GPU Coil Whine

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Hey guys,

I've been building my new system over the last few days. Everything is new, except the case, DVD player, SSDs, and fan controller + some fans.

My new specs are:

Asus Maximus VII Hero
i7-4790K
EVGA GTX980 Superclocked
2x8GB TridentX 2400 CL10
Corsair AX860i
CM Hyper 212 Evo (while I wait for an H220-X)
Samsung 840 Evo 250GB SSD
Kingston V300 120GB SSD
Toshiba 2TB HDD
The case is a HAF X.

Nothing is overclocked except that I enabled the RAM's XMP profile.

Here's the problem: Coil whine. I first noticed it when running WinSAT, my 980 squeeled like a pig. It happens whenever the GPU is stressed, especially above 60-80 fps, which sucks since I just got a 144Hz monitor. I bought the 980 specifically to go above 60 fps.
'So', I hear you say, 'Deal with it or RMA it.' I was about to, but when I tested the 980 in my old system it was whisper quiet. I also put my old, quiet GTX660 in my new system and lo and behold, it started to whine. It looks like the GPU itself isn't defective or anything.

It's definitely coming from the GPU, not from the PSU. I tried changing the PCIe cables, no dice.

I'm getting really annoyed by this, I spent all my savings on this system only to have it give me headaches.
If anyone can help me get rid of the coil whine I'll be eternally grateful.
 

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But the real question is my friend how can motherboard make the card squeal?
 

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What was the old motherboard? Can you check whether or not new mobo and old mobo has the same dimensions?
 

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Try this, turn vsync off and tell us if there is a noticeable difference in the the whine. It should if it is the card, be a significant noticeable difference. If it isnt then it is something else. Seems like since you already tested the card on another PC and it was fine then it is the VRM no?
 

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yeah that is the funny thing with coil whine. It seems that not only the card but also mobo and psu can have an effect whether you get coil whine or not. In this case it seems the OP has gotten really unlucky with the mix of components he has.


To OP
could you test the old psu with the new system?
 

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easy way to tell if it is a VRM on your MOBO or you GPU, is simply overclock your card. The whine should be different or go away altogether. Good luck

EDIT: specifically overvolt a bit. Not pass safe levels! Youll notice it if it changes
 

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I tried adding 12mV and 25mV, no difference. Does that mean it's the mobo?

VSync is already off, I almost never have it on.

EDIT: The noise seems to come from the graphics card though, if it's the mobo shouldn't the noise originate from the actual VRM?
 

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Damnit.

I changed systems because my previous motherboard was a pile of shit. Now this mobo, an Asus ROG mobo, is defective too?

I really can't wait for a RMA, I need my computer. If I'm going through with this I'll be buying a new mobo while I RMA the current one. Asus doesn't do that program where they send you a replacement right away in Europe I think.
Not to mention that RMA'd products only get a 3 month warranty instead of the normal 3 year one...
 

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It whines in games (Rome 2 Total War) and Heaven Benchmark too.

I tried my old PSU, no difference. Unplugged all drives except the primary, no difference.

For the heck of it I removed the GPU completely and ran on the iGPU. The whine was gone, so it definitely originates from the GPU.

If anyone can confirm that this is a motherboard issue, please do.
 

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All VRM whine is from is a certain frequency caused by a certain amount of voltage, but could signal a imminent failure or power issue, in any component that has voltage regulator modules. Winsat could cause voltage issues so be sure to check out what scout recommended. Other things are auto voltage regulators built in BIOS and third party software not really suitable and set to high demand gaming rigs. This is a new build so i doubt you have tinkered with this much at all.

This is a great explanation by Phaedrus2129 over at overclocknet

So your GPU has annoying coil whine, eh? Won't shut up? You've tried RMAing the card, or putting lacquer on the coils (or your GPU uses non-toroidal inductors that that doesn't work on), and nothing works? Here's a potential solution.

Overclock your card.

Overvolt it.

Do something that will change the amount of power the card draws.

Or replace your power supply with one of a different model.

The inductors in a graphics card are for the most part used in its VRM, or voltage regulation module. VRMs are a type of DC-DC switch-mode power supply, usually a synchronous multi-phase buck regulator. This means that it uses a bunch of "phases" in parallel, each consisting of a pair of transistors, an inductor, and a capacitor, to change the +12V input from your PSU to 1.xxV for your GPU to use.

In order to supply a different voltage or different current the transistors switch on and off at different frequencies. If the GPU demands more current, then that will cause a voltage drop across the inductor, which makes the transistors switch faster to keep the voltage where it needs to be. And the reverse. All this happens in microseconds.

An inductor stores electricity in a magnetic field. This magnetic field pushes and pulls on the ferrite core used in some inductors. When the voltage across the inductor changes, the magnetic field changes, and the inductor moves slightly. When the voltage changes very, very quickly (as is the case when switching transistors are changing its voltage thousands of times a second) the inductor vibrates. And that vibration, if it is between 20Hz and 20,000Hz, is audible to the human ear. Hence whine.

The frequency at which the switching transistors operates varies, but it's generally between 10,000Hz and 100,000Hz. If your GPU is whining, the transistors are switching at between 10,000 and 20,000Hz, or a primary harmonic of those frequencies. So if you want to stop the whining, you need to make the transistors operate at a different frequency.

So you change the amount of power drawn. Overclock and overvolt your GPU and the transistors will need to switch faster to provide power to the GPU, and if you're luck you'll bump them from 17,000Hz to 24,000Hz. Underclocking may work as well. And suddenly your GPU will whine no more.

You could also use a different PSU that outputs a slightly higher or lower voltage on the +12V rail, which will also change the frequency the transistors need to work at.



It won't work for everyone, and may not work all the time either. But it may help reduce the whine or the amount of time you hear it. It worked with my new HD6950. At stock, it's a real whiner. Unlocked, overclocked, overvolted, power cap raised... not a peep
 

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Right, but I tried a different PSU, I tried overclocking, hell I tried a different card that was dead silent in my old system! My current card, the 980, was dead silent in my old system too.

I'll try playing around with the BIOS a bit.

EDIT: I read somewhere that disabling EIST may help. Tried it, no difference.
 

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Any chance all your current components will work with your old MB? If so hook up everything to it and see if the whine occurs again. Then you can for sure pinpoint it down to your MB and get that baby fixed up. Or if the whine is reproduced, it is one of your components causing issues and the troubleshooting continues.
 

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My old mobo and CPU died during disassembly unfortunately. It was a half-prebuilt system (I was ill when I bought it so it seemed like a good idea at the time) but it looks like they glued or cemented the cooler to the CPU or something. It wouldn't get loose, I got frustrated, put some back into it and promptly ripped the CPU out of the socket, still attached to the cooler:
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Even with a chisel and hammer I can't get the CPU loose from the cooler, it's crazy.

Anyway,
I'm contacting the shop where I bought most of the new component including the motherboard. Hopefully they can help me along. I'm in the Netherlands so most RMAs go through the shop.
I've expained the situation and my personal conclusion that the motherboard is, realistically, the only component left that could be the culprit. Hopefully I can either get help to solve the problem myself or get an accelerated replacement.
 
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