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Hey guys, I'm looking at replacing my old monitor with a budget of under $200. It will be my only and primary monitor for mainly gaming. One of these, the VN248H-P I know is an IPS which I have heard shows better color and viewing angle, I've seen some IPS monitors in store but honestly did not see much difference from a TN monitor, though I doubt they were properly calibrated. I'm also in a position to get the VN247H-P for the same price as the VS247H-P. Below are just the few I've run into so far, I am completely open to suggestions especially if anyone knows of an option in my price range with a higher refresh rate, though I'd rather stay with 1920 x 1080 and nothing smaller than 23-24". Thanks!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236174
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236307
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236335
 
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I've seen this one pop up so frequently and am starting to consider it. I keep telling myself to avoid it because of price and because my video card is a bit old (GTX 470). Though I do plan on upgrading this year so I guess a 144 Hz screen is doable. I'll definitely consider it.
 
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IPS screens have better colour and viewing angles.

Back-light bleed is a defect on some screens where the light leaks from the sides of the screen constantly. It affects all screen types including IPS and TN. Generally this would mean a return to the manufacturer under warranty, although some models tend to be prone to the problem.
What sometimes is called back-light bleed is actually IPS glow. Any IPS/PLS/AHVA screen has a glow when viewed from an angle. You can see this in the corners of the screen even when viewing it from the front, especially on larger screens. It is easy to tell the difference. If you stand back a few meters from the screen, or move your head to look at the corner of the screen from directly in front, the IPS glow will disappear.
IPS glow can be an annoyance in dark areas of a game.

Ghosting and input lag are exactly the same between a 60 Hz IPS or 60 Hz TN panel. The response time doesn't really make much difference to this. Modern screens have a feature called overdrive which reduces ghosting if done well.

Where response time does matter is in 120 Hz screens. Where a response time up to 8 ms would be fine for a 60 Hz display which refreshes the screen every 16 ms anyway, a 120 Hz monitor should have a response time under 4 ms. The faster refresh rate also reduces input lag, providing your computer is producing more than 60 FPS. At the moment, only TN panels have the response time required for this.

There is also a third panel type called AMVA that has better black levels than TN and IPS, better colour and viewing angles than TN and no IPS glow. The color is not quite as good as IPS for color critical work and the response time is much slower than TN.

If considering a 24 inch gaming monitor, have a look at the Benq XL2411T or XL2411Z.
I previously had an Asus VS278Q and the colour was terrible. I wouldn't buy an Asus VS series monitor again.
 
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I have heard that these 144 hz TN screens actually have worse colors in comparison to 60 hz TN screens. Is that at all true? Or if true is it a big difference?
 
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I wasn't talking about edge bleed, I am talking about black not being "black". I have an expensive Dell IPS and when you play a game in a dark area like a cave or dungeon, it is very difficult to see approaching baddies as there is a light glow across the entire screen. On the TN's light fro ya torch is reflected off a mouse running by and it stands out immediately. On the IPS, these effects go entirely unnoticed.

With 3 sons in the house, and one always working, on weekends when they all get on often w/ friends to play together, the last chair that gets sat in is the IPS.
 
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Go with this. I have one and can't say enough good things about it. I have both IPS and TN panels and for gaming this completely beats the IPS panels. The color accuracy isn't that noticeable unelss side-by-side and I'm never gaming at an angle to my monitor so the viewing angles are a non-issue.I don't know anyone that sits to the side of their monitor while gaming either.
 
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I experience the same thing. I have a Dell U2713HM. The colours are amazing but the glow in dark areas is frustrating. You read detailed reviews and they say there is no back-light bleed, but you can easily find forums with people complaining about it. The glow you are talking about is called IPS glow and it is an unfortunate draw back to all IPS/PLS/AHVA monitors.

Having spent the money on this monitor I am cautious about spending more, but I am considering two alternatives at the moment.
- The Asus ROD PG278Q which I'm sure you are aware of, good colour for a TN panel, 120 Hz refresh rate and g-sync.
- The BenQ BL3200PT, AMVA panel with much deeper black levels and better contrast than a TN or IPS panel.
I am also interested in the upcoming Dell U3415W for the size of this curved screen and the excellent pixel density but unless they use an A-TW filter, IPS glow is likely to be an issue.

These all have one area of improvement over my current monitor, but I can't get the black levels, refresh rate and higher pixel density all out of the same monitor.
 
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Panels vary in quality, having a higher or lower refresh rate doesn't necessarily mean better or worse colour.
One of the best TN panels for colour on the market is a 144 Hz screen, the Asus ROG PG278Q.
Some other gaming monitors may not have great colour.
Some features that play with the contrast to give you an advantage by seeing better in dark areas ruin the image quality, but these can be disabled.
Always disable dynamic contrast. The stated 20000000:1 contrast ratios they advertise are rubbish, achieved by showing a completely black image which allows the back-light to be dimmed and then compared to a completely white image at maximum brightness.
In real use, you will lower the brightness and never show a completely black image. Real contrast ratios for IPS and TN panels are around 800:1 to 1000:1. Some AMVA panels can achieve 3000:1.

My best advice would be to read a good review of any monitor you are considering.
www.tftcentral.co.uk is the best site I have found for reviews.
Gaming sites will just look at the features without any real regard for the quality of the image.
 
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So far the ASUS VG248QE has seemed like the winner. Only a bit over my original price and all around good reviews, I'm having trouble finding much on the Benq XL2411Z though a couple people mention better color I have more experience with ASUS and it seems like a much better seller.
 
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There's a good Asus vs BenQ article out there.... BenQ lead in some areas, Asus in others but if sensitive to ghosting, the Asus was the choice. primarily the recommendation was if ya live in Europe get the BenQ and if in US get the Asus.

I have been waiting for the price of the G-Sync add on top drop but tho they have the install video, the part about whewre to buy them is missing

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/g-sync/diy

 
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It's weird I'm looking around and finding lots of people linking to that page to buy it but see no way to do so. I have found a price tag of $200 though (http://www.techpowerup.com/196914/nvidia-rolls-out-g-sync-upgrade-kit-for-asus-vg248qe.html) and these guys that will do the install for you for $300 (http://www.digitalstormonline.com/nvidia-g-sync.asp). G-sync seemed like it would be pretty sweet but I expect very high in price for some time.
 
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You won't find much on these BenQ monitors because they are new models.
They replace the older XL2420T and XL2420Z.
The newer monitors use direct current control for dimming, better than PWM dimming used in previous models which causes flickering.
I personally wouldn't buy anything not on this list:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/flicker_free_database.htm
 
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yes, when you used to go to the site it was $200 ... now think order link is gone. It's over a year old..... it was widely rumored to drop to $50-75 once they satisfied the early adopters,

 
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