New cpu 4670k 4690k vs non k versions

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Greetings,

I am about to buy new pc, and hesitating between cpu. Its eighter I5 4670K or 4690K vs non K versions. Pc is built only to play GW2, LoL, D3 and sometimes terra. I readed alot about overclocking those cpus up to 4,4GHz but question is if its really necessary to do so. And if OC is really that amazing ? I am not planning on playing on ULTRA high details anywa. More like normal with 1920 resolution. So my question is which one would suit me the best ?
Thanks for answers.
 
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**CPU** | [Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54460) | £131.94 @ Aria PC
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**Power Supply** | [XFX 550W 80+ Bronze...


Umm, MMOs are like the most CPU intensive games out there. You need a good balance, what GPU do you have? If you have a low end card having an overclocked CPU probably won't net you any FPS gain but if you have a good GPU overclocking can give you some improvments especially in MMOs with a lot of people around.
 

If you only play GW2, LoL, D3, and you don't need the K version or even i5 4670 or i5 4690, of course, you can use and don't matter too. But in other hand you don't want to over pay, you can get the i5 4460 or the gpu like from gtx750, gtx750ti, r7 260x, or 265. And the H87/H97 for the i5. If you want AMD, and you can get the fx6300, or fx8320 too.

Here is the game reviews, you can see you don't need very high end PC for those games, but get one above average that is what you want.
Guild Wars 2 http://pinoytekkie.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/guild-wars-2-your-graphics-card-and-cpu-performance-guide/
Diablo III http://www.techspot.com/review/532-diablo-3-performance/
League Of Legends http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/league-of-legends-performance-benchmark,3484.html
CPUs http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/intel-haswell-refresh_4.html#sect0
 

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The issue is that graphic card is really old atm but still working fine, right now I am not about to replace it , its GTS 250, but within 2-3 months I will buy new one. My budget wont allow me to buy the best one out atm. But decent one. Dunno which one yet. So you recommend me to save money and buy non K version ? If so which one ? 4670 or 4690 or even lower one ? Another recommendation I had was an I3 cpu what do you think about that ? Thanks for your answers.
 
The i3 will be OK, but it depends on how many person you will play with, more person and you need at least the i5. You can buy one like i5 4460, and if you can buy 4670 or 4690, why not get the 4690K, but it depends on where you are, like in USA, 4690=$225, 4690K=$226, 4460=$188.
 

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I am from europe. Here is little difference between K and non K price. Not really big but there is. My question was about the overclock. If it is really worth. Because with K I would need to overclock thus Id need to buy cooling aswell. Factory cooling wont work as far as i know.
 
What cpu will you buy? If you will buy the haswell or haswell refresh cpu you are better either buy 1) 9 series MB or 2) asus 9 series or some of 8 series MB, because you need the new bios for those new cpu, ans asus can flash the bios without the cpu. Otherwise you need other cpu to flash the BIOS so that you can boot the PC.
For example, the ASrock z87 pro4, here is the cpu support list: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z87%20Pro4/?cat=CPU if you buy the i5 4460 or i5 4690, the MB need P2.0 version BIOS.
For MSI z87 g43, the MB need at least 1.3 version ( Update BIOS RC code-Reference Code) http://us.msi.com/support/mb/Z87G43.html#support-cpu

ASUS 8 series MB support USB BIOS flashback list: http://www.asus.com/microsite/2014/MB/New_4th_gen_Intel_processor_compatibility/#models
 
Yes.
And you can get the H87, Z87, H97 or Z97, etc., but i5 4460 was released on 2Q2014, http://ark.intel.com/products/80817/Intel-Core-i5-4460-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz If the MB was out before the 2Q2014, then they will not compatible to it, you need update the BIOS.
If you buy the ASUS H87 pro, and you can use the USB BIOS flaskback feature to update the BIOS. If you buy other brand MB and they don't have this feature or have the old version BIOS, then you will get problem, that is the PC will not boot. Like MasterDell said "Try really hard to get a *97 board", that is what masterdell means. Here is more info: http://www.asus.com/microsite/2014/MB/New_4th_gen_Intel_processor_compatibility/#models
For asrock you can easy to find one for the 9 series MB or like B85M Pro3, take the new model they will be compatible to the i5 4460. Like the B85M Pro3 you can see the i5 4460 can be used under all version BIOS. http://www.asrock.com/mb/index.asp?s=1150 Click the name, go to the cpu support list, you will see the detail.
 

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Actually, the 4690k has the same stock performance as the 4690; the only reason to get the k series is to give you the option of better overclocking. While you may not need that option, it is a nice thing to have if you ever desire/need the option in the future. If the difference in price ins't too significant, and you're fine with spending the extra cash, I would advise getting a k series. It would be the most cost effective for you, if you ever changed your mind on OC'ing. When it comes to the CPU cooler, you really don't need a new cooler if you're not OC'ing. If you decide to OC, then get a new cooler; otherwise, the stock one will be fine (albeit a bit noisier than something like the CM Hyper 212 EVO).

