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Are AMD/ATI more cost effective for a budget gamming PC than Pentium/Geforce?

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October 8, 2014 3:39:18 PM

If so why do people keep recommending me Pentiums, it makes no sense I dont care what the brand name is I only care about performance in games and cost.

If Pentiums are cheaper and faster then so be it Ill choose them. But its nutty to go for name over real world specs/cost.

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October 8, 2014 3:45:41 PM

Pentium? Pentiums (current ones) are dual cores with no hyperthreading. They are low end cpu's but do okay in gaming for lower end gpu's.

As for whats better for the money, amd used to be quite cost effective if you are rendering bit for gaming I5/xeon are they way to go for reasonable price.
For gpu's the 280x is cheaper than a 770 with similar performance but 970 is faster than 290 for less money.
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October 8, 2014 3:51:40 PM

DubbleClick said:
Pentium? Pentiums (current ones) are dual cores with no hyperthreading. They are low end cpu's but do okay in gaming for lower end gpu's.

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but 970 is faster than 290 for less money

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Not anymore , still less power consumption and more features but $30 more sooo :D 

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October 8, 2014 4:47:36 PM

intel/nvidia will cost more but power consumption will be lessen.
amd/ati will cost less but power consumption will increase.

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October 8, 2014 7:10:43 PM

well i dont pay my electricity bill so AMD/ATI is the way to go
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October 8, 2014 7:26:03 PM

Well that is not a good approach.
You should start saving electricity as early as you can. :) 
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October 8, 2014 7:37:09 PM

iamlegend said:
Well that is not a good approach.
You should start saving electricity as early as you can. :) 


Unless you want a power-saving PC with a TDP of 150W, I can't see how an increase of 10W on the CPU will affect anything compared to the 200W a GPU uses...
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October 8, 2014 7:42:59 PM

What?
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October 8, 2014 7:44:23 PM

iamlegend said:
What?


The extra power used by AMD APUs are negligible compared to the power usage of an GPU.
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October 8, 2014 7:50:24 PM

Oh, are we talking APU here? I assume this is pure CPU/GPU combination and APU is a different story.
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October 8, 2014 7:55:31 PM

iamlegend said:
Oh, are we talking APU here? I assume this is pure CPU/GPU combination and APU is a different story.


AMD APU + GPU uses 10W more than Intel i5 + GPU in average.
If its the same GPU, of course.
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October 8, 2014 8:00:48 PM

Haha, the performance is not comparable though.
There is pros and cons in every aspect of that comparison.
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October 8, 2014 8:05:29 PM

That is right, but we're talking about budget gaming here. And there is no way a Pentium is more energy efficient per performance compared to an AMD APU.
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October 8, 2014 8:59:51 PM

G3258 with R7 260
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October 8, 2014 9:37:55 PM

So after all these years AMD is still kicking Pentiums butt, huh, I dont get why theres all these Pentium fan boys on here.
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October 8, 2014 9:56:22 PM

^It`s not being a fan boy, it`s being wise in your purchasing.
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October 9, 2014 1:31:33 AM

I on't really see how amd is kicking 'pentium's' butt when a $60 G3258 on a $60 mobo and a $30 cooler rapes a $310 9590fx on a $250 990fx motherboard and a $90 cooler in simulation and some games.

There's pros and cons everywhere. Saying amd is better when taking budget into account is bullshit.
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October 9, 2014 2:43:22 AM

Look electricity savings isn't something that you'd notice anyways , In electricity we're talking KW and there are a massive amount of appliances in your home which would be sucking a huge amount of electricity and maybe more than what the PC consumes so the one more additional appliance won't make a difference at least a noticeable one .

So the talk of the electricity bill isn't something you should be worrying about.
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October 9, 2014 6:43:26 AM

TopLuca said:
Look electricity savings isn't something that you'd notice anyways , In electricity we're talking KW and there are a massive amount of appliances in your home which would be sucking a huge amount of electricity and maybe more than what the PC consumes so the one more additional appliance won't make a difference at least a noticeable one .

So the talk of the electricity bill isn't something you should be worrying about.


THIS IS AN INTELLIGENT MAN!

Its a desperate day when you have to justify a components worth by how much electricity it saves you lmao
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October 9, 2014 7:38:05 AM

Meg2015 said:
TopLuca said:
Look electricity savings isn't something that you'd notice anyways , In electricity we're talking KW and there are a massive amount of appliances in your home which would be sucking a huge amount of electricity and maybe more than what the PC consumes so the one more additional appliance won't make a difference at least a noticeable one .

So the talk of the electricity bill isn't something you should be worrying about.


THIS IS AN INTELLIGENT MAN!

Its a desperate day when you have to justify a components worth by how much electricity it saves you lmao


Thanks ,

Look , there are some cases where Power consumption will matter .

To lead by an example , say you've got a 430W PSU and a system that consumes 300W without a GPU then I'd factor the power consumption and get a GTX 750Ti from Nvidia as it only consumes 60W TDP however say your PSU is 550W , then power consumption wouldn't be much of an issue and I'd get something which has more performance regardless of how much power it consumes as long as the PSU suffices.

