motherboard bottleneck ?
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janikiraly2
October 13, 2014 11:53:20 AM
My system:
FX-6300 @ 4,6 Ghz
Saphhire R9 270
8 GB Kingmax 1333 Mhz
Seagate Barracude 1 TB 7200 rpm
SAGA II 550W power supply
aaand the ASUS M5A97 R2.0
im not getting the expected performance so far.. i mean i saw a guy on yt with the same cpu @ gpu in crysis 3 in very high getting 40-70 fps im barely getting 40 in high and its also not smooth. CS:GO has relatievly low fps with huge drops and laggy gameplay. however bf3 ran relatievly well.
-all drivers up to date
-freshest bios
-temps are good (cpu about 55° gpu 57-58° while gaming)
-hard drive and psu are working fine
all i can think about now that the old 970 chipset somehow holds me back from getting the performance i should be. what are your thoughts?
FX-6300 @ 4,6 Ghz
Saphhire R9 270
8 GB Kingmax 1333 Mhz
Seagate Barracude 1 TB 7200 rpm
SAGA II 550W power supply
aaand the ASUS M5A97 R2.0
im not getting the expected performance so far.. i mean i saw a guy on yt with the same cpu @ gpu in crysis 3 in very high getting 40-70 fps im barely getting 40 in high and its also not smooth. CS:GO has relatievly low fps with huge drops and laggy gameplay. however bf3 ran relatievly well.
-all drivers up to date
-freshest bios
-temps are good (cpu about 55° gpu 57-58° while gaming)
-hard drive and psu are working fine
all i can think about now that the old 970 chipset somehow holds me back from getting the performance i should be. what are your thoughts?
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the bottleneck is not the mobo its the psu .. the psu is not a certified psu and is not providing enough power to the card ,, i suggest you replace it with this
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/evga-bronze-power-supply/13...;jsessionid=38650EE3887603AE4B3A0ADDF52B584C.bbolsp-app01-129?id=mp1309112975&skuId=1309112975&st=evga power supply&cp=1&lp=2#tab=buyingOptions
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/evga-bronze-power-supply/13...;jsessionid=38650EE3887603AE4B3A0ADDF52B584C.bbolsp-app01-129?id=mp1309112975&skuId=1309112975&st=evga power supply&cp=1&lp=2#tab=buyingOptions
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janikiraly2
October 13, 2014 12:07:13 PM
janikiraly2 said:
well i dont think so but i have to think about that as a possibility...so how do i check whether my gpu gets enough powaaa?
well you can tell by the card underperforming with all other hardware just fine ,,the game is gpu reliant and not ram so the main source of the lag would be the gpu and if the gpu is supposed to be able to handle the game then its either power or its bad ,, in this
case the psu is bad so we see the problem straight off the bat
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janikiraly2
October 13, 2014 12:11:52 PM
janikiraly2
October 13, 2014 12:17:24 PM
jbrown156 said:
janikiraly2 said:
i had 4 gigs of 1600mhz before and it was the same in cs:go and obviously less fps in battlefield and crysis due to that they require more than 4 gigs.i doubt its the ram
as i said multiple times get the psu i recommended earlier ..problem solved
yes you could definetly be right.
i just wait a bit if someone has an other idea or some experience with this board
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janikiraly2
October 13, 2014 12:40:52 PM
janikiraly2 said:
jbrown156 said:
ok kool ..
how can i be sure that this is the case?
i would not be happy if i spent that money on a new psu and nothing would happen
you cant know until you know but its the only likely thing here seeing as though everything else is performing just normal
.. im telling you the card is stronger than its performing now so its either bad or not getting enough power ,, we acknowledge the power issue so i leaned toward the power issue
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janikiraly2
October 13, 2014 1:30:29 PM
janikiraly2
October 13, 2014 1:35:59 PM
janikiraly2
October 13, 2014 1:51:34 PM
janikiraly2 said:
so theres no way that my mobo is the problem?as is said before all signs point to the psu thats is old and low quality ... didnt say its not a motherboard issue even though i doubt it is ,, seeing as though everything function on it and the parts are just moving slow .. definitely a power issue
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janikiraly2
October 13, 2014 1:55:28 PM
jbrown156 said:
janikiraly2 said:
so theres no way that my mobo is the problem?as is said before all signs point to the psu thats is old and low quality ... didnt say its not a motherboard issue even though i doubt it is ,, seeing as though everything function on it and the parts are just moving slow .. definitely a power issue
thanks, aprriciate it
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janikiraly2
October 13, 2014 2:11:53 PM
Markkk
October 13, 2014 2:16:49 PM
My Years of Experience with Motherboards
The Cheap Nasty Motherboards Vrs Mid Range MB Vrs Top Line Motherboards as follows
Budget MB -10% Performance
Mid Range MB - Standard
High End MB + 6% Performance
These stats do vary, but this is a typical reference that I have personally experienced
Chip sets do matter, Quality does matter, Bang for Buck is your choice
For just 30% more cost on a MB = 10% performance
When it costing another 220%+ costs for top Motherboards is it value for money?
