If I have to re-install Windows 8 (new MB/CPU), can I retain my old settings?

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I've been planning this upgrade for some time, and now that I can afford it I am upgrading all the essentials.
Currently I have a GA-970A-D3 & AMD FX-6300. I am upgrading to an ASRock z87 Extreme 4 & Intel i7-4970k. I am also planning a later upgrade in a couple of months, to a GTX 980.

I've done some research and most threads suggest that a major swap like this (different chipset/CPU manufacturer) is very likely to warrant a windows reinstallation. My question is this:
if it turns out I DO have to reisntall Windows 8, is there any specific way to avoid losing the stored settings for all my software and games? Or can I simply copy some folders to the new installation (Documents, AppData, ProgramData, etc) to retain my old configurations?
And also, what about the registry?

Any insights or suggestions on the matter would be appreciated.
 
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If you bought Windows separately (went to the store), is a self built computer, then your right. If it is a Dell, Gateway, ASUS, etc. NO - IT IS NOT RETAIL, it is OEM. The ONLY way those companies sell computer (to keep their costs down so they can be 'in business' ) is required to sell Windows under the OEM license and terms as outlined by Windows. Just so you know.

That said, IF you have a reail/builder's edition of Windows installed, then you won't really need to worry about this UNLESS something breaks (Windows BLACK screen of death) that you would need to reinstall everything from scratch. In this POST just swapping the hardware will be fine, IF your license is...

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I did a similar upgrade (ASRock 970 extreme3 & FX6100 to ASUS MAXIMUS VI HERO & i5-4670K), all i did was repair windows, install new hardware>plug in your USB/Disc with your win installation>go to BIOS and boot on that USB/Disc, then you'll have some different choices including install windows and repair windows, do the repair, when it's finished you should be able to boot and install your drivers. ;)

I did the repair with windows 7, though i'm pretty sure it's the same procedure. I uninstalled some drivers before the repair or only did it after the repair.

The repair won't delete all your files on your OS disc, though it might replace the registry, not entirely sure.

And even if you have a 1440p display, i would still recommend going for a GTX970 instead, you could have the upgrade earlier because of the lower price, and it's almost as fast as a 780ti.

EDIT: Windows will ask you to reactivate it using a telephone and the product key if i remember correctly, it's because you're changing the components, and windows wants to make sure you're using a copy you actually paid for/haven't pirated or something.
 

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@ NiCoM Hmm.. what you say, if proved true, is very comforting. As I understand it, all I'd need to do is install the new hardware, then boot W8 from a USB and initiate a windows repair, after which I'd just install the new corresponding drivers. (Bearing in mind the possible windows re-activation debacle)

But just to double check, when you did that with your windows, where any windows directories replaced at all, specifically the ones I mentioned (Documents, AppData, ProgramData)? I could live with losing the registry only, I might even look into the possibility of backing it up, but the data stored in the windows directories are most crucial (which I've already backed up for a worst case scenario).

As to the 970 suggestion.. I am thinking of keeping this GPU upgrade for a looong time, as in a good 3-4 years or more. So, wouldn't it be prudent to go for the highest performance option (980), so that I don't feel the difference in the latter years before I upgrade again? Incidentally, I don't use a 1440p, just a regular 1080p, but I do like running everything on high/ultra, for the best visual experience possible.
 
1) Is your current computer from a OEM (aka Dell, Gateway, etc.) if so NO you can't do this, because the license of Windows is tied to the hardware. You would have to purchase a whole new copy of Windows and start over from scratch. As soon as Windows takes the info from the BIOS just before it displays the Windows Logo, it checks the hardware to 'talk to' so it knows how to talk right, as soon as it does, BOOM if kills Windows from preceding as it doesn't register as a 'licensed' hardware registered for that copy of Windows. There is no way to get around it AFTER you change the hardware; PRIOR to the hardware change, you could use the new license and 'reactivate' the copy of Windows under the new license, but you will have to repeat this step again when you swap the hardware, the advantage is everything is still 'in place' in Windows.

