8350 and GTX 970 for streams maybe

Mitchell Paulen · Oct 7, 2014

I got that as my setup, well all the parts are in front of me i just have to put it together lol, but mainly for wow would that be alright from streaming in a few months?

Thanks for the input

Novuake · Oct 7, 2014

Definitely. The 8350 excels at streaming while gaming.

jkteddy77 · Oct 7, 2014

egh... the 8350 bottlenecked my R9 290 in multiplayer games like BF4. If you are planning on playing the latest and greatest titles, invest in an Intel. For streaming, the 8350 is good, but I'd say get a 4790k if you want all of the fps that that 970 can really pump out. Yes it is a price jump, but trust me, otherwise FX will bottle your 970 down to a mere 770 in some games. Trust me, it did that to my 290 in tons of titles.

Novuake · Oct 7, 2014

jkteddy77 :

You really do not get what a bottleneck is. Its a very overused term.

What you experienced was a CPU single threaded game that just required more CPU power, that does not automatically make it a bottleneck.

A bottleneck implies that a graphics card will NOT perform the to its full potential EVER, even in GPU intense titles because the CPU can not drive the GPU.

EDIT : And the 8350 is known to perform a lot more consistently than even an I7 when you are streaming. But yes, for flat gaming, an I5 will already be a better option for gaming.

jkteddy77 · Oct 7, 2014

Novuake :

Let him decide for himself here:
http://youtu.be/eu8Sekdb-IE?t=3m38s
Perfect example of their differences
Offline play will be quite a bit slower than you should be getting from your 970, but if you are going to be streaming ALL THE TIME, the 8350 could suffice. Just going to let you know that I had an 8350 and even at 4.7ghz, it just couldn't run a lot of modern titles to their potential with a GPU like my 290 or your 970.

I don't know, I've streamed with my 8350 at 4.7ghz and my 4790k at its stock clocks, and let me tell you, with my 290, the 4790k streams about 5fps faster than that OC'd 8350. And this is with a 290, with your stronger 970, that margin will only increase.

Novuake · Oct 7, 2014

Tek Syndicate is retarded, I REALLY do not like that guy or his horrifying testing methodology(if you can even call it that).

Anyway, FLAT FPS and CONSISTENCY are to very different things.

Point is, 8350 is 100$+ cheaper but provides decent streaming results compared to an I7 AND ...
Its not a bottleneck.

Fitzitz · Oct 7, 2014

The 8350 is an okay CPU, but you would definitely be better off with an i7 4790k. What is it that you are going to be streaming exactly?

jkteddy77 · Oct 7, 2014

Fitzitz :

if its LOL, Minecraft, or WOW, then yeah go ahead, get the 8350... now if you are actually going to USE that 970 and stream games like Battlefield, Call of Duty Advanced Warfare coming up, or most other modern 3D titles, I would really recommend an I7 as well.

Just... I've owned both, I have first hand experience, it was a terrible time pairing top end graphics cards with the 8350. The 270x my friend has runs GREAT with the 8350, because the 8350 can handle any game the 270x can.
If you want a 970, get an Intel. and i5 would be okay, but an i7 will be what you want if you are serious about streaming and multitasking.
If you want consistency and flat FPS, then REALLY get the I7.
For example. 8350 in BF4 was about 40-90fps... VERY inconsistent range. and that was at stock, and OC'd results.
now with the i7 I see mainly 70-100, with it never breaking 60fps, even while recording or streaming.

I have friends with 8350's who refused to upgrade to an Intel like me, and they are STILL trying to get the things to game correctly. No matter what BIOs options, Drivers, clocks, voltages, the 8350 just never got fast enough for my 290

Basically if you are willing to cut the corner to get an 8350, may as well just get a lower tier graphics card to pair. Intel owns a monopoly right now and there is no easy way around it :/
You can save $150 getting an 8350, but you might have to learn to settle with the chip's capabilities.

Correction. Streaming Single player games would be okay with the 8350, but if want to stream ANY sort of multiplayer FPS or thrid person game, you will want that i7 to match that 970.

Fitzitz · Oct 7, 2014

jkteddy77 :

Fitzitz :

if its LOL, Minecraft, or WOW, then yeah go ahead, get the 8350... now if you are actually going to USE that 970 and stream games like Battlefield, Call of Duty Advanced Warfare coming up, or most other modern 3D titles, I would really recommend an I7 as well.

