Multiple Access Points
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ronintexas
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Do you have fixed IP addresses setup for the access points (assigned by MAC address)?
Do you have DHCP turned off on all access points?
Do you have different SSID's on the access points?
Do you have DHCP turned off on all access points?
Do you have different SSID's on the access points?
It should work that is the designed used in every commercial business there is. There are likely some limitation in consumer routers to how many total mac address you can have but I am sure it well above what you can manage to generate in your house.
If these are not actual AP and you are using routers be sure that they do not have conflicting IP addresses and the DHCP server is disabled on everything except for the router.
I could see issues if you were doing something like running a repeater but when you cable AP to the router it really can't detect this is a AP or say a multiport switch. By the time the router sees the data it appears as any other wired connection.
The most common suspect is a duplicate IP of the gateway. This would make the router appear to not be responding even though it like is still functional.
If these are not actual AP and you are using routers be sure that they do not have conflicting IP addresses and the DHCP server is disabled on everything except for the router.
I could see issues if you were doing something like running a repeater but when you cable AP to the router it really can't detect this is a AP or say a multiport switch. By the time the router sees the data it appears as any other wired connection.
The most common suspect is a duplicate IP of the gateway. This would make the router appear to not be responding even though it like is still functional.
DHCP is turned off for the access points and static addresses assigned outside of the pool ie
Router - 192.168.1.1 IP range 192.168.1.10 to 192.168.1.150, Channel 6, SSID - Livebox - WEP secured
WAP1 - 192.168.1.2, Channel 11 - SSID - Study, no security
WAP2 - 192.168.1.3, Channel 3 - SSID - Lounge, no security
I also have a Sonos bridge connected to one of the WAPs with a static address INSIDE the pool and at Channel 1
Hi
When the connectivity loss happens, all lights on the Router are green as though it is fully functional. I have used 'INet' to scan the network and don't see any duplicate IP addresses
Default gateway is set on both Access Points to be the gateway of the router, ie 192.168.1.1. Is this my problem?. i thought they both needed this to get to the outside world
It sorta depends if you need the gateway or not. This ip address is only used to manage the AP. I is not used to pass the user traffic. The user traffic is running via mac addresses and pretty much transparently passes though the AP.
If you did not set the default gateway then only ip in the 192.168.1.x network could access them. I doubt you would manage them from a IP on the internet...you would have to port forward anyway. The only reason I could see for the default gateway is if the AP has the ability to directly fetch patches from a ISP web site. It should not hurt if it is set or not.
When you run wep or unsecured networks you always are at risk there is some device causing your issues. Maybe if you leave the web page open to the router management you might get a clue. Some routers can send log messages to a log server which is just a program you can run on one of your machines.
If you did not set the default gateway then only ip in the 192.168.1.x network could access them. I doubt you would manage them from a IP on the internet...you would have to port forward anyway. The only reason I could see for the default gateway is if the AP has the ability to directly fetch patches from a ISP web site. It should not hurt if it is set or not.
When you run wep or unsecured networks you always are at risk there is some device causing your issues. Maybe if you leave the web page open to the router management you might get a clue. Some routers can send log messages to a log server which is just a program you can run on one of your machines.
You won't if things are correct. Pretty much if a different device decides it is 192.168.1.1 then the 2 devices compete. If things are configured correctly this never happens.
Your problem is really strange. Maybe next time it happens plug your PC directly into the router and remove the cables for all the other equipment. You should set a fixed IP on your PC in case it is a DHCP timeout issue.
Your problem is really strange. Maybe next time it happens plug your PC directly into the router and remove the cables for all the other equipment. You should set a fixed IP on your PC in case it is a DHCP timeout issue.
So it happened again several hours later. I disconnected the router from the network and plugged in my Mac direct to the router - No internet connection. I had to reboot. Overnight I left two access points on and the Sonos bridge on, nothing else on the network neither Ethernet nor wireless. I heard the router reboot @ 7.30 this morning (the internet phone rings when connection is made). I have since given a manual address to the Mac (I have a Windows Laptop but that isn't on that much) outside the pool to ensure no possible conflict; and told the router of the static IP wrt the MAC address of the Mac
I am awaiting the failure ;-(
Do you thin k there might be an issue with the switch 9I have renewed the cable from the router to the switch)?
It failed and keeps on failing
If I am unaware (not at home) after several hours the router reboots itself
The system worked fine for 3 years then suddenly started to fail. I really haven't a clue what has happened
You are at the point of desperation here I suspect. A router rebooting almost always means there is either a firmware or hardware error. This is very different than it just runs really slow or works when you unplug other equipment.
So first step is firmware upgrade but I suspect you will have to get a different router to really be sure.
So first step is firmware upgrade but I suspect you will have to get a different router to really be sure.
Hi bill
Router is an Orange (Sagem) Livebox2 and has recently been exchanged after the problems started. When first connected it did a firmware upgrade and now allegedly has the latest version
Since last post, I have removed my Sonos equipment, changed the switch and disconnected my UPS all to no avail. I still can't have 2 APs on the network for more than 4-5 hours
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Who is your ISP? Your setup is valid....I do not see what could be creating the problems.....standard access points should not create any issues. The only thing I can think of would be the lease on the IP expires and the access points aren't refreshing for some reason....
Sorry for the delay, have been out of contact for a week
I'm using Orange.fr as ISP. The network will work fine if only one access point is connected, irrespective of the individual piece of hardware. However, if I connect a second access point, I get the internet crash after some time - usually 4-5 hours
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The only thing I can think of is your DHCP lease is ending, creating problems with IP addresses. Each AP should have an IP address reserved by MAC Address, and the available IP address pool should exclude those addresses.
.....and that's the situation. They are both reserved as static IPs in the Router config and both are lower than the start address of the pool. The crazy thing is this. One AP is fine, no problems; but 2 APs and the internet is lost even though the network remains and the routers lights are still all green
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Are all of your access points configured to have DHCP turned off - and are they accessible via remote login?
Unfortunately, I have done this see this screenshot. The others are similarly configured, only difference is 'Default Gateway' may be configured on the others. As this is an optional configuration it shouldn't be affecting things.
I have heard last week,some ISPs don't like multiple APs as they think user is running a business and extending one connection to multiple users, and will freeze the network. Is this a possibility?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pypy0193qmyya7t/WAP%20Status%20Screenshot%20.pdf?dl=0
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I re-read your initial post - is the ISP's cable modem performing the DHCP function in this setup:
MODEM > SWITCH > AP, AP, AP, AP, AP, AP
MODEM > SWITCH > AP, AP, AP, AP, AP, AP
Yes, the ISP router is the first piece of equipment connected to the outside. This is DHCP enabled and is connected to a D-Link 16 port switch. There are then 6 network points around the house connected to the switch. The APs are DHCP DISABLED and given static IPs outside the DHCP pool of the router
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