Samsung 850 Pro worth the Premium ove 840 Evo?

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Hello,
How are you?
Currently I run a kingston 300 128GB SSD with a 1tb HDD for my game installs.
I want to upgrade and probably will replace my current 128 SSD and 1tb HDD with a single 500GB SSD.

From what I read, a single large SSD is in most cases better than a Raid0 with two smaller SSDs, so I am set on the 500-512gb.

As for which SSD to go for, I really don't know...
The market is full with models from all manufacturers...

From a price perspective, I saw a Samsung 840 Evo 500gb for a steal of 170...
But on the other hand, an 850 Pro 512 is 260...

The 850 is the new tech around and all the reviews rave about it... But is it worth the premium over the 840?

Also, any better storage config options I should look into to?

Thanks.
Cheers!
 
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EVO is the best value/money while giving more or less the same performance as 850 Pro:
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I'd get EVO and put the money saved on other components :)
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/8570/firmware-update-to-fix-the-samsung-ssd-840-evo-read-performance-bug-coming-on-october-15th
there is this bug with the evo.but a firmware update should fix it.
you get what you pay for which is more endurance wit the 850 pro.

An SSD that won't quit before you do

With twice the endurance of the previous model*, the 850 PRO will keep working as long as you do. Samsung's V-NAND technology is built to handle 150 Terabytes Written (TBW) which equates to a 40 GB daily read/write workload over a 10-year period. Plus, it comes with the industry's top-level ten-year limited warranty.

* 840 PRO: 73 TBW > 850 PRO: 150 TBW
 
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Get a Crucial MX100, best price performance and no waiting/hoping on a firmware fix from Samsung (that affects the 840EVO).
Endurance issues on SSDs are massively overblown. Anandtech addressed this in the 840EVO release article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7173/samsung-ssd-840-evo-review-120gb-250gb-500gb-750gb-1tb-models-tested/3

Plus, performance difference between SSDs only really becomes noticeable with really heavy workloads that basically don't happen on a 'normal' gaming PC. 850PRO is best for sure in benchmarks, but it's really not worth spending up unless you have a particular use-case that'll actually push the drive and justify the extra investment.
 
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Should be:

*840 PRO: 73 TBW < 850 PRO: 150TBW

The way you have it means the 840 Pro is better than the 850.
Also, Samsung's test 850 PRO has over 8 Petabytes written to it. So it's amazing how hella durable it is.

Get a Crucial MX100, best price performance and no waiting/hoping on a firmware fix from Samsung (that affects the 840EVO).
Endurance issues on SSDs are massively overblown. Anandtech addressed this in the 840EVO release article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7173/samsung-ssd-840-evo-...
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That's a dumb statement.

1. The issue doesn't effect everyone, I've stated several times on Tom's that i have the 840 and 840 EVO for well over a year and do not have any slow down on read times on old files.

2. When the issue effects someone, its on files on over a month, 3 months, 6 months (it differs on all the ppl who are reporting it.). ergo, it won't effect anyone who buys it now and updates the FW in 14 days.

3. People would want to get the 850 Pro for the 10 year warranty. I've spoken to a fair share aof ppl that went for the 840 pro over the EVO and regular 840 because of the 5 year warranty compared to the 3 yr warranty the other two have.
 
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Which statement is dumb?

I agree that the Samsung issue is hardly a deal breaker, but the 500GB drive is a full $60 more expensive than the Crucial MX100 on Newegg at the moment. Both are good drives and worthy of recommendation, but why would you pay $60 more for a drive that performs similarly and has a known issue, even if it's *probably* not going to be a problem and *probably* will be fixed anyway. It's more expensive!?

RE #3, no question that the 850 Pro is a better drive with a fantastic warranty, but seriously, it's nearly twice the price. Performance (as I stated) is hardly significant in a standard desktop/gaming build and while the extra endurance and warranty is nice, you could buy an MX100, save your $170 change, wait your 3 years till the warranty expires and probably buy another mid range SSD with your $170 that'll be larger and faster than the 850 PRO anyway. If you're building a serious workstation or rely on the machine for your income, then the 850 Pro would be my recommendation. But a gaming machine, not the best choice IMHO.