Just... I've owned both, I have first hand experience, it was a terrible time pairing top end graphics cards with the 8350. The 270x my friend has runs GREAT with the 8350, because the 8350 can handle any game the 270x can.
If you want a 970, get an Intel. and i5 would be okay, but an i7 will be what you want if you are serious about streaming and multitasking.
If you want consistency and flat FPS, then REALLY get the I7.
For example. 8350 in BF4 was about 40-90fps... VERY inconsistent range. and that was at stock, and OC'd results.
now with the i7 I see mainly 70-100, with it never breaking 60fps, even while recording or streaming.

I have friends with 8350's who refused to upgrade to an Intel like me, and they are STILL trying to get the things to game correctly. No matter what BIOs options, Drivers, clocks, voltages, the 8350 just never got fast enough for my 290

Basically if you are willing to cut the corner to get an 8350, may as well just get a lower tier graphics card to pair. Intel owns a monopoly right now and there is no easy way around it :/
You can save $150 getting an 8350, but you might have to learn to settle with the chip's capabilities.

Correction. Streaming Single player games would be okay with the 8350, but if want to stream ANY sort of multiplayer FPS or thrid person game, you will want that i7 to match that 970.

+1 to this. If you go cheaper, you have to expect less performance one way or another, whether it is sheer power or consistency.

DubbleClick · Oct 7, 2014

Actually, novuake, you're the one who doesn't seem to get what a bottleneck is. For sure, the term is overused and often viewed as too dramatic.
However, if you take one gpu and test it with two cpu's:
Case 1: Both cpu get the exact same min/avg/max fps, plus/minus 1-2% to account for variance.
Case 2: Cpu one gets 45/60/75 fps. Cpu two gets you 38/56/69 fps. Cpu 2 bottlenecks the gpu.
Even if just in one game, cpu 2 can't always get the gpu to it's full strength.

Now, upgrading from an 8350 fx isn't certainly necessary, but going to an I5 will show you some improvement in almost all games. Even if streaming.

Now, since you can use the built in h.264 encoder of the 970, moving to an I7 would be really unnecessary. In raw gaming, you usually see I5 4460 and I7 4790k results within 2-3%. Spending $330 on the I7, $120 on a z97 board and $30 on an aftermarket cooler opposed to $170 on an I5 4590 and $80 on a h97 board, just to get 2-3 more fps is a pure waste.

From the 8350 to an I5 4590 you'll at least get noticeable improvements (10+ avg fps, up to 30+ min fps).

But anyway, unless you can't sell or give back your 8350 and motherboard for about the same you spent on them, I wouldn't even bother going to the I5. The 8350 certainly has benefits over a locked I5 in editing, which you'll probably do aswell.

Fitzitz · Oct 7, 2014

DubbleClick :

Actually, novuake, you're the one who doesn't seem to get what a bottleneck is. For sure, the term is overused and often viewed as too dramatic.
However, if you take one gpu and test it with two cpu's:
Case 1: Both cpu get the exact same min/avg/max fps, plus/minus 1-2% to account for variance.
Case 2: Cpu one gets 45/60/75 fps. Cpu two gets you 38/56/69 fps. Cpu 2 bottlenecks the gpu.
Even if just in one game, cpu 2 can't always get the gpu to it's full strength.

Now, upgrading from an 8350 fx isn't certainly necessary, but going to an I5 will show you some improvement in almost all games. Even if streaming.

Now, since you can use the built in h.264 encoder of the 970, moving to an I7 would be really unnecessary. In raw gaming, you usually see I5 4460 and I7 4790k results within 2-3%. Spending $330 on the I7, $120 on a z97 board and $30 on an aftermarket cooler opposed to $170 on an I5 4590 and $80 on a h97 board, just to get 2-3 more fps is a pure waste.

From the 8350 to an I5 4590 you'll at least get noticeable improvements (10+ avg fps, up to 30+ min fps).

But anyway, unless you can't sell or give back your 8350 and motherboard for about the same you spent on them, I wouldn't even bother going to the I5. The 8350 certainly has benefits over a locked I5 in editing, which you'll probably do aswell.

Depending on the game that is being streamed, an 8350 will actually do a lot better than an i5, however an i7 is much better than an 8350. Also, when it comes to video editing, a 4790k will annihilate both those CPUs.

