am stumped on this one.

Back in May I bought a used laptop (Dell Latitude e6410, 2.4 Ghz i5, 4 MB RAM, running Windows 7 Pro) and it worked fine with light use for a week, didn't show any problems but then my husband used it for work and after chugging away for a few hours, the heatsink gave up the ghost and it overheated, taking the hard drive with it. Shame on me for buying used, but hey, I can't afford a new one right now...

I paid to have Dell fix it (figured I could do it, but I correctly guessed that with a used machine, there could be more problems lurking than just the heatsink...) and they replaced the heatsink and the hard drive, but when it arrived, there was a hole busted in the bottom cover that pushed in enough to prevent me from being able to open it.

So it got sent back to Dell for them to replace the back cover (I wasn't going to take the risk of damaging the components by busting it off!). Got it back and it seemed to work fine at first, but once I installed anything on it (windows updates, adobe acrobat, bitdefender antivirus), it started slowing down (especially in how long it takes to startup) so much it was unbearable.

Dell told me to send it back again, and this time they replaced the motherboard. But response time was no different.

Tried another fresh install of Windows, and after reinstalling, before it has any other software on it (or windows updates) it seems fine, takes about 5 minutes to start up (which is still slow, but better than the 20-30 minutes it had been taking).

But again, as soon as I start installing Windows updates or software on it, it starts slowing down more and more. We're back to 20 minute startup times.

Tried it all again, this time avoiding any Windows Updates. This time it seemed to be doing better. Installed Acrobat, Bitdefender, seemed to be running OK. Sometimes it would be a little slow starting up, and within the first 30 minutes or so after startup, but after it had been running a while, it seemed to work pretty well.

Then I went out of town and it sat for several days. When I started it up next, it was back to 20 minutes and gluey response times.

We have run all sorts of diagnostics on this thing, I have removed one memory unit at a time to see if one is bad, nothing seems to make any difference. This computer works fine as long as I don't do anything with it! But I actually need to use software. :)

I am stumped as to what could possibly be the problem here, when the hard drive, heatsink and motherboard have all been replaced, I'm working with a fresh install of Windows, the computer does not go any slower with only one memory unit in place, My Dell diagnostics can't find a problem. I would think that overheating would slow it down, but in this case running for a while seems to help it, not hurt it (and I am using it with a cooling pad...).

What could possibly be causing this laptop to keep slowing down and taking so long to start up???
 

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Have you tried starting in safe mode? sometimes conflicting anti-virus software can cause some unusual problems that slow your PC way down. Especially if there was some pre-loaded software from dell on it and then you added your own on top...

If you quickly start-up in safe mode without issue it would indicate software issues. If the problem persists even in safe mode, then hardware is a more likely cause.
 

MichaeLK_12

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Personally I'd try a new windows setup.Throw all the windows updates in and any missing drivers.After that check if it's running okay, start installing your own programmes one by one.DON'T install any antivirus untill you're done with the windows setup and drivers.
 

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I'm using the Dell OEM disc that came with my desktop (also Windows 7 Pro) but I downloaded the specific drivers for the laptop from Dell.

Each time you re-installed windows, did you use the same media? That seems to me the only thing that hasn't been replaced/ruled out.

Well, when it came back from Dell with the new hard drive, they had already installed Windows 7 on it, but other than that, yes, I've used the same media.
 

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Roger that. Took out one, ran it. Swapped 'em, ran it. Took out the other one, ran it. Same each time. Either they're both dotty, or they're both fine...

And what makes it quite the headscratcher is that it's quite zippy right after a fresh install, right up until either Windows Updates or other software hits it. Then it's very slow to start up, but often speeds up after having sat there running for an hour or more...???
 

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That sounds perfectly reasonable, but sadly this is the 6th time I've tried a fresh install with various permutations of what you are suggesting. Any time windows updates hits it, with or without antivirus, it slows to a crawl.

