My GPU not using all its power and getting bad framerates
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Dawis67_AE
October 12, 2014 9:29:04 AM
Now keep in mind i dont say 50fps is bad framerate, but i have 970 and i am playing AC3 (on max ofc) and i am getting 45,48,50 framerates. Why not over 100 like on Max payne 3 (also maxed out) and the weirdest part is that on MSI afterburner it shows only about 60% of the gpu power is used. Any ideas?
I am running windows 8,1 with I7 4790k, 8gb ram.
I am running windows 8,1 with I7 4790k, 8gb ram.
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kapitalistas
October 12, 2014 9:39:06 AM
Dawis67_AE
October 12, 2014 9:42:27 AM
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cst1992
October 12, 2014 9:44:06 AM
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October 12, 2014 9:44:31 AM
jkteddy77
October 12, 2014 10:47:45 AM
Dawis67_AE said:
kapitalistas said:
assassin creed 3 very demanding game so its normal to get that kind performance(try lower play with settings in game.hope it helps.I have 970 after all. If u dont know what that is, then it is the newest GPU at the moment.
My R9 290 and the R9 290x get about that as well man, it is normal... AC4 is just that badly optimized. Your 970 is a little weaker than the 780ti, and the 780ti struggles to hold 60. Max Payne frames sound normal too.
Is it the Card's GPU usage that is under 100%? Turn off Vsync the game if possible. Any game that caps at 60fps, your card will naturally not use all of itself since the game cuts off performance at 60fps.
Now, go try a game like Crysis, Metro, or Battlefield. If any of those are not at 100%, I would look into it. Very odd, when I had low GPU usage, it was vause my 8350 was a bottleneck, but now I have a 4790k, same as you, and my 290 is always at 100% usage.
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Dawis67_AE
October 12, 2014 11:29:41 AM
cst1992 said:
The first thing to try is to check exactly where you're limited. Try tweaking settings to see how they affect framerate. What are the settings that when lowered, give you more frames? Don't just assume you should get x frames in a game because you have one of the fastest cards.jkteddy77 said:
Dawis67_AE said:
kapitalistas said:
assassin creed 3 very demanding game so its normal to get that kind performance(try lower play with settings in game.hope it helps.I have 970 after all. If u dont know what that is, then it is the newest GPU at the moment.
My R9 290 and the R9 290x get about that as well man, it is normal... AC4 is just that badly optimized. Your 970 is a little weaker than the 780ti, and the 780ti struggles to hold 60. Max Payne frames sound normal too.
Is it the Card's GPU usage that is under 100%? Turn off Vsync the game if possible. Any game that caps at 60fps, your card will naturally not use all of itself since the game cuts off performance at 60fps.
Now, go try a game like Crysis, Metro, or Battlefield. If any of those are not at 100%, I would look into it. Very odd, when I had low GPU usage, it was vause my 8350 was a bottleneck, but now I have a 4790k, same as you, and my 290 is always at 100% usage.
Ok ty. I am downloading BF 3 now. I will buy BF 4 later along with Crysis. And btw it was AC3 not AC4 i was talking about. AC4 gives me 30+ fps (40avg)
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October 12, 2014 11:34:31 AM
Dawis67_AE
October 12, 2014 12:04:50 PM
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Another possible issue here, is that your CPU is what is limiting performance. It is quite common to have the CPU not be capable of feeding the GPU fast enough, causing a bottleneck. It is more common in console ports.I have i7 4790k with 4.2ghz on 100% CPU load. (Stress test on MSI Intel Extreme Tune)
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October 12, 2014 12:16:14 PM
Dawis67_AE said:
bystander said:
Another possible issue here, is that your CPU is what is limiting performance. It is quite common to have the CPU not be capable of feeding the GPU fast enough, causing a bottleneck. It is more common in console ports.I have i7 4790k with 4.2ghz on 100% CPU load. (Stress test on MSI Intel Extreme Tune)
And?
There are plenty of ports, such as the GTA games, which become CPU bottlenecked on anything. There is no CPU in existence which is immune to bottlenecking.
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October 12, 2014 12:36:26 PM
bystander said:
Dawis67_AE said:
bystander said:
Another possible issue here, is that your CPU is what is limiting performance. It is quite common to have the CPU not be capable of feeding the GPU fast enough, causing a bottleneck. It is more common in console ports.I have i7 4790k with 4.2ghz on 100% CPU load. (Stress test on MSI Intel Extreme Tune)
And?
There are plenty of ports, such as the GTA games, which become CPU bottlenecked on anything. There is no CPU in existence which is immune to bottlenecking.
CPUs arent really bottlenecks these days.
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October 12, 2014 12:48:50 PM
Dawis67_AE
October 12, 2014 12:54:53 PM
cst1992 said:
You should change your know-it-all attitude.There are people on this forum who have years and years of real world experience in building and maintaining PCs, and will know more than you can possibly. I'm not saying I'm one of them, but still, there are.
I am not saying you are wrong. I am getting 50C temps on my CPU under stress test (h100i cooler) and i think its a bit too low. IDK, maybe i just got good model for the card or something. IDK
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October 12, 2014 1:18:34 PM
bystander
October 12, 2014 1:24:42 PM
Dawis67_AE said:
cst1992 said:
You should change your know-it-all attitude.There are people on this forum who have years and years of real world experience in building and maintaining PCs, and will know more than you can possibly. I'm not saying I'm one of them, but still, there are.
I am not saying you are wrong. I am getting 50C temps on my CPU under stress test (h100i cooler) and i think its a bit too low. IDK, maybe i just got good model for the card or something. IDK
Assuming all drivers are properly installed and no software conflicts, if you are getting low FPS with less than 99% usage, it is because of one of the following:
1) V-sync
2) FPS cap
3) bottleneck
At the FPS range you are talking about, that rules out 1 and 2. And you are sadly mistaken about CPU's not being bottlenecks these days. These days are the days of the most bottlenecks ever. CPU upgrades from generation to generation has been around 15%, compared to 50%+ from GPU's. GPU's are getting faster and faster compared to CPU's. Games developed on consoles experience a larger issue, as they often are developed for 30 FPS.