2) If you properly updates Windows 8 to Windows 8.1 through the store, then applied the Windows 8.1 Update (all required to receive patches from Microsoft) this has not changed your 'data' and use of the computer significantly. The previous editions, back to Vista when it was introduced, and added to XP, was Windows Easy Transfer, which would allow you to 'backup' your data, settings, etc. (NOT PROGRAMS THEY ALWAYS have to be manually reinstalled) to a Ext. Drive or a Network Drive, then after 'rebuilding' / starting the new PC, running WET again would 'import' everything 'magically' that even your wallpaper and icons are exactly 'as they were' (the pseudo-benchmark 90% of consumers/business believe should visual show things 'are alright" and 'nothing was lost'). As of Windows 8.1 this function was DISABLED and is NO LONGER SUPPORTED, in fact the OS will REFUSE to allow WET to backup your W8.1/8.1U !!! (shocked I was!).
Per Microsoft the 'new model' is your data should be in the normal 'folders' (Documents, Video, etc.) and all those should be backed up automatically along with all your settings as your REQUIRED to login with a Microsoft LIVE! Account to 'use' Windows 8/8.1/8.1U . Microsoft LIVE! automatically does this function (but in many cases I seen you need to still 'set' many of the directories) AND you get like 1-10GB (I forgot what the amount it is) for FREE. If you need more you need to pay more of course, BUT when you 'Move or reinstall Windows 8.1Upate" it will "automatically and effortlessly restore all your settings, data, etc. as it was synched under the SAME Microsoft LIVE! account you just logged in with". This is the ONLY WAY (per Microsoft) to backup all the settings, data, etc.

3) NEVER will the 'Registry' be backed up nor restorable, this is intertwined with HAL which determines alot of how the OS works, which if backup able would be a easy way to circumvent alot of licensing and authentication processes software (not just Microsoft) relies on. ANY Program all needs to be reinstalled all over again, BUT the "settings for all my software and games" is now housed under your 'profile' (a main reason for all those folders under 'My Documents' for all the games, software, etc.).

4) Steam games have a 'trick' you can perform, to 'migrate from one HD to another' (Google Steam Games move to new drive) to avoid all the download time of those games, though each one will need to be 'reinstalled' so it sets the registry, etc. with all the proper settings.

5) NO you can NOT "simply copy some folders to the new installations", it has NOT worked like that since VISTA was released. FORGET ANY OLD XP TRICKS (everyone has to) they all do NOT work and only 'break' things, because the OSes are significantly different since new security model, etc. was installed with Vista going forward. The 'parts' that make things work are in MANY MANY MANY different directories BASED ON EACH PROGRAM SEPERATELY. So there is no 'drag AppDATA' and be done, because that ignores the one key file from "C:\Windows\System32\AE3FTS30-ASYDGHS-7253\blah\yada\echo" that is a hidden system directory only accessible by 'Trusted Installer' (Google this inaccessible system 'account' built into Windows that make you no longer 'God' over your Windows).

 

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@ Tom Tancredi That is quite informative. For one thing I am pretty certain I am using a retail Windows 8, not OEM. Now from what I understand my best shot would be to use windows live backup? That in itself is problematic. I never did use windows live acc, instead I used a local account. I tend to gravitate away from online/synced features, as I have a slow/not-entirely-stable internet. The thought of even uploading 5-7 gigs or so, is ludicrous for me, at a 20kb/s max upload speed, it would take me a very long time indeed.
But at least I gather now that backing up the registry or manually copying over windows folders is out of the question.

Evidently, I will have to look into the method NiCoM suggested. That and prepare for the prospect that I might just have to manually reinstall AND reconfigure everything, if nothing worked. Needless to say, that would be a gigantic pain in the ass. I get all my software/games digitally, and I don't necessarily keep the sources of everything I purchase, so I may have to redownload a LOT of stuff, which at my current download speed (100kb/s), will take a week or two at least, to cover everything from graphics/3D software to games, and everything in between.

Thanks for your input Tom :)
 


If you bought Windows separately (went to the store), is a self built computer, then your right. If it is a Dell, Gateway, ASUS, etc. NO - IT IS NOT RETAIL, it is OEM. The ONLY way those companies sell computer (to keep their costs down so they can be 'in business' ) is required to sell Windows under the OEM license and terms as outlined by Windows. Just so you know.

That said, IF you have a reail/builder's edition of Windows installed, then you won't really need to worry about this UNLESS something breaks (Windows BLACK screen of death) that you would need to reinstall everything from scratch. In this POST just swapping the hardware will be fine, IF your license is as your indicating.



