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noobsnip3r
October 10, 2014 11:45:15 PM
Hi so let me preface this build by explaining my reasoning for a build of this power. It is not for the looks or just to "get the girls", this will be a legitimate build not only for work, but video gaming as well as video rendering. I went with the parts I did because ,as much as I know I hate and most of you probably hate, I wanted to future proof my build so that if one GPU went out id still have the other one chugging along. I wanted to get that out of the way so people weren't up my ass about the parts of this build
Now my main question is to the water coolers out there and the parts that are listed as custom parts in the pc partpicker link here: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/noobsniper/saved/qkytt6 I would like to know whether or not I have all of the necessary parts for water cooling 2 gpus and a cpu. I also want to know if i should go with a rigid or flexible tubing for my watercooling loop. (this is a first time build) Also should I just wait until EKWB releases their water blocks for the 970 and drop the two 980s down to 970s or just shoot for the 980s. This question is more directed to straight pc building and it is if SLI is really worth it for such a high end card like the 980's and If i were to run SLI would I notice anything different about performance with these cards. I would also like clear cut evidence for this and this may be hard to prove because from my own research there is not a lot of stuff on the 980s yet.
Thanks you everyone for your answers and help at this stage I will really only following the suggestions of people who are answering what I asked. Sorry if this comes off as rude but I really am close to building this computer and am not changing many components
Now my main question is to the water coolers out there and the parts that are listed as custom parts in the pc partpicker link here: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/noobsniper/saved/qkytt6 I would like to know whether or not I have all of the necessary parts for water cooling 2 gpus and a cpu. I also want to know if i should go with a rigid or flexible tubing for my watercooling loop. (this is a first time build) Also should I just wait until EKWB releases their water blocks for the 970 and drop the two 980s down to 970s or just shoot for the 980s. This question is more directed to straight pc building and it is if SLI is really worth it for such a high end card like the 980's and If i were to run SLI would I notice anything different about performance with these cards. I would also like clear cut evidence for this and this may be hard to prove because from my own research there is not a lot of stuff on the 980s yet.
Thanks you everyone for your answers and help at this stage I will really only following the suggestions of people who are answering what I asked. Sorry if this comes off as rude but I really am close to building this computer and am not changing many components
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i7Baby
October 10, 2014 11:55:46 PM
I would've got an ASRock Z97 Extreme 6 or Asus Z97 Maxiumus Hero mobo.
And GSkill Ares ram. Corsair Dominator Platinum is too expensive. I would've got 1866 1.5v cl9 ram.
I would've only got a Corsair 750D case. The 990D is too big.
I would've just got an evga Supernova 750W gold PSU. It'll do for 2 x 980's.
I wouldn't get any extra case fans till I've tried what comes with the case.
You need to sketch out the loop(s) along with hoses and fittings, to help qualify your fittings list.
Personally, I'd just use a Noctua DH14 or Corsair H100i for the CPU and choose Cards with good cooling eg Asus.
But it looks like you're into bling.
And GSkill Ares ram. Corsair Dominator Platinum is too expensive. I would've got 1866 1.5v cl9 ram.
I would've only got a Corsair 750D case. The 990D is too big.
I would've just got an evga Supernova 750W gold PSU. It'll do for 2 x 980's.
I wouldn't get any extra case fans till I've tried what comes with the case.
You need to sketch out the loop(s) along with hoses and fittings, to help qualify your fittings list.
Personally, I'd just use a Noctua DH14 or Corsair H100i for the CPU and choose Cards with good cooling eg Asus.
But it looks like you're into bling.
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Alpha3031
October 10, 2014 11:59:36 PM
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noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 12:03:25 AM
1. The work I focus on is the usage of CAD for drafting as well as music production and as I said above video rendering
2. I play mostly Diablo 3 right now because I have a craptastic laptop but once I build this computer I plan to play BF4, The Crew, The Division (if it ever comes out) and a few other less system intensive games like solitaire and minesweeper,
3 Yes on the overclocking but most likely only the cpu but maybe the vgas depend on how comfortable I am on doing tat
2. I play mostly Diablo 3 right now because I have a craptastic laptop but once I build this computer I plan to play BF4, The Crew, The Division (if it ever comes out) and a few other less system intensive games like solitaire and minesweeper,
3 Yes on the overclocking but most likely only the cpu but maybe the vgas depend on how comfortable I am on doing tat
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i7Baby
October 11, 2014 12:08:08 AM
noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 12:13:30 AM
Alpha3031
October 11, 2014 12:15:11 AM
noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 12:16:57 AM
i7Baby
October 11, 2014 12:22:38 AM
noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 12:30:28 AM
I hate to tell you dude but unless you actually use CAD for work do not comment. The higher the speed the faster images will be able to render in CAD therefore there is indeed a reason for oc and just because those are the minimum requirements doesnt mean they are the best parts for the job. So if you wouldnt mind because I really dont know if you are trolling or not but I am trying to get some information some of which you are giving me is false. So please stop commenting on this thread.