Yes, many games will not be CPU bottlenecked, but there are some games which will. AC3 and 4 are good examples of this. GTA4 is also bad.
You may find there is one setting that is using the CPU more than most. Perhaps you need to try and test some different settings out and find the culprit.
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jkteddy77
October 12, 2014 3:47:48 PM
I suggest a few test that will always give you exact results as to whether your GPU is underperforming or not, then compare it to what other sites got.
Get Unigine Valley and Unigine Heaven benchmarks. Run the two tests, and compare your average fps result with what other sites/users are saying they get. If you are getting the same numbers as them, chances are that there is nothing wrong with your GPU or CPU, and that it is just the game. The 970 will actually get less fps than the 780 since its just optimized for it, but as long as you match other people's results, you will have your answer.
BTW, what other games are getting under 100% gpu usage?
Chances are that the 4790k is more than enough for the card
You guys are bringing up bottlenecks, but if it were an FX cpu like the 6300/8350, or an i3 or weaker i5, then MAYBE, but he has the newest i7.
For example, the 970 is only lik 10% faster than my 290, and the 8350 at 4.7gh would bottleneck it.
However I now have the 4790k too. I gained fps in all games and have NEVER seen a game Bottleneck the 290 yet, even GTA4 it is at 95-100% gpu usage
I personally think it is just the game, Ubisoft is famous for havng poor optimization. We need to determine if this happens commonly in more games to narrow down the issue.
Also how is your 4790k set up? I run 4.4ghz at 1.2v. I get about 65C max with my NH-D14. What voltage/clock/temps are you running with that h100i?
Get Unigine Valley and Unigine Heaven benchmarks. Run the two tests, and compare your average fps result with what other sites/users are saying they get. If you are getting the same numbers as them, chances are that there is nothing wrong with your GPU or CPU, and that it is just the game. The 970 will actually get less fps than the 780 since its just optimized for it, but as long as you match other people's results, you will have your answer.
BTW, what other games are getting under 100% gpu usage?
Chances are that the 4790k is more than enough for the card
You guys are bringing up bottlenecks, but if it were an FX cpu like the 6300/8350, or an i3 or weaker i5, then MAYBE, but he has the newest i7.
For example, the 970 is only lik 10% faster than my 290, and the 8350 at 4.7gh would bottleneck it.
However I now have the 4790k too. I gained fps in all games and have NEVER seen a game Bottleneck the 290 yet, even GTA4 it is at 95-100% gpu usage
I personally think it is just the game, Ubisoft is famous for havng poor optimization. We need to determine if this happens commonly in more games to narrow down the issue.
Also how is your 4790k set up? I run 4.4ghz at 1.2v. I get about 65C max with my NH-D14. What voltage/clock/temps are you running with that h100i?
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October 12, 2014 4:40:07 PM
jkteddy77
October 12, 2014 9:41:00 PM
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Poor optimizations leads to bottlenecks. There is no CPU immune to it. Call it poorly optimizations or what ever, it leads to the CPU holding back the GPU. Though there are other bottlenecks too, but are quite rare.Yes, this is very true, Arma 2 still chokes my 4790k... still can't hold a stable 60fps, no matter the settings in some servers.
This is why I'd like to know all of the titles that he sees this happening in to see if it is just AC3, or if he does have a different issue.
I'll tell you one thing, I doubt it is because the 4790k is at fault. Those two are a perfect pair, it wouldn't be worth upgrading to anything better... all there is is the 5000 series, which aren't much faster.
I blame the game, but it could also be interfering software in the background that is stealing/spiking the CPU or GPU as well. You tried running the title with like absolutely all other programs closed? Doubt you have a virus, but those have been known to steal your CPU usage without windows being able to tell you
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October 12, 2014 10:04:56 PM
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October 12, 2014 10:37:36 PM
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A CPU bottleneck in a few games does not make a CPU a poor match for the GPU. Every game will be different, and a balanced system will experience both CPU and GPU bottlenecks depending on the game. If your CPU never bottlenecks the GPU, you probably spent too much on the CPU.egh I disagree... how long have you had that i7 920? was it worth getting it back then, buying an i7 over an i3 or i5?
That's the same reason I got a 4790k.... futureproofing
The FX series aged poorly, handling basically the 7970 in every game, which was the strongest thing when the FX line was released...
They did not prepare for it to game with future GPU's well.
Also, it's been 6 years, if you do still have 680 sli, you put FAR too much into your GPU needs vs your CPU need. I recommend you get a modern i5 or i7 as your next upgrade, and just you watch those puppies gain fps. They are tied to a post basically, even though it's an i7. Cut them free.
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Dawis67_AE
October 12, 2014 11:34:18 PM
Ok guyz. IDK what to think.
Today before school BF3 finished downloading. I fired up quick match and took the settings to ultra with AA and such. I got arround 40fps and 38 on lowest. It didnt go over 40. I turned Vsync off and took settings down a bit to high and still the same results. MSI afterburner showed GPU temps of 58avg(32 fan speed) and here is surprising part, only arround 50+ power usage. My CPU maxed out at 4.2ghz on the MSI intel extreme tuner which was a stress test. At the stress test my CPU is about 52C and while playing BF3 it went only up to 46at max. And i use H100i CPU cooler.
And all you people talking about CPU bottlenecks need to know that i use 4790k. I could had went for 5000 series but after seeing tests they dont realy perform much better unless used for rendering or videos and such.
IDK whats the problem here.
