URGENT: 6350 & M5A97 R2.0 OC Question

apcs13

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URGENT:

Hello Everyone,

A while ago I decided to do a very mild overclock on my PC's CPU, from 3.9 GHz stock to 4.4 GHz. This increase didn't even warrant an increase of the CPU's voltage.

However, I wanted to do it better this time and to do a more dramatic overclock to gain more performance from my CPU so I can use it longer and better prepare my system for the upcoming more intense games, especially open world titles such as Grand Theft Auto V and Borderlands: The Pre Sequel (not a demanding game, I know, but for some reason BL2 gave me strange lag issues which I suspect was due to large draw distances taking a toll on my CPU. Even though I got consistent 60FPS in Skyrim with max render distance... who knows).

Anyways, I currently have the CM Hyper 212 Plus air cooler and a midrange motherboard, so I know that I cannot push the overclock too far. I aim to reach 4.6 GHz, which seems pretty reasonable to me since I know a few people who have reached the same clockspeed with the same cooling and on FX-8320 and 8350's, and in one case with an 8350 on an M5A97 LE R2.0, which is supposedly an even worse board for OC than mine, and he still got it stable at 4.6 GHz, so I think I should be fine. If you suspect otherwise however, please let me know so I don't blow something up.

The whole reason I am creating this thread is because I have a question about the Load Line Calibration (LLC) on my motherboard. On my 4.4 OC, I had both CPU LLC and CPU/NB LLC were enabled. In an interest of garnering lower temperatures and overall having lower voltage to get a cooler and longer lasting overclocked PC, I tested my stock overclock with both settings set to auto. However, almost immediately in my P95 test (remember, this OC was stable for over 7 months with the same exact settings minus LLC), one of my cores failed and I noticed in CPU-Z that my voltage was fluctuating all over the place, thankfully mostly way below the threshold I had set. I immediately reverted to enabling both LLCs and redid the test and it came back with no failed cores and stable, although the voltage had risen from my manually set 1.380 volts to 1.404 for most of the test.

I have used the guides http://www.overclock.net/t/1348623/amd-bulldozer-and-piledriver-overclocking-guide-asus-motherboard at this website, which seems to be pretty good (although I did have to do some research and went against a few things on here), and they have different settings for CPU LLC (they recommend high, I only have Disabled, Enabled, and Auto). They have a recommendation for my MoBo that if I have issues with LLC enabled, just leave the settings to auto, however I have no issues with enabled and the issues occur with Auto!

One thing I have not tried yet is leaving CPU LLC to Enabled and have just CPU/NB set to auto, should I try that? What should I do? Leave both enabled? Thanks for any help, I'm a bit nervous with all of this stuff.

 

apcs13

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For the future reference of anyone who ever has this problem in the future (probably slim to none as tech evolves but whatever) I found the best solution for the 6350 and Asus M5A97 R2.0 in MY EXPERIENCE of testing is to leave CPU LLC enabled, and then set the CPU/NB LLC to auto. This kept my CPU voltage at a constant 1.404 V while running P95 and all cores at max load, and my temperature would top off around 56C, usually staying between 54-55C on air cooling when my manual voltage was set at 1.380V and clockspeed to 4.6 GHz. If both are set to default enabled, my voltage would stay at around 1.416V, and my temperature would increase to 56-57C average with a max of 58C with the same base voltage and clockspeed values. With both set to auto or disabled outright, I would get scattered voltages and cores would start to fail quickly.

If a mod could close this thread if no one else has any input, that would be swell. Thanks.
 

noangel

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if u set it to "auto" this means, BIOS firmware will select it for u.
If u overclock, some settings on auto may be adjusted.
Usually auto sets it to safe values, but for voltage that values may not be enough to make it work stable.
If u want to try extreme overclock, u should not set it to auto and adjust settings manually for best results.
But in that case too high voltage may cause damage to your hardware, so it's at your own risk to set up it manually.
 

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I understand the implications of auto adjustment, I just wanted to know if it was better or worse than my other options. As you can see from my last post, I think I have it figured out now.

I did find another concern, however.

My motherboard only enables C1E and Cool n' Quiet options if I am adjusting voltages using the offset method, not the manual voltage selection method. However, I don't really understand the way that offset method works, and leaving the setting to auto for VCore and CPU/NB voltage made the Core voltage during load scenarios skyrocket to 1.464 / 1.472 V at 4.6 GHz when manually setting it to 1.380 (and actual voltage being 1.404 V) at the same clockspeed resulted in the same stability (UPDATE: just crashed in a p95 blend test).

I also want to know wether or not FSB OC is better than Multiplier, as some have said that using the FSB method results in better multithreaded performance on AMD chips, wihle others say that it is not true and FSB is just an outdated method that unlocked multiplier chips have made easier with their unlocked multipliers. thoughts?