All the software makers, and Microsoft implemented with AZURE, then into Windows 8, is Windows - a operating system is going away, NOW. Devices like iPhones, Android-based devices, etc. all prove the end user no longer wants to do any of the stuff you and I are discussing, and just "wants their stuff with a click". Which means to provide it to any device (aka iPad, iPhone, iTunes, etc.) the SAME way means it has to be ONLINE based, no actual 'software' or such as we know it on the actual 'device' in your hands. So yeah, MS has pushed this as the only way Windows 8.1/8.1U works (you have no choice).
(http://www.infoworld.com/article/2609679/microsoft-windows/solving-the-mystery-of-windows-8-1-s-missing-features.html)

Now if you DO need to backup your data (Documents, Video, etc.), you will NOT be able to backup the 'settings' though. In that case, you CAN use any use number of software products out there to 'back up your profile settings' (misnomer they only mean the files not really the settings) that many times come with Ext Drives, or COPY AND PASTE (do NOT drag and drop) to a Ext HD.

Now there is some Caveats:
1) Since Vista to be backwards compatible there is the use of 'virutal' links in the OS, so where you may 'see' (by turning on SHOW Systems files - VERY BAD!!!) My Documents which internally links to Documents. When you see the actual link and when 'followed' it will error/cause a endless loop of 'subfolder' My Documents you click your way down and down and down.... COPY and PASTE avoids this as compared to 'DRAG AND DROP'
2) NEVER reveal System FILES, these are now very sensitive the most minor things, and really you are a "Power User' even under Administrator account, as Trusted Installer handles all these, which if you get in its way causes Windows to FUBAR.
3) turn OFF Hidden files when you COPY AND PASTE, this will avoid FUBAR your profile on the new machine if you tried to copy the HIDDEN folders (like AppData) over to the new 'Windows'. Worst happens is the profile is corrupted, BUT since Vista, that 'profile' name is FOREVER etched into the HIVE/Registry (even if you manually removed every instance) and only with a complete REINSTALL of Windows can you ever use that SAME profile name ever again on that PC.
 
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For the gpu, the best option is always the best price/performance, right now the 980's price is good compared to the 700-series, though it's getting blown out the water by the much cheaper 970 with similar performance. Cheaper means you'll be able to upgrade sooner, which is good because not either of the two will be great cards in 3-4 years. So being able to upgrade in 2-3 years because you didn't spend as much now is a better solution.

So yeah right now you'll have less performance, but in 2-3 years you would have been stuck with the 980 whereas you'll be able to get a new card at that time if you didn't spend as much and bought the 970.

Pretty hard to explain but i hope you understand what i mean. Best price/performance is what will give you the best performance over the years between upgrades, for the same budget. ;)
 

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@ Tom Tancredi
I get the picture now. And I do get the allure of everything being synced 'in the cloud', it's just that to those of us who don't have the luxury of living in a country with decent internet, this can become mostly useless.

I am certainly backing up all that can be (pictures, videos, project files, etc), and contend to the fact I might just have to reconfigure everything from scratch. At least, in my unique situation.

That's also interesting, about the hidden system files. Because I have the habit of making them visible just so that I can keep an eye on things. Though obviously I am careful never to alter them.

Thanks for everything, I think that mostly answers my concerns.

@ NiCoM
Hmm.. I have to admit, I did not think about it from that angle. Indeed, if I DO save up the difference in price 980 to 970, I can put that money instead into a future budget for upgrading to the new cards when they're available. Basically, frequent cheaper upgrades, rather than sparse expensive upgrades.

Definitely worth mulling over. Thanks for the suggestion!
 

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Here is an update for those who might be interested in how things turned out.

Initially, I bought the i7-4970k & the ASRock z87 Extreme 4. Before I installed them, I backed up pretty much everything I could, and prepared for the worst. But believe it or not, despite the fact I changed to an entirely new chipset and switched from AMD to Intel, the windows started up perfectly normally. I didn't even have to try and fix the windows (I had a bootable USB with w8 at hand that I never used). The only thing new, was a "Getting devices ready" screen with the windows 8 Logo, that lasted a few minutes the first time I booted up the system. After which, everything started up same as usual, nothing was lost as far as I can tell.

I really have no idea why the whole process was so smooth and effortless, because everything I read about installing new MB/CPU suggested otherwise. But hey, I am not complaining.
 


The main element here is your licensed version of Windows was correct, as many get a OEM 'on sale' or 'parents got me' and then are not capable of playing at the level they want to achieve and figure 'if I just change out the CPU/Mobo all will be okay' and not realizing there is alot more to it.

You did every step right (had a bootable USB with w8 at hand) preparing for the worst but glad for the easiest :) Most dont' even think about stuff like this, then when it does 'fail' they 'reboot it to fix it' over and over, blah blah Oh F! My system is piece of S! HELP! and so on. Nice to see someone finally doing it right and getting the best results. Enjoy the new system!