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i7Baby
October 11, 2014 12:47:44 AM
I think you're a show pony.
AutoCAD - http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troublesh...
Windows
Pentium
4gb ram
6gb hdd space
768p monitor
IE 7
DVD player
AutoCAD - http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troublesh...
Windows
Pentium
4gb ram
6gb hdd space
768p monitor
IE 7
DVD player
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noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 12:50:35 AM
i7Baby
October 11, 2014 12:54:11 AM
noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 12:57:37 AM
Ok so lets go ahead and go over your pc build to see what you are running and then we can see what we can scaledown for your build depending on what you do Profanity removed. Please keep it clean. - SS
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Alpha3031
October 11, 2014 12:58:44 AM
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Alpha3031
October 11, 2014 2:15:36 AM
A bit of reading I found: http://blog.grabcad.com/blog/2011/07/12/how-to-build-a-...
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i7Baby
October 11, 2014 2:47:01 AM
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@i7Baby, it greatly depends on precisely what you're doing. The moment you get modelling in there (e.g. CFD or stress analysis for structures), the processing requirements go up massively.There's a big gap between what the OP has proposed and what AutoCAD recommends. (The OP hasn't said what package he's using).
The i7 4790k is fine. Two gtx 980's seem overkill. I'd say one 970 or 980 would be more suitable.
Then there's the rest of y suggestions above.
As I said, I think he'd be able to put together a suitable build for half his $5000.
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Alpha3031
October 11, 2014 3:14:01 AM
I got bored, so I made a build that may be good
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X99-UD3 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($238.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($449.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 980 4GB AMP! Edition Video Card ($549.95 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master HAF X ATX Full Tower Case ($159.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 750W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer (Purchased For $0.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Professional (OEM) (64-bit) ($100.00)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($158.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($158.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VN248H 23.8" Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Case Fan: Cooler Master Megaflow 110.0 CFM 200mm Fan ($14.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A15 PWM 140mm Fan ($16.99 @ NCIX US)
Keyboard: Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Green LED Backlit (Red Cherry MX) Wired Standard Keyboard ($139.00 @ Mechanical Keyboards)
Mouse: Razer Razer Naga 2014 Wired Laser Mouse ($67.09 @ Amazon)
Other: Quadro K2000D or similar pro GPU ($500.00)
Total: $3204.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-11 06:12 EDT-0400
The other two monitors are cheaper and slightly smaller, if you don't mind. The 200mm fan is for the case, the 140mm is for the cpu cooler.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X99-UD3 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($238.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($449.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 980 4GB AMP! Edition Video Card ($549.95 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master HAF X ATX Full Tower Case ($159.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 750W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer (Purchased For $0.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Professional (OEM) (64-bit) ($100.00)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($158.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($158.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VN248H 23.8" Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Case Fan: Cooler Master Megaflow 110.0 CFM 200mm Fan ($14.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A15 PWM 140mm Fan ($16.99 @ NCIX US)
Keyboard: Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Green LED Backlit (Red Cherry MX) Wired Standard Keyboard ($139.00 @ Mechanical Keyboards)
Mouse: Razer Razer Naga 2014 Wired Laser Mouse ($67.09 @ Amazon)
Other: Quadro K2000D or similar pro GPU ($500.00)
Total: $3204.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-11 06:12 EDT-0400
The other two monitors are cheaper and slightly smaller, if you don't mind. The 200mm fan is for the case, the 140mm is for the cpu cooler.