Today before school BF3 finished downloading. I fired up quick match and took the settings to ultra with AA and such. I got arround 40fps and 38 on lowest. It didnt go over 40. I turned Vsync off and took settings down a bit to high and still the same results. MSI afterburner showed GPU temps of 58avg(32 fan speed) and here is surprising part, only arround 50+ power usage. My CPU maxed out at 4.2ghz on the MSI intel extreme tuner which was a stress test. At the stress test my CPU is about 52C and while playing BF3 it went only up to 46at max. And i use H100i CPU cooler.
And all you people talking about CPU bottlenecks need to know that i use 4790k. I could had went for 5000 series but after seeing tests they dont realy perform much better unless used for rendering or videos and such.
IDK whats the problem here.
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October 13, 2014 12:05:20 AM
Dawis67_AE said:
Ok guyz. IDK what to think.Today before school BF3 finished downloading. I fired up quick match and took the settings to ultra with AA and such. I got arround 40fps and 38 on lowest. It didnt go over 40. I turned Vsync off and took settings down a bit to high and still the same results. MSI afterburner showed GPU temps of 58avg(32 fan speed) and here is surprising part, only arround 50+ power usage. My CPU maxed out at 4.2ghz on the MSI intel extreme tuner which was a stress test. At the stress test my CPU is about 52C and while playing BF3 it went only up to 46at max. And i use H100i CPU cooler.
And all you people talking about CPU bottlenecks need to know that i use 4790k. I could had went for 5000 series but after seeing tests they dont really perform much better unless used for rendering or videos and such.
IDK whats the problem here.
Something is real wrong... what is your 4790k's voltage? do you know? Check your bios if you don't. Honestly the CPU should be getting hotter than that if you are at the voltage I am. My Asus Z97 Pro stocked me at 1.2volts, and I get about 62-63C max with an NH-D14.
Hmm stuck at 38-40fps...
GPU is only about 50%+ usage. egh... you want 95-100% usage... you should be like 90-160 in BF3, tell you that right now
Are you on and old computers HDD? With a new CPU/mobo, you ALWAYS need to reinstall windows to stop problems like this.
If you have the CPU/Mobo drivers all sorted out, try and clean uninstall your nvidia drivers (maybe nvidia driver installtion has this option, or use an outside program like DDU) and then restart your C, and reinstall the latest Nvidia drivers.
Very odd thing, you are definately having more than an AC3 problem. Sounds like it is only in CPU instense games as well
You have the latest Chipset, Bios, and other Mobo drivers from your board's site? find your exact boards product on the manufacturer's site, find their drivers on that page. update as many of the drivers as you can. Basically need the newest CPU-based drivers on the Mobo's site page
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October 13, 2014 12:10:33 AM
jkteddy77 said:
Dawis67_AE said:
Ok guyz. IDK what to think.Today before school BF3 finished downloading. I fired up quick match and took the settings to ultra with AA and such. I got arround 40fps and 38 on lowest. It didnt go over 40. I turned Vsync off and took settings down a bit to high and still the same results. MSI afterburner showed GPU temps of 58avg(32 fan speed) and here is surprising part, only arround 50+ power usage. My CPU maxed out at 4.2ghz on the MSI intel extreme tuner which was a stress test. At the stress test my CPU is about 52C and while playing BF3 it went only up to 46at max. And i use H100i CPU cooler.
And all you people talking about CPU bottlenecks need to know that i use 4790k. I could had went for 5000 series but after seeing tests they dont really perform much better unless used for rendering or videos and such.
IDK whats the problem here.
Something is real wrong... what is your 4790k's voltage? do you know? Check your bios if you don't. Honestly the CPU should be getting hotter than that if you are at the voltage I am. My Asus Z97 Pro stocked me at 1.2volts, and I get about 62-63C max with an NH-D14.
Hmm stuck at 38-40fps...
GPU is only about 50%+ usage. egh... you want 95-100% usage... you should be like 90-160 in BF3, tell you that right now
Are you on and old computers HDD? With a new CPU/mobo, you ALWAYS need to reinstall windows to stop problems like this.
If you have the CPU/Mobo drivers all sorted out, try and clean uninstall your nvidia drivers (maybe nvidia driver installtion has this option, or use an outside program like DDU) and then restart your C, and reinstall the latest Nvidia drivers.
Very odd thing, you are definately having more than an AC3 problem. Sounds like it is only in CPU instense games as well
You have the latest Chipset, Bios, and other Mobo drivers from your board's site? find your exact boards product on the manufacturer's site, find their drivers on that page. update as many of the drivers as you can. Basically need the newest CPU-based drivers on the Mobo's site page
All the parts are newly purchased an put together. I use SSHD to storage my games and SSD for windows. As far as i know i Flashed my BIOS, updated chipset, Lan drivers and i got Intel extreme tuner, intel smart connect and i also got latest Nvidia drivers.
I wont be able to check the voltage now since i am at the school. BTW where u see the voltages when you go to your MoBo?
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October 13, 2014 12:28:42 AM
jkteddy77
October 13, 2014 12:50:50 AM
Dawis67_AE
October 13, 2014 12:52:00 AM
jkteddy77 said:
Dawis67_AE said:
I will try to download the drivers again. And reinstall Nvidia drivers.you can view the Voltage in windows as well if you use something like CPU-Z, or another accurate software (I'd use CPU-Z, installs in like a minute, shows all the cpu info you need.
Ok i am a bit worried right now.
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October 13, 2014 6:33:59 AM
I downloaded CPU-Z and the core voltage is jumping arround. So i went into BIOS and clicked Hardware monitor and it showed that CPU Core is 1.056V and CPU I/O is 1.016 V
Update: I just ran stress test on Intel Extreme tuning Utility and here is screenshot of the stats http://prntscr.com/4vre5y
Also while running test my CPU voltag on CPU-Z is 1.152 V
Update: I just ran stress test on Intel Extreme tuning Utility and here is screenshot of the stats http://prntscr.com/4vre5y
Also while running test my CPU voltag on CPU-Z is 1.152 V
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October 13, 2014 7:19:39 AM
Kari
October 13, 2014 7:51:13 AM
Dawis67_AE said:
Intel ME. quick googling makes me believe the management engine migh have an effect on the pcie controller or something... maybe the old one crippled the pcie bus and couldn't feed enough data to the card. Quite rare bug me thinks, I haven't heard of this before...