Budget Boards - Lack USB ports, limited Ram slots and sata ports / i/o ports
Mid Range - Good Starting point as they cover a good range of support and options Sli, Raid, 7.1+ sound etc
Top Range - have all the bells and whistles and things average users will never use
Not getting into a Debate on what MB or chip set is better this is just a quick general Reference - that to do indeed get what you pay for when it comes to motherboards and almost every related computer part.
The Cheap Nasty Motherboards Vrs Mid Range MB Vrs Top Line Motherboards as follows
Budget MB -10% Performance
Mid Range MB - Standard
High End MB + 6% Performance
These stats do vary, but this is a typical reference that I have personally experienced
Chip sets do matter, Quality does matter, Bang for Buck is your choice
For just 30% more cost on a MB = 10% performance
When it costing another 220%+ costs for top Motherboards is it value for money?
Budget Boards - Lack USB ports, limited Ram slots and sata ports / i/o ports
Mid Range - Good Starting point as they cover a good range of support and options Sli, Raid, 7.1+ sound etc
Top Range - have all the bells and whistles and things average users will never use
Not getting into a Debate on what MB or chip set is better this is just a quick general Reference - that to do indeed get what you pay for when it comes to motherboards and almost every related computer part.
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janikiraly2
October 13, 2014 2:52:04 PM
Markkk said:
My Years of Experience with MotherboardsThe Cheap Nasty Motherboards Vrs Mid Range MB Vrs Top Line Motherboards as follows
Budget MB -10% Performance
Mid Range MB - Standard
High End MB + 6% Performance
These stats do vary, but this is a typical reference that I have personally experienced
Chip sets do matter, Quality does matter, Bang for Buck is your choice
For just 30% more cost on a MB = 10% performance
When it costing another 220%+ costs for top Motherboards is it value for money?
Budget Boards - Lack USB ports, limited Ram slots and sata ports / i/o ports
Mid Range - Good Starting point as they cover a good range of support and options Sli, Raid, 7.1+ sound etc
Top Range - have all the bells and whistles and things average users will never use
Not getting into a Debate on what MB or chip set is better this is just a quick general Reference - that to do indeed get what you pay for when it comes to motherboards and almost every related computer part.
nice summary
do you think its possible that the fx processors doesnt work perfectly with the 970 chipset?
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Markkk
October 13, 2014 3:06:59 PM
As a Rule if it designed for the processor it should work with out issues - sometimes manufactures release bios updates to extend CPU support
Reviews on your Mother board Rate very well (quick google search)
You have a excellent Mid range+ MB I would say a top end MB would only give maybe 3-5% better performance
Ram Speed/Size is irrelevant for FPS - measurable speed may attribute 1-3 FPS at best.
As already Noted if you Video card is not getting enough Power it will down clock and run at slow speeds
The R9 Series GFX Cards Require a LOT of POWER.
Reviews on your Mother board Rate very well (quick google search)
You have a excellent Mid range+ MB I would say a top end MB would only give maybe 3-5% better performance
Ram Speed/Size is irrelevant for FPS - measurable speed may attribute 1-3 FPS at best.
As already Noted if you Video card is not getting enough Power it will down clock and run at slow speeds
The R9 Series GFX Cards Require a LOT of POWER.
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janikiraly2
October 13, 2014 3:44:37 PM
Markkk said:
As a Rule if it designed for the processor it should work with out issues - sometimes manufactures release bios updates to extend CPU supportReviews on your Mother board Rate very well (quick google search)
You have a excellent Mid range+ MB I would say a top end MB would only give maybe 3-5% better performance
Ram Speed/Size is irrelevant for FPS - measurable speed may attribute 1-3 FPS at best.