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i7Baby
October 11, 2014 3:17:42 AM
noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 8:44:04 AM
noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 8:52:11 AM
i7Baby
October 11, 2014 2:12:20 PM
noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 2:22:48 PM
Alpha3031
October 11, 2014 6:26:05 PM
i7Baby
October 11, 2014 6:29:10 PM
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Alpha3031
October 11, 2014 6:45:03 PM
noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 6:45:14 PM
noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 6:46:31 PM
I would generally advise against using the same PC for both heavy CAD work and gaming. Pick one (preferably work) and design your workstation with reliability in mind. Get a business class motherboard, Xeon CPU, Quadro/FirePro graphics, and two HDDs in RAID1 for your valuable data (SSD for your system drop is optional).
Don't overclock or install custom watercooling in a workstation. If it breaks or leaks you will not be able to use it and then you're out of a job until it's fixed.
If you wish to play games on it, go right ahead, but please remember that it's a workstation first and a gaming PC second.
Don't overclock or install custom watercooling in a workstation. If it breaks or leaks you will not be able to use it and then you're out of a job until it's fixed.
If you wish to play games on it, go right ahead, but please remember that it's a workstation first and a gaming PC second.
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noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 7:22:00 PM
Its also a ton easier to turn a workstation machine into a gaming PC than the other way around. Literally just slap a gaming GPU into the thing and it can game, not so the other way around.
Never looked into it, but I cant think of any reason why you couldn't have both a gaming and workstation card in the same system. Just dont mix AMD and Nvidia, Nvidia is a bit dickish and will disable CUDA if it detects a non-Nvidia GPU in the system.
Also with custom water, read this first
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2232179/water-cool...
My advice is dont get custom water, both for the reasons Pinhedd states and that this is your first build and its expensive already. Water-cooling makes everything so much more complicated, and thats the last thing you want when its your first build and your juggling four grand.
At the very least, build the machine and keep some money to upgrade to custom water in 3-4 months when your more comfortable with it all.
Never looked into it, but I cant think of any reason why you couldn't have both a gaming and workstation card in the same system. Just dont mix AMD and Nvidia, Nvidia is a bit dickish and will disable CUDA if it detects a non-Nvidia GPU in the system.
Also with custom water, read this first
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2232179/water-cool...
My advice is dont get custom water, both for the reasons Pinhedd states and that this is your first build and its expensive already. Water-cooling makes everything so much more complicated, and thats the last thing you want when its your first build and your juggling four grand.
At the very least, build the machine and keep some money to upgrade to custom water in 3-4 months when your more comfortable with it all.
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Another piece of advice.
As much fun as building one's own PC is, there are many advantages to going with OEM workstations from the likes of Dell and HP. HP may be known for making fragile consumer printers, but their business and enterprise hardware is built to withstand a nuclear blast.
The same is true for Dell. If anything fails, they'll have a replacement at your doorstep within 48 hours (often less) at no cost to you. You won't be stuck trudging your way through a lengthy RMA process like you would with most other consumer hardware.
If money is not an insurmountable barrier, you should consider this as an option as well.
As much fun as building one's own PC is, there are many advantages to going with OEM workstations from the likes of Dell and HP. HP may be known for making fragile consumer printers, but their business and enterprise hardware is built to withstand a nuclear blast.
The same is true for Dell. If anything fails, they'll have a replacement at your doorstep within 48 hours (often less) at no cost to you. You won't be stuck trudging your way through a lengthy RMA process like you would with most other consumer hardware.
If money is not an insurmountable barrier, you should consider this as an option as well.
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noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 8:27:44 PM
noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 8:30:31 PM
Well then I guess because money isn't currently an issue, but the work PC will be built first, will my build be fine to watercool and oc and pimp out for the sake of gaming as a second build. That way I have two separate machines. I just want to have nvidia surround and i want to know if i can achieve this with one 980 or if to is necessary. Other than that, for a gaming build is it all set?
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noobsnip3r said:
Well then I guess because money isn't currently an issue, but the work PC will be built first, will my build be fine to watercool and oc and pimp out for the sake of gaming as a second build. That way I have two separate machines. I just want to have nvidia surround and i want to know if i can achieve this with one 980 or if to is necessary. Other than that, for a gaming build is it all set?There's a few things that I would modify.
1. Swap out that Corsair Dominator Platinum memory for something more... reasonable. It's massively overpriced, especially for DDR3-1600. If you wish to stay within spec, grab some Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1600; if you wish to go higher to say DDR3-2400 grab some Mushkin Redline.