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October 13, 2014 8:41:37 AM
jkteddy77 said:
bystander said:
A CPU bottleneck in a few games does not make a CPU a poor match for the GPU. Every game will be different, and a balanced system will experience both CPU and GPU bottlenecks depending on the game. If your CPU never bottlenecks the GPU, you probably spent too much on the CPU.egh I disagree... how long have you had that i7 920? was it worth getting it back then, buying an i7 over an i3 or i5?
That's the same reason I got a 4790k.... futureproofing
The FX series aged poorly, handling basically the 7970 in every game, which was the strongest thing when the FX line was released...
They did not prepare for it to game with future GPU's well.
Also, it's been 6 years, if you do still have 680 sli, you put FAR too much into your GPU needs vs your CPU need. I recommend you get a modern i5 or i7 as your next upgrade, and just you watch those puppies gain fps. They are tied to a post basically, even though it's an i7. Cut them free.
My needs are different than your needs. I play in 3d Vision. 1 card rives my left eye, the other the right eye. The CPU/GPU relationship is different in 3D Vision.
Look at the benchmarks out there. With my OC, I'm getting as good and sometimes better performance than an 8350. While I could improve performance in a few games, the gain is not that large, as CPU performance gains have been small over the last several years. It's disappointing, but it is the nature of progress.
It's rather disappointing to be honest, but that is what we have today.
And just because I say the CPU bottlenecks from time to time on any system, does not mean I'm saying you have to buy a better CPU, only that some games will get bottlenecked easily by the CPU due to how the game was made. You just have to live with that. And while we are at it, why is it not ok to have the CPU bottleneck performance, yet perfectly fine for the GPU to bottleneck you in all your games?
And yes, my next upgrade is likely going to be a CPU, but I waiting for a more significant upgrade than is available today.
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October 13, 2014 9:11:53 AM
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jkteddy77 said:
bystander said:
A CPU bottleneck in a few games does not make a CPU a poor match for the GPU. Every game will be different, and a balanced system will experience both CPU and GPU bottlenecks depending on the game. If your CPU never bottlenecks the GPU, you probably spent too much on the CPU.egh I disagree... how long have you had that i7 920? was it worth getting it back then, buying an i7 over an i3 or i5?
That's the same reason I got a 4790k.... futureproofing
The FX series aged poorly, handling basically the 7970 in every game, which was the strongest thing when the FX line was released...
They did not prepare for it to game with future GPU's well.
Also, it's been 6 years, if you do still have 680 sli, you put FAR too much into your GPU needs vs your CPU need. I recommend you get a modern i5 or i7 as your next upgrade, and just you watch those puppies gain fps. They are tied to a post basically, even though it's an i7. Cut them free.
My needs are different than your needs. I play in 3d Vision. 1 card rives my left eye, the other the right eye. The CPU/GPU relationship is different in 3D Vision.
Look at the benchmarks out there. With my OC, I'm getting as good and sometimes better performance than an 8350. While I could improve performance in a few games, the gain is not that large, as CPU performance gains have been small over the last several years. It's disappointing, but it is the nature of progress.
It's rather disappointing to be honest, but that is what we have today.
And just because I say the CPU bottlenecks from time to time on any system, does not mean I'm saying you have to buy a better CPU, only that some games will get bottlenecked easily by the CPU due to how the game was made. You just have to live with that. And while we are at it, why is it not ok to have the CPU bottleneck performance, yet perfectly fine for the GPU to bottleneck you in all your games?
And yes, my next upgrade is likely going to be a CPU, but I waiting for a more significant upgrade than is available today.
Yeah, if you are still satisfied with it, I would wait for Broadwell in summer of 2015. That will hopefully be the first significantly faster cPU since Sandy Bridge.
I WANT my GPU to be the bottleneck because that is the part that decides how fast your game can run in about 95% of video games. The game is rendered on your GPU. In gaming, I see the CPU as the hoop that the GPU has to jump through to reach its max performance, which is what you want becasue again, it is the deciding part in your ingame performance. Other games are more CPU intensive, but as a whole, you want to get a processor that will push all or most of your GPU, while at the same time, being cheap and being able to last long. You WANT to be able to use the same Mobo/CPU for years without having to upgrade anything but the GPU and maybe add more RAM (16gb could be the norm soon, I don't see DDR4 catching on until late 2016 at the least)
7 old years and that i7 920 is at least matching my 8350 in performance... the 8350 is only 3 years old. Even though it isn't a bad CPU, that is a horrible lifespan... It honestly bottlenecked in 2 years with the release of the 780ti, but even with my 290 it did in certain titles.
Saw a guy with an 8350 and 780ti OC'd go from 60-85fps to 80-135 in BF4... all by just switching to Intel.
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October 13, 2014 9:15:06 AM
Dawis67_AE said:
Installed update on Intel ME. That allowed me to run MSI Gaming APP and i put it on Gaming mode. Now i am getting 90min 100avg 130high FPS on BF3 Ultra Campaign.Along with that also GPU usage maxed out during gaming.
Very glad you figured it out! Pesky motherboard drivers are a pain, hopefully you and I both don't have to touch them for a while....
