2x 2gb + 1x 4gb on Dual Channel
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Erwin0s
October 1, 2014 3:48:24 AM
Hi all,
I have currently 1x 4gb Corsair Vengeance (1600mhz), on a MSI 970A-G43 motherboard.
Now i managed to get a hold of 2 x 2gb ram, also running at 1600mhz, but its cheaper ones from Samsung.
Can i just put those 2 in dual channel mode, and the 4gb apart?
Or will that actually slow down my system somehow?
Thanks!
I have currently 1x 4gb Corsair Vengeance (1600mhz), on a MSI 970A-G43 motherboard.
Now i managed to get a hold of 2 x 2gb ram, also running at 1600mhz, but its cheaper ones from Samsung.
Can i just put those 2 in dual channel mode, and the 4gb apart?
Or will that actually slow down my system somehow?
Thanks!
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alienworkshop
October 1, 2014 3:52:43 AM
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Whenever you add more ram to a system it is always advised to put in matched sets and/or kits when working with ram. Physically you will have 8GB of ram but as far as the components are concerned they will be mismatched both internally and ofc externally.
You should view ram being manufactured on assembly lines. A minor drop or even a bump in temperature during manufacturing will cause a slight change in timings and the voltage it will respond to. The process of binning for top tier kits requires a strict QC so kits work on the same level and this is how you end up with matched kits/sets.
To that end, if you do use any of the rams, You'd benefit with the dual channel kit and if they are Samsung's magic rams, then you would be in luck to get them to 1866MHz on 1.6v
So the choices are:
1| keep the ram as is
2| swap out Vengeance for Samsung
3| sell them off for a good price and get higher capacity kits provided you have productive work in your daily itinerary.
Hope this helps.
You should view ram being manufactured on assembly lines. A minor drop or even a bump in temperature during manufacturing will cause a slight change in timings and the voltage it will respond to. The process of binning for top tier kits requires a strict QC so kits work on the same level and this is how you end up with matched kits/sets.
To that end, if you do use any of the rams, You'd benefit with the dual channel kit and if they are Samsung's magic rams, then you would be in luck to get them to 1866MHz on 1.6v
So the choices are:
1| keep the ram as is
2| swap out Vengeance for Samsung
3| sell them off for a good price and get higher capacity kits provided you have productive work in your daily itinerary.
Hope this helps.
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Erwin0s
October 1, 2014 1:03:54 PM
Thank you for the answers, and thank you Lutfij for that explanation, very helpful!
I understand going with only 2x2 samsungs will be the best option.
Any chance this is the magic ram you're talking about?
M378B5773CH0-CK0 Samsung 2gb Ddr3 1600mhz Pc3-12800 240pin Cl11 Non-S
http://www.amazon.com/M378B5773CH0-CK0-Samsung-1600mhz-...
Thanks!
I understand going with only 2x2 samsungs will be the best option.
Any chance this is the magic ram you're talking about?
M378B5773CH0-CK0 Samsung 2gb Ddr3 1600mhz Pc3-12800 240pin Cl11 Non-S
http://www.amazon.com/M378B5773CH0-CK0-Samsung-1600mhz-...
Thanks!
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No, the magic dimms I'm talking about are half height and go higher than 1866MHz on the 1.6~1.65v range.
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You would eventually need to provide some heat spreaders to keep them in operating temperature and ofc for daily use if you went that high.
You're welcome. On second thoughts, would you be able to post what you see from the sticker posted on the samsung dimms?
You would eventually need to provide some heat spreaders to keep them in operating temperature and ofc for daily use if you went that high.
You're welcome. On second thoughts, would you be able to post what you see from the sticker posted on the samsung dimms?
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Erwin0s
October 1, 2014 1:31:53 PM
Erwin0s
October 1, 2014 1:32:45 PM
doesn't seem to come through, here is the link :
https://www.dropbox.com/s/icn02hp5hm2drki/20141001_2222...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/icn02hp5hm2drki/20141001_2222...
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Erwin0s
October 1, 2014 1:44:50 PM
The only way to be sure is to use them and after firing up your system go into OS with CPU-Z and check out the Jedec specs under memory tab however I'll put my hunch on ti being 1.5v spec'd.
Just to be clear, you're not going to return or sell it right?
Use it in place of the Vengeance and in BIOS set voltage to 1.5v and manually key in the timings.
Just to be clear, you're not going to return or sell it right?
Use it in place of the Vengeance and in BIOS set voltage to 1.5v and manually key in the timings.