2. The Corsair 900D is a massive case. I have an 800D myself and it fits my rig (sig) perfectly. At the very least you should make some measurements first.
3. If money is not a big issue, consider upgrading to 3 x 27 inch monitors instead of 3 x 24 inch monitors. You'll appreciate this when you play games that do not support surround.
4. You have a total of 14 fans in your purchase list not including those included with the 900D. That seems a bit absurd. If you wish to add watercooling you should use the Corsair SP120 (Static Pressure)* fans for the radiator rather than the AF120 (Air Flow) fans. I have 3x SP120 Quiet Edition on my radiator, they work beautifully. *Static pressure is useful for forcing air across highly impeded pathways such as radiators and thick heatsinks.
5. Reviewers haven't always been particularly kind to EVGA's PSUs, and 750 watts is a little bit on the low side. In particular, reviewers have noticed that despite having sub 200 watt TDPs the GeForce 900 series can have power spikes. I would recommend swapping that out for a SeaSonic X-850 at minimum.
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noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 8:49:28 PM
Yeah I had edited the pcpart list for SP fans but I guess I didnt save it and 14 is for a push/pull on a 480mm rad on the side and a push 360mm rad on the top plus four extra fans with one to spare.
What is the opinion of Corsair PSUs and their overall awesomeness?
Also sadly I already bought one 24" as the list says and im not going through another rma return through newegg.
Also I was looking for a larger case to fit a larger rad in or even a dual loop one for the vga and the other for the cpu and mobo. (future proof) In comparison with the SMA8 by case labs the size of the 900d is puny
Finally I see your build is watercooled and do you have any diagram of how the water loop is layed out and how many monitors do you run?
What is the opinion of Corsair PSUs and their overall awesomeness?
Also sadly I already bought one 24" as the list says and im not going through another rma return through newegg.
Also I was looking for a larger case to fit a larger rad in or even a dual loop one for the vga and the other for the cpu and mobo. (future proof) In comparison with the SMA8 by case labs the size of the 900d is puny
Finally I see your build is watercooled and do you have any diagram of how the water loop is layed out and how many monitors do you run?
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noobsnip3r said:
Yeah I had edited the pcpart list for SP fans but I guess I didnt save it and 14 is for a push/pull on a 480mm rad on the side and a push 360mm rad on the top plus four extra fans with one to spare.What is the opinion of Corsair PSUs and their overall awesomeness?
Also sadly I already bought one 24" as the list says and im not going through another rma return through newegg.
Also I was looking for a larger case to fit a larger rad in or even a dual loop one for the vga and the other for the cpu and mobo. (future proof) In comparison with the SMA8 by case labs the size of the 900d is puny
Finally I see your build is watercooled and do you have any diagram of how the water loop is layed out and how many monitors do you run?
Corsair PSUs have historically been very highly regarded. However, some allege that their quality has slipped in recent years. This may be due to a shift in manufacturers (they don't manufacture them) and the introduction of more products in midrange and low end markets. SeaSonic is the absolute best of the best as far as PSUs are concerned, with the X series and Platinum series as their flagships. I use a Seasonic X-1250 in my PC.
If you're going with Push/Pull I would highly advise using the Quiet Edition fans. With dual radiators you may be able to forego Push/Pull entirely.
I had a dual-loop in my old PC, it was more trouble than it was worth. Granted I had everything on water, CPU, 2x GPUs, North Bridge, South Bridge, and VRMs
. Right now I have only my CPU on liquid, the GPUs are air cooled. My setup is a very traditional Reservoir -> Pump -> CPU -> Radiator -> Reservoir. Thanks to the massive heat capacity of water based coolants, the particular order does not matter, just connect them in whatever way uses the least tubing. -
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noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 9:40:24 PM
noobsnip3r
October 11, 2014 9:46:35 PM
noobsnip3r said:
So you are saying with the duals i can just run push on the top and pull on the side?Push and Push, unless there's some funny setup that you had in mind with that side radiator. You can always add more later on if you feel like it.
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also how do you feel about Kingston HyperX Beast RAM?Great. Kingston HyperX Beast uses newer DRAM ICs so it has JEDEC profiles for a lot of the higher speed bins in addition to XMP profiles for tighter timings or even more speed. Also, higher density!
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October 12, 2014 8:28:44 AM
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