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October 13, 2014 9:38:22 AM
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Yeah, if you are still satisfied with it, I would wait for Broadwell in summer of 2015. That will hopefully be the first significantly faster cPU since Sandy Bridge.I WANT my GPU to be the bottleneck because that is the part that decides how fast your game can run in about 95% of video games. The game is rendered on your GPU. In gaming, I see the CPU as the hoop that the GPU has to jump through to reach its max performance, which is what you want becasue again, it is the deciding part in your ingame performance. Other games are more CPU intensive, but as a whole, you want to get a processor that will push all or most of your GPU, while at the same time, being cheap and being able to last long. You WANT to be able to use the same Mobo/CPU for years without having to upgrade anything but the GPU and maybe add more RAM (16gb could be the norm soon, I don't see DDR4 catching on until late 2016 at the least)
7 old years and that i7 920 is at least matching my 8350 in performance... the 8350 is only 3 years old. Even though it isn't a bad CPU, that is a horrible lifespan... It honestly bottlenecked in 2 years with the release of the 780ti, but even with my 290 it did in certain titles.
Saw a guy with an 8350 and 780ti OC'd go from 60-85fps to 80-135 in BF4... all by just switching to Intel.
I only object to the idea that XXX CPU will never bottleneck you. That is bull, unless you are using a very slow GPU not capable of getting over 50 FPS.
And I am glad I went with the i7 920, because it did allow me to go 7 years without an upgrade. While there are some games it is holding me back on, it hasn't been enough to upgrade to current CPU's. Though I'm getting close to upgrading, but then I've been wanting to buy a new whitewater kayak instead.
All CPU's bottleneck from time to time, but that doesn't mean it is a bad match. That's all I'm saying.
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October 14, 2014 11:31:02 PM
Ok guyz. Sorry to bother u again, but there is something weird going on again. This thing happens again and i dont know why. I was downloading BF4 and it finished. I quickly ran it and on all settings ultra i was getting 45 fps. Vsync is off. The same thing was happening yesterday. Apparently after using MSI afterburner and OCing on Crysis 3 i tried to run BF3 and i got 50 max. Then i restarted my PC and frames were good again.
WHAT IS GOING ON? My CPU temps are 52 at 100% load. If thats not weird enough i get 1.152V when 100% and 4.2ghz. Although when i open MSI gaming app and i click Gaming mode, the app shows 4,4ghz, but when i stresstest i still get 4,2ghz. IDK if its drivers or the hardware itself. If its hardware i dont have that much time to return and idk how to test it.
PS. My CPU arent at its max while gaming either. Its only 43 to 45 degrees. IDK why so low but on 100% load i get only 52 degrees.
WHAT IS GOING ON? My CPU temps are 52 at 100% load. If thats not weird enough i get 1.152V when 100% and 4.2ghz. Although when i open MSI gaming app and i click Gaming mode, the app shows 4,4ghz, but when i stresstest i still get 4,2ghz. IDK if its drivers or the hardware itself. If its hardware i dont have that much time to return and idk how to test it.
PS. My CPU arent at its max while gaming either. Its only 43 to 45 degrees. IDK why so low but on 100% load i get only 52 degrees.
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October 15, 2014 12:16:12 AM
I think your CPU isn't operating right for some reason. dunno what else would hold back the card. Those are very low voltages, and i think it is simply undervolted by your MOBO. Try my settings
Go into your BIOS, find the core multiplier andset it to 44, and have it sync to all 4 cores so they are all 44.
Next, set a manual voltage at 1.2volts. It will lock at 1.2v all the time, which isn't a bad thing, it will just idle 4C hotter or so. You can always change these back, just need to see if it will work for you. 1.152v i VERY low. You update BIOS you said? hmm... Set it manually, see if it still happens
I do not think it is the card. If it was the card it would NEVER run fast. right now you're telling us you got it fast, and now it is slow again. Hardware isn't selective, software is.
Go into your BIOS, find the core multiplier andset it to 44, and have it sync to all 4 cores so they are all 44.
Next, set a manual voltage at 1.2volts. It will lock at 1.2v all the time, which isn't a bad thing, it will just idle 4C hotter or so. You can always change these back, just need to see if it will work for you. 1.152v i VERY low. You update BIOS you said? hmm... Set it manually, see if it still happens
I do not think it is the card. If it was the card it would NEVER run fast. right now you're telling us you got it fast, and now it is slow again. Hardware isn't selective, software is.
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Dawis67_AE
October 15, 2014 12:22:18 AM
jkteddy77 said:
I think your CPU isn't operating right for some reason. dunno what else would hold back the card. Those are very low voltages, and i think it is simply undervolted by your MOBO. Try my settingsGo into your BIOS, find the core multiplier andset it to 44, and have it sync to all 4 cores so they are all 44.
Next, set a manual voltage at 1.2volts. It will lock at 1.2v all the time, which isn't a bad thing, it will just idle 4C hotter or so. You can always change these back, just need to see if it will work for you. 1.152v i VERY low. You update BIOS you said? hmm... Set it manually, see if it still happens
I do not think it is the card. If it was the card it would NEVER run fast. right now you're telling us you got it fast, and now it is slow again. Hardware isn't selective, software is.
No i mean i was playing Crysis 3 and i decided to OC. I did so and it was fine. Then i decided to test BF3 and i got again 50 max fps. I played with settings and then nothing worked i restarted the PC and FPS was back to normal. Then i put BF4 to download overnight and in the morning i ran it and it was getting only 45 max and it wasnt going higher as if it was Vsync on but in settings it was off.
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October 15, 2014 12:40:11 AM
Dawis67_AE said:
jkteddy77 said:
I think your CPU isn't operating right for some reason. dunno what else would hold back the card. Those are very low voltages, and i think it is simply undervolted by your MOBO. Try my settingsGo into your BIOS, find the core multiplier andset it to 44, and have it sync to all 4 cores so they are all 44.
Next, set a manual voltage at 1.2volts. It will lock at 1.2v all the time, which isn't a bad thing, it will just idle 4C hotter or so. You can always change these back, just need to see if it will work for you. 1.152v i VERY low. You update BIOS you said? hmm... Set it manually, see if it still happens
I do not think it is the card. If it was the card it would NEVER run fast. right now you're telling us you got it fast, and now it is slow again. Hardware isn't selective, software is.