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Since you have the sticks - try the 4GB in slot 1 and the 2x2GB in slots 3-4, if a Intel mobo or a newer AMD chances are they will run in dual (all) via Flex mode (Intel) or AMDs adaption of flex, try and see if the run and pop up in dual (can check in CPU-Z, the memory tab will show single or dual), then if need be we can adjust freq, timings and voltages
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Flex itself, goes way back (2004-2205 or so), Amd has used a variant of it for quite awhile, but depends on mobo maker and mobo, I've seen some 970s where it worked, not alot, but don't get alot of AMD rigs in the shop
Here's a link to check:
http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/cs...
also just found this, from right here at Tom's, though long before we came along
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-stakes-vision...
Here's a link to check:
http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/cs...
also just found this, from right here at Tom's, though long before we came along
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-stakes-vision...
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Erwin0s
October 2, 2014 2:07:55 AM
Hi guys,
I tried the setup as described by Tradesman1, 4gb in DIMM1, 2x2gb in DIMM 3 and 4.
Here are the screens for CPU-Z :
https://imageshack.com/i/knZo1Qhtj
https://imageshack.com/i/idxlWsgUj
https://imageshack.com/i/ipeqdPCjj
https://imageshack.com/i/kmVVw9jKj
If I'm not mistaking it does seem to run in dual mode.
Also the specs for the cheap samsungs actually look better then the vengeance.
Can't wait to hear your thoughts, thanks!
I tried the setup as described by Tradesman1, 4gb in DIMM1, 2x2gb in DIMM 3 and 4.
Here are the screens for CPU-Z :
https://imageshack.com/i/knZo1Qhtj
https://imageshack.com/i/idxlWsgUj
https://imageshack.com/i/ipeqdPCjj
https://imageshack.com/i/kmVVw9jKj
If I'm not mistaking it does seem to run in dual mode.
Also the specs for the cheap samsungs actually look better then the vengeance.
Can't wait to hear your thoughts, thanks!
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Erwin0s
October 2, 2014 3:34:07 AM
Small update, i forgot to enable xmp, thus the vengeance was still running at 1333.
This is after enabling xmp :
https://imageshack.com/i/kq8B85fkj
This is after enabling xmp :
https://imageshack.com/i/kq8B85fkj
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With the dimms you have:
Corsair Vengeance - 1600MHz 9-9-9-24
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Samsung - 1600MHz 11-11-11-28
With ram operating at 1600MHz, the lower the number the faster it is (which we call tighter timinigs) while the higher the number the looser the timings. In an APU environment, the timings wouldn't matter - only the frequency but when we talk of a platform like Intel's and AM(2/3+) socket boards(without an onboard GPU), the timings play a critical part in your system provided you are gaming, rendering and ofc doing productive choirs on your system.
Physically you have 8GB of ram on your system but the effectiveness would be erm crippled... Tradesman can shine some more light on this matter
https://forums.ebuyer.com/showthread.php/78117-16GB-160...
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/299012-30-latency-spe...
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1778053/cas-late...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_latency
I don't think XMP will venture over to the Samsung Dimms.
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1702196/mixing-c...
Corsair Vengeance - 1600MHz 9-9-9-24
vs
Samsung - 1600MHz 11-11-11-28
With ram operating at 1600MHz, the lower the number the faster it is (which we call tighter timinigs) while the higher the number the looser the timings. In an APU environment, the timings wouldn't matter - only the frequency but when we talk of a platform like Intel's and AM(2/3+) socket boards(without an onboard GPU), the timings play a critical part in your system provided you are gaming, rendering and ofc doing productive choirs on your system.
Physically you have 8GB of ram on your system but the effectiveness would be erm crippled... Tradesman can shine some more light on this matter
https://forums.ebuyer.com/showthread.php/78117-16GB-160...
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/299012-30-latency-spe...
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1778053/cas-late...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_latency
I don't think XMP will venture over to the Samsung Dimms.
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1702196/mixing-c...
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Erwin0s
October 2, 2014 6:07:31 AM
Thanks, ok so do I understand correct that I am best to go with only the single 4gb at 9clocks, and take out the samsungs 2x2 11clocks?
For the record, I do use it for some gaming, and I'm on a triple monitor setup.
I have a R9 290x with 4gb so that also helps for the graphic part tho.
Budgetwise I started out with that 4gb vengeance, to later upgrade with another 4.
Guess these samsungs won't do the trick then
For the record, I do use it for some gaming, and I'm on a triple monitor setup.
I have a R9 290x with 4gb so that also helps for the graphic part tho.
Budgetwise I started out with that 4gb vengeance, to later upgrade with another 4.
Guess these samsungs won't do the trick then
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I'd ask you to try and sell all of the dimms and snag a proper kit - say 8GB. You may live it out until DDR4 trickles down in prices and probably you'll outlive the AMD platform for it to give up the ghost
You can find some nice kits for a good price for second hand on ebay, craiglist or perhaps microcenter...?