As already Noted if you Video card is not getting enough Power it will down clock and run at slow speeds
The R9 Series GFX Cards Require a LOT of POWER.
thank you really useful
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janikiraly2
October 13, 2014 4:12:44 PM
Markkk
October 13, 2014 4:47:08 PM
Power consumption Radeon R9-270
System in IDLE = 121W
System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 254W
Difference (GPU load) = 133W
Add average IDLE wattage ~10W
Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 143 Watts
The R9-290X is almost double this power usage
All higher end GFX card Need a Stable High end PSU
Your Card is on the Mid range End of Power Requirements in theory a 550w PSU should cope
But since its Not a Bronze Certified PSU it does question the true actual consistency of power output for a Mid high end GFX Card and system
The FX-6300 is 102w idle and 227w stressed
CPU 227W
GFX 254W
MB/Ram/HDD/CDrom/Cooling etc...34W+
Meaning your Using over 500 Watts at peak so this budget non certified PSU is not providing consistent power requirements for your needs
Refer
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-radeon-r9-270-...
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1729936/amd-6300...
http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine
System in IDLE = 121W
System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 254W
Difference (GPU load) = 133W
Add average IDLE wattage ~10W
Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 143 Watts
The R9-290X is almost double this power usage
All higher end GFX card Need a Stable High end PSU
Your Card is on the Mid range End of Power Requirements in theory a 550w PSU should cope
But since its Not a Bronze Certified PSU it does question the true actual consistency of power output for a Mid high end GFX Card and system
The FX-6300 is 102w idle and 227w stressed
CPU 227W
GFX 254W
MB/Ram/HDD/CDrom/Cooling etc...34W+
Meaning your Using over 500 Watts at peak so this budget non certified PSU is not providing consistent power requirements for your needs
Refer
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-radeon-r9-270-...
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1729936/amd-6300...
http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine
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janikiraly2
October 14, 2014 5:27:14 AM
Markkk said:
Power consumption Radeon R9-270System in IDLE = 121W
System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 254W
Difference (GPU load) = 133W
Add average IDLE wattage ~10W
Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 143 Watts
The R9-290X is almost double this power usage
All higher end GFX card Need a Stable High end PSU
Your Card is on the Mid range End of Power Requirements in theory a 550w PSU should cope
But since its Not a Bronze Certified PSU it does question the true actual consistency of power output for a Mid high end GFX Card and system
The FX-6300 is 102w idle and 227w stressed
CPU 227W
GFX 254W
MB/Ram/HDD/CDrom/Cooling etc...34W+
Meaning your Using over 500 Watts at peak so this budget non certified PSU is not providing consistent power requirements for your needs
Refer
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-radeon-r9-270-...
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1729936/amd-6300...
http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine
so isnt it supposed to cause bsod, freezes, artifacts instead of lower performance in some games?
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Markkk
October 14, 2014 2:24:49 PM
Can do on some older cards
I will assume you have connected the Extra power to your motherboard Beside the main 24 pin cable there should be a 4/8 power also connected... http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-perform-ste...
Most new GFX Cards if you don't connect the Extra Power required will run in power saving mode meaning you get low fps
If your GFX card does not get the expected power from the extra plugs it automatically drops into power saving mode.
Also I assume your overclocking you CPU as it running higher at 4.6ghz and not the standard 3.5/4.1 turbo so you will be using extra power to achieve this and likely have a cooling system drawing extra power to cool it
BSOD, Freezes and Artifacts are typical when the GPU starts to fault by becoming unstable usually by either by overheating or incorrect clock frequency, usually caused by Overclocking.
Driver Issues can also cause these issues
Driver Settings & Game settings and Detail Setting will also effect FPS greatly
Some options Like Shadow Detail can greatly effect FPS
Tripple Buffering will smooth out jerky Frames
Vsync will stop screen tearing (usually)
etc
lots of options to play with and some games implement these extra details poorly in coding so what works well on 1 GFX card will work Rubbish on another
Hence why for Expample NVidia have introduced 'Geforce Experience' to address this issue for people that are not tech savvy with there GFX Card settings
and Now... http://community.amd.com/community/amd-blogs/amd-gaming...
Try this out see if it helps... If it does not well Scroll up to the First post and read it again.
I will assume you have connected the Extra power to your motherboard Beside the main 24 pin cable there should be a 4/8 power also connected... http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-perform-ste...
Most new GFX Cards if you don't connect the Extra Power required will run in power saving mode meaning you get low fps
If your GFX card does not get the expected power from the extra plugs it automatically drops into power saving mode.
Also I assume your overclocking you CPU as it running higher at 4.6ghz and not the standard 3.5/4.1 turbo so you will be using extra power to achieve this and likely have a cooling system drawing extra power to cool it
BSOD, Freezes and Artifacts are typical when the GPU starts to fault by becoming unstable usually by either by overheating or incorrect clock frequency, usually caused by Overclocking.
