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September 26, 2014 10:26:12 PM

I have a GTX 780 and it's great card over clocked I'm faster than a stock Titan. That being said I am worried that the 3 gb of vram will not cut it for new games coming out. Shadow of Mordor and The Evil Within need 4 - 6 for ultra which really sucks for me. Even if I got a 970 or 980 for that extra 1 gb that isn't even enough vram and this is only at 1080p what gives? Should I wait a year or two until they release 6 gb standard vram because this is bs!

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September 26, 2014 10:30:55 PM

i would wait
Maybe 8GB VRAM cards are coming - GTX 970/980 and in the future other
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September 26, 2014 10:31:53 PM

Yes, I suggest you save your money and wait for Pascal/Volta in 2H 2015.
The 980 isn't that much of an upgrade to justify the purchase so soon.
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September 26, 2014 10:38:30 PM

if you want 4k the gtx 980 is a upgrade yes, but other wise wait.
And do you really need all at ultra on a 1920x1080p you wont see the difference with high.
And i dont believe that Shadow of Mordor and The Evil Within need 4 - 6 Vram (the memory of the card)
The are talking about system memory 4 to 8 gb memory.
So updating would by a big waste of money.
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September 26, 2014 10:52:41 PM

Kevinbaconcocky said:
I have a GTX 780 and it's great card over clocked I'm faster than a stock Titan. That being said I am worried that the 3 gb of vram will not cut it for new games coming out. Shadow of Mordor and The Evil Within need 4 - 6 for ultra which really sucks for me. Even if I got a 970 or 980 for that extra 1 gb that isn't even enough vram and this is only at 1080p what gives? Should I wait a year or two until they release 6 gb standard vram because this is bs!


There are only a handful of games that require more than 2GB of VRAM at 1920x1080 with highest settings:
Skyrim (with mods)
Battlefield 4
Watch Dogs

3GB of VRAM is plenty at this resolution.
I suspect what you are reading is the required system memory. Many new titles will require a 64 bit operating and at least 6GB of system memory. You wouldn't build a gaming PC with less than 8GB of system memory these days.
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September 26, 2014 10:55:57 PM

You know, an overclocked Titan beats an overclocked 780, right? Anyways, don't bother upgrading just yet. The GTX 980 is an underwhelming upgrade. Just wait a few months because we should have a GTX 990 (dual GM 204 GPUs) and a GTX 980Ti/GTX Titan X (GM200 GPU) which is rumored to be 50% faster than a GTX Titan Black and will most likely have a lot of VRAM.
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September 26, 2014 10:56:01 PM

VincentP said:
Kevinbaconcocky said:
I have a GTX 780 and it's great card over clocked I'm faster than a stock Titan. That being said I am worried that the 3 gb of vram will not cut it for new games coming out. Shadow of Mordor and The Evil Within need 4 - 6 for ultra which really sucks for me. Even if I got a 970 or 980 for that extra 1 gb that isn't even enough vram and this is only at 1080p what gives? Should I wait a year or two until they release 6 gb standard vram because this is bs!


There are only a handful of games that require more than 2GB of VRAM at 1920x1080 with highest settings:
Skyrim (with mods)
Battlefield 4
Watch Dogs

3GB of VRAM is plenty at this resolution.
I suspect what you are reading is the required system memory. Many new titles will require a 64 bit operating and at least 6GB of system memory. You wouldn't build a gaming PC with less than 8GB of system memory these days.


shadows of mordor actually says 6GB of VRAM, but this seems very unlikely to be actually true
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September 26, 2014 11:30:44 PM

tsuneo6 said:
VincentP said:
Kevinbaconcocky said:
I have a GTX 780 and it's great card over clocked I'm faster than a stock Titan. That being said I am worried that the 3 gb of vram will not cut it for new games coming out. Shadow of Mordor and The Evil Within need 4 - 6 for ultra which really sucks for me. Even if I got a 970 or 980 for that extra 1 gb that isn't even enough vram and this is only at 1080p what gives? Should I wait a year or two until they release 6 gb standard vram because this is bs!


There are only a handful of games that require more than 2GB of VRAM at 1920x1080 with highest settings:
Skyrim (with mods)
Battlefield 4
Watch Dogs

3GB of VRAM is plenty at this resolution.
I suspect what you are reading is the required system memory. Many new titles will require a 64 bit operating and at least 6GB of system memory. You wouldn't build a gaming PC with less than 8GB of system memory these days.


shadows of mordor actually says 6GB of VRAM, but this seems very unlikely to be actually true


Where have you seen that figure? It sounds like a typo, or some random website that has it wrong.
This is the recommended requirements as published on steam:
RECOMMENDED:
OS: 64-bit: Win 7, Win 8
Processor: Intel Core i7-3770, 3.4 GHz | AMD FX-8350, 4.0 GHz
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 | AMD Radeon HD 7950
DirectX: Version 11
Network: Broadband Internet connection
Hard Drive: 40 GB available space

Watch Dogs is the most video memory game available at the moment, and likely to be for a while.
Nvidia recommends minimum 3GB of VRAM when using ultra textures:
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/watch-dogs-grap...

Notice that in the GTX 970 and 980 review, Tom's hardware used high detail, high textures and FXAA at 1920x1080.
This was likely to keep the GTX 770 in the benchmark functional.
You could likely use better settings than this with the GTX 780. The article I have linked above does suggest ultra textures with the GTX 780
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/watch-dogs-grap...