No i mean i was playing Crysis 3 and i decided to OC. I did so and it was fine. Then i decided to test BF3 and i got again 50 max fps. I played with settings and then nothing worked i restarted the PC and FPS was back to normal. Then i put BF4 to download overnight and in the morning i ran it and it was getting only 45 max and it wasnt going higher as if it was Vsync on but in settings it was off.
Hmm... but when you restart your PC everything works fine again? what did you do initailly that you thought did it? The Intel ME? Play with it a little longer, see if you can scrape up anymore information. Stumps me
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October 15, 2014 12:46:13 AM
jkteddy77 said:
Dawis67_AE said:
jkteddy77 said:
I think your CPU isn't operating right for some reason. dunno what else would hold back the card. Those are very low voltages, and i think it is simply undervolted by your MOBO. Try my settingsGo into your BIOS, find the core multiplier andset it to 44, and have it sync to all 4 cores so they are all 44.
Next, set a manual voltage at 1.2volts. It will lock at 1.2v all the time, which isn't a bad thing, it will just idle 4C hotter or so. You can always change these back, just need to see if it will work for you. 1.152v i VERY low. You update BIOS you said? hmm... Set it manually, see if it still happens
I do not think it is the card. If it was the card it would NEVER run fast. right now you're telling us you got it fast, and now it is slow again. Hardware isn't selective, software is.
No i mean i was playing Crysis 3 and i decided to OC. I did so and it was fine. Then i decided to test BF3 and i got again 50 max fps. I played with settings and then nothing worked i restarted the PC and FPS was back to normal. Then i put BF4 to download overnight and in the morning i ran it and it was getting only 45 max and it wasnt going higher as if it was Vsync on but in settings it was off.
Hmm... but when you restart your PC everything works fine again? what did you do initailly that you thought did it? The Intel ME? Play with it a little longer, see if you can scrape up anymore information. Stumps me
Yes i installed the Intel ME. I am not even sure if it was the case. It did say to install Hotflix before Intel ME but i couldnt run hotflix installer because it said something with Windows update. Anyhow i installed Intel ME succesfully.
And yes. As i restarted the PC it was back fine again. Although i didnt do it today after installing BF4 because i didnt have time before my school buss. I will go home and see how it goes. I will try to monitor the CPU and GPU under these games and change the voltage.
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October 15, 2014 1:04:29 AM
jkteddy77
October 15, 2014 6:54:00 AM
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Then i was thinking maybe my GPU isnt connected correctly. I use only 1 cord that splits into 2 8 pins. I use 1 8pin and 1 6pin, but they come from single wire. Maybe i should 2 wires from PSU and use each wire to connect to each pin slot.this is very possible, try separate 6pin and 8 pin cable, see if the card is just being underpowered somehow?
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Dawis67_AE
October 15, 2014 7:18:59 AM
Its weird. I tried BF4 now and it didnt use all its power. Then i tried Crysis 3 and look http://prntscr.com/4weh3e You can see it used about 70-90% of its power. BTW the part when power went down is when i stopped game.
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Dawis67_AE
October 15, 2014 8:04:46 AM
I went into BIOS and clicked OC genie and it set Core Radio to 44 and voltage to 1.200 automatically. I loged on windows and ran BF4. Deathmatch was about stable 100fps and Campaign is min 80 and max 110fps. All the GPU usage is back to full and CPU usage is still roughly 50% (it spikes) but what i noticed is that Pagefile usage went down. When i was lagging i my Pagefile usage was 8700/8000MB and now it is 7100/8000. Maybe its RAM thats going it.
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jkteddy77
October 15, 2014 10:58:33 AM
Dawis67_AE said:
I went into BIOS and clicked OC genie and it set Core Radio to 44 and voltage to 1.200 automatically. I loged on windows and ran BF4. Deathmatch was about stable 100fps and Campaign is min 80 and max 110fps. All the GPU usage is back to full and CPU usage is still roughly 50% (it spikes) but what i noticed is that Pagefile usage went down. When i was lagging i my Pagefile usage was 8700/8000MB and now it is 7100/8000. Maybe its RAM thats going it. hmm, those are very nice framerates for all ultra I run about 70-110 in multiplayer and capmpaign, with normal deatmatch maps ranging from 70-100 on normal maps, and 90-100 on easy to run deathmatch maps
If the fps goes down again, then you know it isn't the Mobo. I would honestly leave the OC, your cooler can handle it.
If it does happen again, look into your RAM and your pagefile. Custom pagefiles can be a pain, but you would very well have overloaded ram for some reason.
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October 16, 2014 12:50:36 PM
jkteddy77
October 16, 2014 9:14:30 PM
Dawis67_AE said:
It happened again. I started PC, did something, then wanted to play games and again Pagefile overload. Then i restarted, went in bios to check the RAM voltages and speed and they were good so i went back and it worked. IDK why it keeps happening. You say your pagefile is maxing? like your actual RAM, or your virtual pagefile. Your pagefile is different than what your actual RAM is using ( i think you know this). Now, if your actual RAM is maxing, like in Windows Task Manager's graphs, that's a whole bigger issue.
If it is your pagefile, go into your pagefile settings (under Performance Options in the advanced tab, windows search it)
Check what it is set to, may just be that what windows set it up as is wrong.
Tell me what yours was set to.
Mine is system managed, and it is 8192, which is normal
If you for some reason don't have one set, check System managed size and see if that improves.
If you have more than one drive, uncheck the top box "Automatically manage paging file size for all drives", and select one drive from the list (preferably your boot drive), and use the System Managed Size, make sure other drives are set to None/No page file
That can cause issues if you have multiple drives. People run multiple pagefiles, but I find it only causes issues for me.
If it is still maxing, then look into a custom pagefile. I can help you from there.
