Very First PC Build Planning. HELP

amielskywalker

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Hi guys, I'm new to pc building and I've been scouring around the internet for weeks now trying to learn how to build and choose pc components. I live in Italy so components are fairly expensive on amazon.it that's the only site I can shop including ebay.it. So I made a video on my build and I need your guys' opinion if I selected the right stuffs for 1000 euros. here's a link of the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lYfgmEifpU&index=1&list=UU0JrRm-QrhuA99a-DSioosQ
 
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Yea this forum is filled with people who think you need a 550W PSU to power an i5-4440 and GTX970 (a less than 300W load) and plenty more who think that same 550W is plenty for an overclocked AM3+ rig (a 600-800W or more load depending on GPU configuration).

I've built, overclocked, benched, stress tested, and measured 3 piledriver systems, two with FX-6300's, one with an FX-8350. I can tell you from my direct experience that you do not want to overclock an FX-8320/50 with any less than 250-300W set aside for the CPU and associated VRM losses. More if you want to go water cooling and get fancy with a beefier 990FX motherboard.

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The stock R9 280X has a peak power dissipation of ~250-260W at stock clocks...

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Get a better power supply. That will be a bit meh. Those 80+ and 80+ Bronzes' aren't exactly top grade. You can step down the CPU to a 6300, eight cores won't help in gaming. If you can, getting an i5 would be better, but maybe less worth it unless you're going to be doing some serious stuff. The R9 280x, you would be better off saving money on your GPU, and putting more money into a beter build. Try an MSI Gaming 270X, it's cheaper. I also love MSI, so I might be bias :)
 

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Hi thanks for the suggestions, I mainly took the 8320 because I'm doing video editing too and the 8 cores might help on rendering videos according to what I've read on the internet. Also if I was to get a 280x what psu should I get?

 

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Actually an i5 performs about the same in video editing, and significantly better in gaming (up to ~60% higher minimum FPS all other things being equal for the i5-4590 vs FX-8320)

The motherboard you have selected scares me for running a 125W Vishera chip. The VRM configuration looks weak to me. If you insist on doing an AMD build on a budget, look at the GA-78LMT-USB3, it's the cheapest motherboard I am aware of that comes with a heatsunk VRM configuration that is known to be pretty robust. It's also a pretty full-featured board for a 760 chipset, I was very surprised with the BIOS features, settings, performance tuning options, and posting/boot speeds.

If you're not overclocking, (as indicated in the video), the peak power dissipation of an FX-8320 + R9 280X (+760 chipset, + southbridge/sound/USB/ethernet/drives/fans/RAM etc) would be ~400-450W. By "peak" I mean furmark+P95 stress testing. Under normal conditions (gaming/video editing), the power dissipation would rarely exceed 350W from the PSU. The reason I bring this up, is that selecting a PSU should be more about selecting quality than wattage ratings. The EVGA 600B is made by HEC/Compucase, a brand known for making low end junk. Granted, the 600B is not a terrible quality PSU, but if it were me, I'd be looking for a unit made from better quality parts and a more "derated" wattage rating on the label. A really well made 450W PSU with high thermal tolerances and better efficiency can actually be more reliable in the long run for the power dissipation of this machine, than a mediocre 600W rated PSU with less overhead built into the design and component selection.
 

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hi, thanks for your response, would you say the Corsair CS650M be enough if I do decide to overclock my system? what wattage would i get if i try and overclock a cpu and gpu? thanks again

 

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Power dissipation scales up very fast with overclocking, however, if you are going to buy a $50 motherboard you aren't going to be able to overclock very far because the voltage regulation on the motherboard itself that provides power to the CPU socket is not substantial enough to allow significant overclocking.

If you want to overclock on the AM3+ platform, the least expensive motherboard that is well suited to do this is the GA-970A-UD3P. Assuming you switch to this board, you will need to account for up to ~300W peak power dissipation for the CPU and VRMs when overclocked. (this is assuming you don't exceed ~1.5V on the CPU).

The peak power dissipation of the 280X will depend on which specific model and what sort power threshold the BIOS will allow. Some models with factory overclocks can be pushed near the 400W territory at peak power dissipation.

If you're following along, you might notice that going from a non-overclocked setup at ~450W peak power dissipation, to an overclocked setup, has put us at ~700W dissipation for just the CPU and GPU, not including the additional fans required to do this, and the remaining system components (~50W+). Assuming you lean a bit more conservative on the overclocks, a 750W PSU is about the right size for this system, and assuming you want the headroom to push the limits, an 850W PSU is required.

This is pretty typical, overclocking can approximately double the power dissipation of a CPU or GPU. When observed from a practical standpoint, mild overclocks can be a value-add, but aggressive overclocking is best reserved for novelty sake. If you want to get your toes wet on overclocking on the AM3+ platform on a budget I highly recommend the FX-6300. For equal cooling, VRMs, etc, it will typically clock at least 15% higher than an FX-8320, which, can translate to better performance in most games, and a pretty reasonable compromise for performance in video editing etc. The FX-6300 allows us to hit more exciting overclocks with cheaper motherboards and cooling. Doesn't hurt that the CPU itself is also typically a bit cheaper.
 

mdocod

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Yea this forum is filled with people who think you need a 550W PSU to power an i5-4440 and GTX970 (a less than 300W load) and plenty more who think that same 550W is plenty for an overclocked AM3+ rig (a 600-800W or more load depending on GPU configuration).

I've built, overclocked, benched, stress tested, and measured 3 piledriver systems, two with FX-6300's, one with an FX-8350. I can tell you from my direct experience that you do not want to overclock an FX-8320/50 with any less than 250-300W set aside for the CPU and associated VRM losses. More if you want to go water cooling and get fancy with a beefier 990FX motherboard.

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The stock R9 280X has a peak power dissipation of ~250-260W at stock clocks, this has been measured and confirmed by dozens of hardware review sites INCLUDING tomshardware. You should have no problems finding these results with a google search.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7406/the-sapphire-r9-280x-toxic-review/5

Note the difference in power dissipation in furmark (a "power virus" for finding peak power dissipation, basically), between the factory R9 280X, and the overclocked 280X toxic. After accounting for the PSU efficiancy losses, that's about a 135W rise in power dissipation with the card overclocked. That 250-260W GPU just became a 400W GPU with overclocking.

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The AM3+ platform is old. the chipsets use more power, and there is less consolidation of components. The result is that it is less efficient in general.
 
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