The most recent attempt, we avoided windows updates, with the intention of installing them one at a time in order to avoid any that might be causing a problem. So I just did software. Antivirus came last. At first it seemed to be doing fine. Then I left it a few days and it was back to slowsville...

Surely there must be some explanation, because it ought to be able to handle some basic software...and the variations in response time are the most puzzling part...
 

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I will give this a try and report back.

However I will say that there was no other antivirus on there (because of the new hard drive) except for Windows Defender, which comes with Windows.

From what I understand, Bitdefender (the antivirus I have been using) cleans up any files left over from other antivirus before it installs, in order to avoid that very problem. I was having all kinds of trouble with my husband's PC (which my kids use...) and could not get any antivirus to install because of AVG's uninstallable nightmare. Bitdefender crushed it and immediately improved the performance of that PC, which had been running slower and slower.

Will report back shortly.
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ARGH! I pushed the wrong button and now it's listing this thread as solved. How on earth do you undo it?

OK, I started in safe mode.
Good news: started up in 4 minutes.
Bad news: response was still slow. Had to attempt multiple times to open various programs before they would start.

Am attempting to restart normally now and it's taking forever.

So the question now becomes: what do I do to move forward and get this puppy running again, and be able to use the software I need?
 

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Thanks for moving the thread back to unsolved, Wolfshadow.

I'm bumping this to see if there are any further suggestions. Starting in safe mode helped with startup time, but response time was still gluey and things like opening programs took quite a while.

Does that suggest that it is both a hardware and a software problem?

I'm confused, because there are only 3 or 4 programs on it, including antivirus, and the hard drive is not clogged with lots of useless files...

Wolfshadow, what sort of behavior did you experience when your RAM slots burned out? And am I understanding you correctly, that the SLOTS burned out, not the modules themselves???
 

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Hi Folks,

I'm resurrecting this thread...I had to give up on this for a while because life happened and it was more important.

I spoke to a local computer repair person who was stumped and told me if he were going to work on it, the first thing he'd do is switch out the memory units with new ones to see if that would solve the problem. Well, sadly, I couldn't afford what he wanted to charge me to do that. So I decided he was probably right, that it was best to rule that out.

So I found a Dell certified set of 4GB RAM units that were compatible with my laptop, ordered them and installed them. So now I've got 8GB of RAM.

No improvement.

So I tried yet another clean install of Windows. Seemed good, really zippy. But the same thing happened. I installed a few programs and as soon as I restarted, we were back to slow startup, slow response.

I said to myself, OK, Each time I've reinstalled windows, I've left the partitions as DELL had them when they sent it back to me from their repair depot. This means that each time i've reinstalled, it has kept a windows.old file.

So I decided to delete those partitions, reformat the drive and reinstall.

No dice. Now I have only just installed windows and the drivers, and we're slow, slow, slow.

I'm pulling my hair out.

I pulled up the System menu to get the specs one more time to post a message, and I thought, Hey--let's see what the "Performance Information and Tools" thing does. Well, it runs that little "Windows Experience Index" thing, and whaddyaknow, this puppy gets a 1.0 rating. Well, at least that's accurate!

So I click on the link for more information, and most of the readings for the Processor, the RAM and the Primary Hard Disk are pretty good, 6.7, 6.7 and 5.6 on a scale of 1.0 to 7.9 respectively.

But the Graphics ("Desktop Performance for Windows Aero") and the Gaming Graphics ("3D business and gaming graphics performance") are both rated at 1.0

So...could the problem here be with the graphics card or driver or something???

When I went to view the detailed information on this, this is what it told me regarding the Graphics:

Total Available graphics memory: Not detected
Dedicated Graphics memory: 0 MB
Dedicated System memory: 0 MB
Shared System memory: 0 MB
Display Adapter driver version: 6.1.7600.16385
DirectX version: DirectX 8 or earlier


I tried updating the driver in device manager but it tells me "the best driver software for your device is already installed"

Any suggestions?