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October 17, 2014 1:16:24 AM
jkteddy77 said:
Dawis67_AE said:
It happened again. I started PC, did something, then wanted to play games and again Pagefile overload. Then i restarted, went in bios to check the RAM voltages and speed and they were good so i went back and it worked. IDK why it keeps happening. You say your pagefile is maxing? like your actual RAM, or your virtual pagefile. Your pagefile is different than what your actual RAM is using ( i think you know this). Now, if your actual RAM is maxing, like in Windows Task Manager's graphs, that's a whole bigger issue.
If it is your pagefile, go into your pagefile settings (under Performance Options in the advanced tab, windows search it)
Check what it is set to, may just be that what windows set it up as is wrong.
Tell me what yours was set to.
Mine is system managed, and it is 8192, which is normal
If you for some reason don't have one set, check System managed size and see if that improves.
If you have more than one drive, uncheck the top box "Automatically manage paging file size for all drives", and select one drive from the list (preferably your boot drive), and use the System Managed Size, make sure other drives are set to None/No page file
That can cause issues if you have multiple drives. People run multiple pagefiles, but I find it only causes issues for me.
If it is still maxing, then look into a custom pagefile. I can help you from there.
Mine is also 8192 but it goes up to 8400. Also maybe the problem is that i use single RAM stick or maybe because my External drive was connected and i was downloading games from it.
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October 17, 2014 1:35:15 AM
Dawis67_AE said:
jkteddy77 said:
Dawis67_AE said:
It happened again. I started PC, did something, then wanted to play games and again Pagefile overload. Then i restarted, went in bios to check the RAM voltages and speed and they were good so i went back and it worked. IDK why it keeps happening. You say your pagefile is maxing? like your actual RAM, or your virtual pagefile. Your pagefile is different than what your actual RAM is using ( i think you know this). Now, if your actual RAM is maxing, like in Windows Task Manager's graphs, that's a whole bigger issue.
If it is your pagefile, go into your pagefile settings (under Performance Options in the advanced tab, windows search it)
Check what it is set to, may just be that what windows set it up as is wrong.
Tell me what yours was set to.
Mine is system managed, and it is 8192, which is normal
If you for some reason don't have one set, check System managed size and see if that improves.
If you have more than one drive, uncheck the top box "Automatically manage paging file size for all drives", and select one drive from the list (preferably your boot drive), and use the System Managed Size, make sure other drives are set to None/No page file
That can cause issues if you have multiple drives. People run multiple pagefiles, but I find it only causes issues for me.
If it is still maxing, then look into a custom pagefile. I can help you from there.
Mine is also 8192 but it goes up to 8400. Also maybe the problem is that i use single RAM stick or maybe because my External drive was connected and i was downloading games from it.
Hmm. I think for some reason having that external was messing with window's Automatic pagefile with multiple drives.
Single RAM stick shouldn't be the issue, that is fine, and shouldn't cause something like this I don't think.
Was it only being slow when you had the second drive downloading games? I be windows was allocating pagefile memory to your external drive while downloading games, but it also tried to pagefile your drive running the game as well.
Try unhooking your External drive, and run all games on the drive in your PC and see if it ever shows back up. if it seems to have gone away, there's a great chance that that is the issue. I would only game on the PC when that external HDD is unplugged. Might have to also restart your PC to force Windows to rethink its pagefile.
Best bet is turn off "automatically managae all drives", just pagefile your boot drive, and choose system managed on it. That way if you plug in the external drive, it won't mess with your pagefile.
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October 17, 2014 3:24:06 AM
jkteddy77 said:
Dawis67_AE said:
jkteddy77 said:
Dawis67_AE said:
It happened again. I started PC, did something, then wanted to play games and again Pagefile overload. Then i restarted, went in bios to check the RAM voltages and speed and they were good so i went back and it worked. IDK why it keeps happening. You say your pagefile is maxing? like your actual RAM, or your virtual pagefile. Your pagefile is different than what your actual RAM is using ( i think you know this). Now, if your actual RAM is maxing, like in Windows Task Manager's graphs, that's a whole bigger issue.
If it is your pagefile, go into your pagefile settings (under Performance Options in the advanced tab, windows search it)
Check what it is set to, may just be that what windows set it up as is wrong.
Tell me what yours was set to.
Mine is system managed, and it is 8192, which is normal
If you for some reason don't have one set, check System managed size and see if that improves.
If you have more than one drive, uncheck the top box "Automatically manage paging file size for all drives", and select one drive from the list (preferably your boot drive), and use the System Managed Size, make sure other drives are set to None/No page file
That can cause issues if you have multiple drives. People run multiple pagefiles, but I find it only causes issues for me.
If it is still maxing, then look into a custom pagefile. I can help you from there.
Mine is also 8192 but it goes up to 8400. Also maybe the problem is that i use single RAM stick or maybe because my External drive was connected and i was downloading games from it.
Hmm. I think for some reason having that external was messing with window's Automatic pagefile with multiple drives.
Single RAM stick shouldn't be the issue, that is fine, and shouldn't cause something like this I don't think.
Was it only being slow when you had the second drive downloading games? I be windows was allocating pagefile memory to your external drive while downloading games, but it also tried to pagefile your drive running the game as well.
Try unhooking your External drive, and run all games on the drive in your PC and see if it ever shows back up. if it seems to have gone away, there's a great chance that that is the issue. I would only game on the PC when that external HDD is unplugged. Might have to also restart your PC to force Windows to rethink its pagefile.
Best bet is turn off "automatically managae all drives", just pagefile your boot drive, and choose system managed on it. That way if you plug in the external drive, it won't mess with your pagefile.
To be honest IDK. I have external drive that i copy the games from to my storage drive. Maybe i have lots of Pagefile usage after installing something. Because i would make sense. I download games, then they dont work. Then i restart my PC and its better. Not really sure what to do bout it.