DubbleClick · Oct 7, 2014

No, between just gaming and gaming plus streaming, there is zero difference with a h.264 encoding gpu. You can obviously go 10 years back in time and use fraps/xplit or horrible codecs, but why would you do that.

By the way, if you were to link a video of teksyndicate, this discussion is over.

And that an I7 4790k owes both, the 8350 and the I5 is quite obvious, isn't it? I just wonder if it would be worth spending $450 to see a 20-30% improvement in render times where gpu rendering is not supported.

Fitzitz · Oct 7, 2014

DubbleClick :

For video editing, it can take about half the time to do what an i5 can, so it depends on how much time you really have and how important it is to use the time quickly and wisely. You'll probably be fine with an 8350 for streaming if you you are not video editing much, or you are not also doing anything that has a time limit (such as a job), but if it is your job, or you at least need to work faster, an i7 is an obvious improvement.

Also, I'm pretty sure an i7 isn't $450 dollars more than an i5. You get a Z97 board (which works with either) and then you spend ~100 extra on the i7 over 8350. The i7+Z97 is about $200 more expensive than an 8350 at most.

Also, when you said "By the way, if you were to link a video of teksyndicate, this discussion is over." did you mean that you wanted me to post a link to teksyndicate like the other guy did, that the other guy already had proof backing you up from them, or what? Because I don't quite understand what you meant.

CooLWoLF · Oct 7, 2014

What testing methodology does teksyndicate use vs. other reviewers that everyone on Tom's seem to take issue with? Legitimate question.

Novuake · Oct 7, 2014

CooLWoLF :

Create a thread, I will discuss it with you in detail. We frown upon highjacking threads.

DubbleClick · Oct 7, 2014

CooLWoLF :

He's getting paid by amd. Or suffers of serious brain cancer. Either way That's not of a testing method, nor does it legitimate any results, though. Because the best you can get out of his videos is a good laugh.

DubbleClick · Oct 7, 2014

Fitzitz :

DubbleClick :

For video editing, it can take about half the time to do what an i5 can, so it depends on how much time you really have and how important it is to use the time quickly and wisely. You'll probably be fine with an 8350 for streaming if you you are not video editing much, or you are not also doing anything that has a time limit (such as a job), but if it is your job, or you at least need to work faster, an i7 is an obvious improvement.

Also, I'm pretty sure an i7 isn't $450 dollars more than an i5. You get a Z97 board (which works with either) and then you spend ~100 extra on the i7 over 8350. The i7+Z97 is about $200 more expensive than an 8350 at most.

Well, since he already has the 8350 with a board, the cost going to an i7 + z97 board would be about $450, assuming he can't send his parts back.

jkteddy77 · Oct 7, 2014

DubbleClick :

Fitzitz :

Well, since he already has the 8350 with a board, the cost going to an i7 + z97 board would be about $450, assuming he can't send his parts back.

It's definitely worth it... I sold my 990FX and 8350 for $275 and got an Asus Z97 Pro and 4790k on release week for $475

DubbleClick · Oct 7, 2014

If it is worth it is something that everyone has to decide for himself. In your case, you could get a nice bit of money back from your previous equipment, in that case I would have possibly done it myself. But if I couldnt get a good bit back from my previous rig, I would in no way spend $450 or even $300 to see a 30% improvement in rendering. But well, I don't really game, so i5 would be out of choice for me anyway.

Mitchell Paulen · Oct 7, 2014

Well thanks guys for the long discussion. Yes if I can I'll send them back and try for the i7 if I can't I'll be fine for now and upgrade in the future.

Thanks guys!

DubbleClick · Oct 7, 2014

Sure, good luck!

jkteddy77 · Oct 7, 2014

Mitchell Paulen :

Hope you're happy with however the rig ends up x)

Mitchell Paulen · Oct 7, 2014

Alright guys I went with the I5-4690k and asus Z-97A sounds good?

I believe the 4690k can oc to 4.5

DubbleClick · Oct 7, 2014

Great choice, the motherboard should easily be able to get it to 5ghz. But thats mostly cpu luck dependant anyway.

Mitchell Paulen · Oct 7, 2014

Awesome thanks guys!! I also have a h80i somewhere I can throw on there.

Thanks for helping me chose!

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