Driver Issues can also cause these issues
Driver Settings & Game settings and Detail Setting will also effect FPS greatly
Some options Like Shadow Detail can greatly effect FPS
Tripple Buffering will smooth out jerky Frames
Vsync will stop screen tearing (usually)
etc
lots of options to play with and some games implement these extra details poorly in coding so what works well on 1 GFX card will work Rubbish on another
Hence why for Expample NVidia have introduced 'Geforce Experience' to address this issue for people that are not tech savvy with there GFX Card settings
and Now... http://community.amd.com/community/amd-blogs/amd-gaming...
Try this out see if it helps... If it does not well Scroll up to the First post and read it again.
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janikiraly2
October 15, 2014 7:32:45 AM
Markkk said:
Can do on some older cardsI will assume you have connected the Extra power to your motherboard Beside the main 24 pin cable there should be a 4/8 power also connected... http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-perform-ste...
Most new GFX Cards if you don't connect the Extra Power required will run in power saving mode meaning you get low fps
If your GFX card does not get the expected power from the extra plugs it automatically drops into power saving mode.
Also I assume your overclocking you CPU as it running higher at 4.6ghz and not the standard 3.5/4.1 turbo so you will be using extra power to achieve this and likely have a cooling system drawing extra power to cool it
BSOD, Freezes and Artifacts are typical when the GPU starts to fault by becoming unstable usually by either by overheating or incorrect clock frequency, usually caused by Overclocking.
Driver Issues can also cause these issues
Driver Settings & Game settings and Detail Setting will also effect FPS greatly
Some options Like Shadow Detail can greatly effect FPS
Tripple Buffering will smooth out jerky Frames
Vsync will stop screen tearing (usually)
etc
lots of options to play with and some games implement these extra details poorly in coding so what works well on 1 GFX card will work Rubbish on another
Hence why for Expample NVidia have introduced 'Geforce Experience' to address this issue for people that are not tech savvy with there GFX Card settings
and Now... http://community.amd.com/community/amd-blogs/amd-gaming...
Try this out see if it helps... If it does not well Scroll up to the First post and read it again.
wow i accidently clicked on the solution thing lol
but anyways yes i know i have to plug the motherboard pin and if i lower the video settings in a game i have more fps... but thanks.
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janikiraly2
October 15, 2014 7:38:18 AM
jbrown156 said:
so arent you going to unselect it and select the correct answer then ?how? >.<
btw i choose this psu because the one you linked isnt available here in my country:
http://www.fsplifestyle.com/product.php?LID=1&PSN=380#
do you think this will do the job?
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janikiraly2 said:
jbrown156 said:
so arent you going to unselect it and select the correct answer then ?how? >.<
btw i choose this psu because the one you linked isnt available here in my country:
http://www.fsplifestyle.com/product.php?LID=1&PSN=380#
do you think this will do the job?
i cant see the link please post the name of the psu and the wattage and i will let you know.. and just simply click the unselect button under the name post that has the big green thing around it and then click the solution that helped you out the most
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janikiraly2
October 15, 2014 7:43:13 AM
jbrown156 said:
janikiraly2 said:
jbrown156 said:
so arent you going to unselect it and select the correct answer then ?how? >.<
btw i choose this psu because the one you linked isnt available here in my country:
http://www.fsplifestyle.com/product.php?LID=1&PSN=380#
do you think this will do the job?
i cant see the link please post the name of the psu and the wattage and i will let you know.. and just simply click the unselect button under the name post that has the big green thing around it and then click the solution that helped you out the most
FPS RAIDER 550W its silver 80+
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that psu is in tier 4 on the toms psu tier list and is not recommended..
view here http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1804779/power-supp...
look at tier 4 and you see that psu is not gonna be sufficien .. tier 3 or better is advised like the evga i recommended .. its best you buy the psu i recommended earlier in the post from ebay or amazon and have it delivered to you in your country
view here http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1804779/power-supp...
look at tier 4 and you see that psu is not gonna be sufficien .. tier 3 or better is advised like the evga i recommended .. its best you buy the psu i recommended earlier in the post from ebay or amazon and have it delivered to you in your country
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Markkk
October 15, 2014 2:19:41 PM
janikiraly2
October 17, 2014 12:38:51 PM
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October 17, 2014 12:45:30 PM
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October 17, 2014 1:22:52 PM
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