I don't mind disagreeing here, and apologies if you felt I overstated the 840 EVO issue (which I admit could have been taken that way), but I stand by my recommendation and to call it "dumb" is hardly constructive.
 
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Sorry, been seeing alot of ppl jumping on the the "EVO is terrible" bandwagon and posting about this issue in threads that have nothing to do with the issue. Yesterday I read a thread about a guy who was getting bad speed results and its because he was using the Marvell controller instead of the Intel, and someone posted saying that it was because of the issue on overclockers and reddit, even though the OP of that thread said he switched to the Intel port and everything started working perfectly. Its just annoying as heck when ppl do that. Been seeing it on Amazon reviews of the drive as well.

I like Samsung over Crucial because i've had crucial drives and had issues with them, switched over to Samsung, never had an issue. Also, i like how all the parts of the Samsung are made in house and not 3rd party like other SSDs out there.
 
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Should be:

*840 PRO: 73 TBW < 850 PRO: 150TBW

The way you have it means the 840 Pro is better than the 850.
Also, Samsung's test 850 PRO has over 8 Petabytes written to it. So it's amazing how hella durable it is.

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/ssd850pro/overview.html

An SSD that won't quit before you do 5th pitcher.
i copy pasted it .i did not realize that at the time.

also i have the EVO 256 gb from last Christmas and no performance impact has been issued to me.and i do not write to it often only updates from windows,drivers,bf4.before 2 days there was a patch.
 
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Hello,
Thank you for your replies.
Due to suggestion here, I am also looking at the Crucial MX100 512gb.
It is a sweet price.
The reviews say it is not an enthusiasts model due to the performance.
On a gaming rig, what difference does a High performance SSD make?

Cheers!
 
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My personal recommendation would be to go for the EVO over the crucial. I've had bad experiences with crucial. Had 2 of their drives fail pretty quickly on friend's computers i installed them into. I've installed several Evo's and Pros and have yet to see any of them fail or show any issues.
 
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I don't want to get into a tit-for-tat here, so this is my last post.

Anandtech has stopped recommending the 840EVO at present because of the known performance issue, source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8550/samsung-acknowledges-the-ssd-840-evo-read-performance-bug-fix-is-on-the-way

AND the drive is $43 more expensive than the mx100 on newegg at the moment.

I agree the performance issue is unlikely to affect OP and will probably be fixed soon and he/she can just flash the new firmware... but I still don't understand why you would pay more money for a drive that has a known issue and will need new firmware over a widely recommended drive that's cheaper with no known issues?

OP, your money, your choice.
 
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on Amazon, its only a $29 difference.

Anandtech says until they fix comes out, so after the fix, they'll recommend it again.

Comparing the EVO 500GB and the MX512GB:

1. The Evo has higher IOPS than the MX100 [98,000/90,000 IOPS vs. 90,000/85,000] (BTW, took forever to find the MX100's RANDOM numbers, its not listed on crucial or Amazon.)

2. The Evo uses parts made in house by Samsung, and of good quality. [1x nm Samsung Toggle DDR 2.0 3-Bit MLC NAND
Flash Memory (400Mbps)]. Crucial's MX100 uses a third party controller by Marvell (one of the worst controller companies I've ever dealt with when it comes to SATA controllers and drivers) and a third party nand [Marvell 88SS9189 with Micron cistom FW and Micron 16nm MLC Nand]

3. Warranties on both are for 3 years

4. TBW on both are around 70TBW

5. EVO comes with in house made optimization program that can benchmark, show SMART data, update FW, enable RAPID mode, Manually run TRIM in Windows XP and VISTA since they don't have TRIM natively and they have their own cloning program (Samsung Magician and Samsung Data Migration). MX100 has Acronis TruImage...and that's it.

Evo beats out mx100:

http://ssdboss.com/ssds/Samsung-840-EVO-vs-Crucial-MX100

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-840-Evo-250GB-vs-Crucial-MX100-256GB/1594vs2317

http://techreport.com/review/26532/crucial-mx100-solid-state-drive-reviewed/2

 
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