For what you're doing, the 4690/4690k is more than enough, and won't undercut you on performance; however you can get a slower CPU to save money, and still have perfectly fine performance with what you're doing. The 4460 is a cheaper chip, and you will have plenty of performance from that as it is; no need to OC with your games. You can look into the FX-6300, but note that they are really triple core processors with multi-threading, so the performance of the 6300 is typically going to fall short of the i5 in single threaded processes, unless they are OC'ed; and, honestly, the price of OC'ing an FX-6300 (with a new CPU cooler) will put you about $50 shy of the i5-4460 here in the US. I'm not entirely sure if MMORPGs utilise multi/hyper-threading, so the FX chips may/may not prove to be worth the money saved.

If you were to pick only between the 4690k and the FX-6300, I'd go with the FX. But, since the 4460 is available, and with a smaller price gap to an OC'ed 6300, I'd recommend the 4460 with a Z97 MoBo. That's my two cents.
 

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Allrighty thank you all for your participation. I will order one today. Still cant choose 4460 or 4690. According to benchmarks and test 4690 is around 10-12% better. Since i wont buy graphic card which is more than 160 usd (or around -+). Do you think I will recognize the performance difference ? For me difference between 4460 and 4690 is 40usd. Not that much but could spend them elsewhere. Thanks for repplies
 

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If you don't want to overclock your CPU, then save your money; get the 4460. Either use it for something else, or put it towards your GPU budget. With the new GTX cards that will be released, you might be able to walk away with a nice deal on the 750 Ti/760, or get a newer card for a nice price.

Go the 4460 route, and hold off for a little while on the GPU, and you'll likely be able to get a nice pair for cheap.
 

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get an i3 4th gen and upgrade your gpu pref 750 ti or r7 260x or 270x and maybe a cheap h81 mobo if your not overclocking or crossfiring gpus.

its much cheaper and performs better than an i5 paired gts 250

the gts will super bottleneck your i5

if you want i5 4460 is already 1st tier badass cpu and will eat modern games for breakfast.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html

get if you want your cpu to last for future games get the i5 with z97 mobo, just save money for a dedicated gpu.

if you want to play already the i3 haswell with h81 chipset paired with 750ti or r7 260x will be more than sufficient at the moment.
 

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The gts won't bottleneck the i5, it will simply bottleneck itself. The CPU will only take over certain functions when the GPU bottlenecks, or will perform certain functions based on which title is being played. If by "bottleneck" you mean it will max itself out, the OP probably already knows that; as he's already running the 250. The stated plan was to replace the GPU later, so there's no reason to size down the CPU.
 

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we both have the same answer after all, go i5 the save for a dedicated gpu. Well if he could not wait and is so excited at playing i suggest the cheaper i3 w/ dedicated graphics already and cheap mobo. but if he can wait, get the i5 4460 with z97 chipset corsair vengeance 16gb (2x8g) 1600 cl9 dual channel ram and a gtx 970

with the gts 250, i meant the i5 deserves a better gpu than a gts 250.
 

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The 970 is beyond overkill for the games that are currently played. There's no sense in spending 2x for a card that will never be utilised very much. The 760 will likely be more than enough to balance cost and performance. Going any higher in performance will start producing diminishing returns. Also, he already said he didn't wanted to spend around the $160 dollar mark. The 970 just isn't reasonable here. As well, 8 GB of memory would be sufficient for what's being done on this rig; The only way 16 GB would help is if he's only using dual 4 GB cards, as that would help spread the load over four channels.

What you're recommending would be better suited for a more serious gamer. It's good, but it's overkill for the intentions of the OP.
 

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yeah i was just joking around with those specs. at the 160 mark you can get a r7 270.
but if you really want a budget rig to play most games at high - i3-4150, h81 mobo, 8gb (2x4gb) dual channel 1600 cl9, r7 270 / hd 7850 / hd 7870/ gtx 750 ti/ gtx 650 ti boost - these are the only cards available in my place that is worth 160 bucks

but best bet is for the i5-4460 z97 mobo 8gb 1600 cl9 - save money and get gtx 760/770 ti or r9 280x
 

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Wow that escalated quickly. First of all thanks for answers. Ok I decided on 4460, planning on to get kingstone hyperx fury (eighter 4 gb or 8 gb). About mobo I wanted to pick ASrock Z87 pro4. Could you recommend me here decent mobo here aswell ? For like 100 usd (+-)? And aswell PSU (gts250 require 550W 4460 require 84) I assume 700-750 W should be more than enough for this ? Any tips for PSU around same price (100usd) ?Lets say I will replace it with GTX 750 TI within 3 months. But till that time I have to go with this power eater GTS250.
 

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psu go get some aerocool strike x 600 watts just to make sure, and for ram i suggest if you get the hyperx fury go get 2x4gb for dual channel purposes. 1600 cl 9 is the max frequency for an i5- 4460 no need to go 1866.

i have the same procie and it is magnificent.
 

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Thanks to help of this forum my budget went much lower, so if i find reasonable mobo + psu I thought about buying GTX 750 TI golden sample from gainward with consuption of 400W if I am right.