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September 27, 2014 12:28:01 AM

The Evil Within is 4 gb vram and Shadow of Mordor is 6 gb for ultra settings.
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September 27, 2014 12:30:48 AM

i would bet that even with a 3gb card you can play it at ultra at 1920x1080.
And again why ultra at that resolution, very high would look the same, so no need to upgrade.
But i did a upgrade from a r9 290 to the msi gtx 970 gaming and i LOVE this card easy overclock from 1114 stock to 1295mhz on the core, and still cool and Quit.
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September 27, 2014 12:37:57 AM

Kevinbaconcocky said:
The Evil Within is 4 gb vram and Shadow of Mordor is 6 gb for ultra settings.


Where are you getting these numbers from? Do you have a link?
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September 27, 2014 12:46:50 AM



They have obviously included some very high resolution textures.
I would be surprised if you could pick the difference between high and ultra when running 1920x1080 resolution.
Certainly not a reason to upgrade from the GTX 780 anyway, but maybe a reason to look for more VRAM the next time you do upgrade (e.g. the next generation of cards).
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September 27, 2014 12:53:33 AM

Getting the 1080 when it comes out then the 980 only has 4 gb ram and these games are coming out in a week. Will stick with 780 till next year sigh.
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September 27, 2014 12:55:48 AM

And the textures in these games look like crap though which is what I don't understand. Crysis 3 maxed out on my 780 never reached 3 gb ever @ 1080p. They say that these games need between 4 - 6 gb of vram for 1080p gaming, look I understand higher resolutions but these is ridiculous.
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September 27, 2014 1:06:51 AM

Kevinbaconcocky said:
And the textures in these games look like crap though which is what I don't understand. Crysis 3 maxed out on my 780 never reached 3 gb ever @ 1080p. They say that these games need between 4 - 6 gb of vram for 1080p gaming, look I understand higher resolutions but these is ridiculous.


There is a lot more to graphics quality than textures.
Lighting effects for instance have a huge impact on performance with a slower GPU but have no effect on VRAM.
The major offenders when it comes to VRAM usage for any given resolution are textures, anti-aliasing and mantle.

Textures need to be detailed enough for the resolution you are running. A good example is Skyrim which runs easily on a 1GB card at 1920x1080 with the default textures but with texture mods it can kill a 2GB card, simply because the textures are higher resolution than they need to be. There are more moderate versions of the same mods that improve quality immensely but work well with a 2GB card.

You can have the most detailed textures but it will still look crap without proper anisotropic filtering.
Lighting effects, anti-aliasing, the game engine does so much more than just textures.
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September 27, 2014 1:18:02 AM

You must have not seen the video for this game maxed out, the textures are horrible. The tra settings texture pack for shadow of Mordor looks like the wit her 2 at best. I don't think you understand what I am trying to say.
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September 27, 2014 1:36:21 AM

Kevinbaconcocky said:
You must have not seen the video for this game maxed out, the textures are horrible. The tra settings texture pack for shadow of Mordor looks like the wit her 2 at best. I don't think you understand what I am trying to say.


Maybe your right. I don't usually worry about games that aren't released yet. If there is an issue they may improve it before release.

I haven't seen the video you are talking about. Perhaps you could provide a link.
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September 27, 2014 5:35:03 AM

VincentP said:
tsuneo6 said:
VincentP said:
Kevinbaconcocky said:
I have a GTX 780 and it's great card over clocked I'm faster than a stock Titan. That being said I am worried that the 3 gb of vram will not cut it for new games coming out. Shadow of Mordor and The Evil Within need 4 - 6 for ultra which really sucks for me. Even if I got a 970 or 980 for that extra 1 gb that isn't even enough vram and this is only at 1080p what gives? Should I wait a year or two until they release 6 gb standard vram because this is bs!


There are only a handful of games that require more than 2GB of VRAM at 1920x1080 with highest settings:
Skyrim (with mods)
Battlefield 4
Watch Dogs

3GB of VRAM is plenty at this resolution.
I suspect what you are reading is the required system memory. Many new titles will require a 64 bit operating and at least 6GB of system memory. You wouldn't build a gaming PC with less than 8GB of system memory these days.


shadows of mordor actually says 6GB of VRAM, but this seems very unlikely to be actually true


Where have you seen that figure? It sounds like a typo, or some random website that has it wrong.
This is the recommended requirements as published on steam:
RECOMMENDED:
OS: 64-bit: Win 7, Win 8
Processor: Intel Core i7-3770, 3.4 GHz | AMD FX-8350, 4.0 GHz
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 | AMD Radeon HD 7950
DirectX: Version 11
Network: Broadband Internet connection
Hard Drive: 40 GB available space

Watch Dogs is the most video memory game available at the moment, and likely to be for a while.
Nvidia recommends minimum 3GB of VRAM when using ultra textures:
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/watch-dogs-grap...

Notice that in the GTX 970 and 980 review, Tom's hardware used high detail, high textures and FXAA at 1920x1080.
This was likely to keep the GTX 770 in the benchmark functional.
You could likely use better settings than this with the GTX 780. The article I have linked above does suggest ultra textures with the GTX 780
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/watch-dogs-grap...



http://www.gamefront.com/shadow-of-mordors-pc-ultra-set...
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September 27, 2014 6:30:11 AM

And what i also don't get is the recommended from intel a 3770 and from amd a fx 8350.
Of course a 3570k/4670k are more then capable to play that game.
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