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October 17, 2014 11:12:02 AM
Dawis67_AE said:
jkteddy77 said:
Dawis67_AE said:
jkteddy77 said:
Dawis67_AE said:
It happened again. I started PC, did something, then wanted to play games and again Pagefile overload. Then i restarted, went in bios to check the RAM voltages and speed and they were good so i went back and it worked. IDK why it keeps happening. You say your pagefile is maxing? like your actual RAM, or your virtual pagefile. Your pagefile is different than what your actual RAM is using ( i think you know this). Now, if your actual RAM is maxing, like in Windows Task Manager's graphs, that's a whole bigger issue.
If it is your pagefile, go into your pagefile settings (under Performance Options in the advanced tab, windows search it)
Check what it is set to, may just be that what windows set it up as is wrong.
Tell me what yours was set to.
Mine is system managed, and it is 8192, which is normal
If you for some reason don't have one set, check System managed size and see if that improves.
If you have more than one drive, uncheck the top box "Automatically manage paging file size for all drives", and select one drive from the list (preferably your boot drive), and use the System Managed Size, make sure other drives are set to None/No page file
That can cause issues if you have multiple drives. People run multiple pagefiles, but I find it only causes issues for me.
If it is still maxing, then look into a custom pagefile. I can help you from there.
Mine is also 8192 but it goes up to 8400. Also maybe the problem is that i use single RAM stick or maybe because my External drive was connected and i was downloading games from it.
Hmm. I think for some reason having that external was messing with window's Automatic pagefile with multiple drives.
Single RAM stick shouldn't be the issue, that is fine, and shouldn't cause something like this I don't think.
Was it only being slow when you had the second drive downloading games? I be windows was allocating pagefile memory to your external drive while downloading games, but it also tried to pagefile your drive running the game as well.
Try unhooking your External drive, and run all games on the drive in your PC and see if it ever shows back up. if it seems to have gone away, there's a great chance that that is the issue. I would only game on the PC when that external HDD is unplugged. Might have to also restart your PC to force Windows to rethink its pagefile.
Best bet is turn off "automatically managae all drives", just pagefile your boot drive, and choose system managed on it. That way if you plug in the external drive, it won't mess with your pagefile.
To be honest IDK. I have external drive that i copy the games from to my storage drive. Maybe i have lots of Pagefile usage after installing something. Because i would make sense. I download games, then they dont work. Then i restart my PC and its better. Not really sure what to do bout it.
If you just force windows to pagefile your main drive, it should work. TBH, your external drive needs 0 pagefile, windows just does it anyways, and it is goofing everything up.
I bet once you manually let just your boot drive to system managed and stop windows from auto-page filing everything will be fine.
I only pagefile my boot drive, and I have an SSD and an HDD, and games installed on both run, even though only the boot drive is pagefiled. multiple pagefiles are usually a bad idea, especially with an external drive.
That or copy all your games over now, so you can just take the external drive out of the equation entirely
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October 17, 2014 11:42:20 AM
jkteddy77 said:
Dawis67_AE said:
jkteddy77 said:
Dawis67_AE said:
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Dawis67_AE said:
It happened again. I started PC, did something, then wanted to play games and again Pagefile overload. Then i restarted, went in bios to check the RAM voltages and speed and they were good so i went back and it worked. IDK why it keeps happening. You say your pagefile is maxing? like your actual RAM, or your virtual pagefile. Your pagefile is different than what your actual RAM is using ( i think you know this). Now, if your actual RAM is maxing, like in Windows Task Manager's graphs, that's a whole bigger issue.
If it is your pagefile, go into your pagefile settings (under Performance Options in the advanced tab, windows search it)
Check what it is set to, may just be that what windows set it up as is wrong.
Tell me what yours was set to.
Mine is system managed, and it is 8192, which is normal
If you for some reason don't have one set, check System managed size and see if that improves.
If you have more than one drive, uncheck the top box "Automatically manage paging file size for all drives", and select one drive from the list (preferably your boot drive), and use the System Managed Size, make sure other drives are set to None/No page file
That can cause issues if you have multiple drives. People run multiple pagefiles, but I find it only causes issues for me.
If it is still maxing, then look into a custom pagefile. I can help you from there.
Mine is also 8192 but it goes up to 8400. Also maybe the problem is that i use single RAM stick or maybe because my External drive was connected and i was downloading games from it.
Hmm. I think for some reason having that external was messing with window's Automatic pagefile with multiple drives.
Single RAM stick shouldn't be the issue, that is fine, and shouldn't cause something like this I don't think.
Was it only being slow when you had the second drive downloading games? I be windows was allocating pagefile memory to your external drive while downloading games, but it also tried to pagefile your drive running the game as well.
Try unhooking your External drive, and run all games on the drive in your PC and see if it ever shows back up. if it seems to have gone away, there's a great chance that that is the issue. I would only game on the PC when that external HDD is unplugged. Might have to also restart your PC to force Windows to rethink its pagefile.
Best bet is turn off "automatically managae all drives", just pagefile your boot drive, and choose system managed on it. That way if you plug in the external drive, it won't mess with your pagefile.
To be honest IDK. I have external drive that i copy the games from to my storage drive. Maybe i have lots of Pagefile usage after installing something. Because i would make sense. I download games, then they dont work. Then i restart my PC and its better. Not really sure what to do bout it.
If you just force windows to pagefile your main drive, it should work. TBH, your external drive needs 0 pagefile, windows just does it anyways, and it is goofing everything up.
I bet once you manually let just your boot drive to system managed and stop windows from auto-page filing everything will be fine.
I only pagefile my boot drive, and I have an SSD and an HDD, and games installed on both run, even though only the boot drive is pagefiled. multiple pagefiles are usually a bad idea, especially with an external drive.
That or copy all your games over now, so you can just take the external drive out of the equation entirely
What i did now is i removed my external(as i dont use it unless i need) and changed my Game HDD with recommended as minimum pagefile and double that as maximum. I cant change the boot drive since its controlled by system.
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