At the end of the day that's my opinion , some people are really crazy about Performance to Wattage and care much about heat and noise .
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October 9, 2014 5:45:25 PM

WUW, why is it Power consumption doesn`t matter? This is a big misconception. In industries now, the trend is energy saving and that`s why you can see the main focus of modern technology is on reducing the power consumption of components, and that is why the 970 became better than the 780 due to its lower Power consumption retaining the same/better performance.

So, having lower power consumption with higher performance will break the law of physics. In reality it does not, but the Nvidia engineers did their job well for this product.

~trustmeimanengineer~
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October 9, 2014 5:59:41 PM

iamlegend said:
WUW, why is it Power consumption doesn`t matter? This is a big misconception. In industries now, the trend is energy saving and that`s why you can see the main focus of modern technology is on reducing the power consumption of components, and that is why the 970 became better than the 780 due to its lower Power consumption retaining the same/better performance.

So, having lower power consumption with higher performance will break the law of physics. In reality it does not, but the Nvidia engineers did their job well for this product.

~trustmeimanengineer~


So would you take a 750ti over an R9 270 because it consumes less power ?

If they are on equal terms , same power supplies and stuff like that then Power consumption might be taken into consideration , yet again in your household the extra 200W won't make much of noticeable difference .

Its good to have something good and eco friendly at the same time but only eco friendly is a harder sell.

Again to the extra 200W , See this chart : https://www.efficiencyvermont.com/For-My-Home/ways-to-s...

Your ceiling fan is most likely to use about twice more energy than your Desktop so does that mean that we don't care about environment ? Hell no but it means that the extra 200W isn't as much of a deal breaker as you think and while the fluctuation should be taken into consideration due to the extra amount of money needed to be spent on the more wattage more efficient power supply , it shouldn't be the no.1 priority of yours when choosing a PC component as its less likely to cause any significant difference in your Electricity Bill.

And I agree that Nvidia has got it right but if the 970 just consumed 150W and had performance similar to the 770 people wouldn't have been as crazy about it ;) 
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October 9, 2014 6:25:29 PM

Why would you compare the 750ti and R9 270?

200W x 4hrs/day x 30days x 12 x .14$/kWh = 40.32$

Not all people will agree that it is not a big deal. In small consumption you can justify that it will be insignificant but the point is having a cheap CPU with higher TDP and having an expensive CPU with lower TDP will be equal in the long run. Adding components will lead into another argument of which is better.
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October 9, 2014 6:33:28 PM

iamlegend said:
Why would you compare the 750ti and R9 270?

200W x 4hrs/day x 30days x 12 x .14$/kWh = 40.32$

Not all people will agree that it is not a big deal. In small consumption you can justify that it will be insignificant but the point is having a cheap CPU with higher TDP and having an expensive CPU with lower TDP will be equal in the long run. Adding components will lead into another argument of which is better.


Because you can get a R9 270 for as much as you'd get a 750ti.

$40.32 in a year is really nothing , its more like 3.3 bucks a month so its not that massive difference like what I've said.

There's a reason power consumption is always on the last page of most reviews :D 

If you take it into consideration then Kudos to you saving just over 3 bucks a month but for most people I think they'd just take the better rather than just save 40.32 bucks a year and after a couple of years get a graphics card or a component which is better because their older ECO friendly one didn't cut it for them :) 

Hope you got my point.

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October 9, 2014 6:45:05 PM

It is true to those cards, but it will scale significantly when you urge into more performance, just as what I have mentioned the 970 and the 780ti not ignoring the R9 290`s. FX and i7.
And yes, workstation cpus are off the topic.
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October 9, 2014 6:50:36 PM

iamlegend said:
It is true to those cards, but it will scale significantly when you urge into more performance, just as what I have mentioned the 970 and the 780ti not ignoring the R9 290`s. FX and i7.
And yes, workstation cpus are off the topic.


Well I respect your point but I'm just not convinced sorry.

I believe that in the GPU/CPU world people want :- ( Higher is more prioritized )

1- More Performance
2- Wide Variety of Usage ( ability to multitask and perform different operations in case of CPUs )
3- Overclocking potential
4- Preferred Brand ( AMD/Nvidia or Intel/AMD )
4- Ties into first point which is future proofing
5- Less Heat
6- Noise and Power Consumption , Power consumption however might be a factor if you've an existing older lower wattage PSU.

That's my verdict.

You can disagree :) 
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October 9, 2014 7:00:10 PM

Yes, and that`s why I mentioned above, it`s intelligent purchasing.

My answers:

1. More performance playing BF4 but lacking skills to compete.
2. Multi tasking using dual monitor FB and youtube.
3. Overclocking i7 4790k to 4.5Ghz to play BF4.
4. AMD/Nvidi fanboy.
5. Demand for less heat but wanted better performance which will contradict each other.
6. Same as 5.

Well I`m stressed already. I wanted to work in the computer industry someday. hahaha
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