You can find some nice kits for a good price for second hand on ebay, craiglist or perhaps microcenter...?
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Erwin0s
October 3, 2014 6:44:20 AM
Erwin0s
October 3, 2014 12:31:50 PM
This is what I am running atm :
CPU : AMD FX6300 3.5ghz 6-Core
GPU : Sapphire Radeon Dual-X R9 270x 4gb
Mobo : Msi 970a-g43
RAM : 4gb Corsair Vengeance 1600 single
PSU : Technet 500w
Case : Corsair Carbide 200R Case (front + back fan)
OS : Windows 8.1 Professional 64-bit
My location is Belgium, I was hoping to find something decent for under 100€, preferably actually around 80, does that sound realistic?
CPU : AMD FX6300 3.5ghz 6-Core
GPU : Sapphire Radeon Dual-X R9 270x 4gb
Mobo : Msi 970a-g43
RAM : 4gb Corsair Vengeance 1600 single
PSU : Technet 500w
Case : Corsair Carbide 200R Case (front + back fan)
OS : Windows 8.1 Professional 64-bit
My location is Belgium, I was hoping to find something decent for under 100€, preferably actually around 80, does that sound realistic?
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Erwin0s
October 4, 2014 1:41:56 PM
Yes I usually go with either http://www.mycom.be or http://www.alternate.be , they are usually cheapest with shipping included
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Check these out:
Kingston HyperX 8GB DDR3-1866 Kit HX318C10FK2 / 8 FURY Blue = 90
Kingston HyperX 8GB Kit DDR3-1866 KHX18C9T3K2 / 8X = 100
I'd go with the latter for the round figure and better timings overall.
Kingston HyperX 8GB DDR3-1866 Kit HX318C10FK2 / 8 FURY Blue = 90
Kingston HyperX 8GB Kit DDR3-1866 KHX18C9T3K2 / 8X = 100
I'd go with the latter for the round figure and better timings overall.
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Might check on the Fury's, those run based on PnP (no XMP profile), and not sure if the 970 mobo is compatible with DRAM in PnP, many of the older AMD chipsets don't support plug and play w/ DRAM
http://www.kingston.com/us/hyperx/memory/fury
Might check on the Fury's, those run based on PnP (no XMP profile), and not sure if the 970 mobo is compatible with DRAM in PnP, many of the older AMD chipsets don't support plug and play w/ DRAM
http://www.kingston.com/us/hyperx/memory/fury
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Yeah thanks for pointing that out! I missed that bit on the Fury's.
According to the mobo manual, this kit checks out on the QVL on MSI's site
http://www.kingston.com/en/memory/search/?partid=khx16c...
http://www.msi.com/file/test_report/TR10_2743.pdf
and the closest I could find on the site is Blue genesis DIMMS. I'm not familiar with AMD chipsets until the 890 series and the APU chipsets so I think you would be best qualified to provide a better suggestion!
According to the mobo manual, this kit checks out on the QVL on MSI's site
http://www.kingston.com/en/memory/search/?partid=khx16c...
http://www.msi.com/file/test_report/TR10_2743.pdf
and the closest I could find on the site is Blue genesis DIMMS. I'm not familiar with AMD chipsets until the 890 series and the APU chipsets so I think you would be best qualified to provide a better suggestion!
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Yeah, understandable since most scenarios a kit/dimm won't work with a system and no matter what you do it just doesn't sit right.
I've also had experience with DIMMS unqualified for operation to run flawlessly on a majority of systems. I've even had a friend who managed to run more ram in his system than what was spec'd by Intel on its chipset.
Motherboard /chipset in question is an Asus Rampage Extreme x48 and he put 16GB of G.Skill ram into it with an overclock as well
The lot of us scratched our heads in awe as the maximum ram limit for the x48 is 8GB.
I've also had experience with DIMMS unqualified for operation to run flawlessly on a majority of systems. I've even had a friend who managed to run more ram in his system than what was spec'd by Intel on its chipset.
Motherboard /chipset in question is an Asus Rampage Extreme x48 and he put 16GB of G.Skill ram into it with an overclock as well
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A lot of X48s, in fact most needed additional MC voltage when 16GB and over.....also back then (and on occasion today, DRAM testing was simply put the sticks in and if it boots 'they are good', that was booting to to the mobos default....they also used the mmost powerful CPU available for the platform (which will have a stronger MC....sort of like the FX CPUs from AMD, they state they can run UP to 1866 at one stick per channel, originally it was just they can run up to 1866 - but once the Bulldozers were released there was a flood of complaints people couldn't get 1866 to work with 4x4GB, the lower end FXs couldn't run 1866 at all or at best w/ a pair of 2GB sticks, things like that
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