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October 13, 2014 11:53:20 AM

My system:
FX-6300 @ 4,6 Ghz
Saphhire R9 270
8 GB Kingmax 1333 Mhz
Seagate Barracude 1 TB 7200 rpm
SAGA II 550W power supply

aaand the ASUS M5A97 R2.0

im not getting the expected performance so far.. i mean i saw a guy on yt with the same cpu @ gpu in crysis 3 in very high getting 40-70 fps im barely getting 40 in high and its also not smooth. CS:GO has relatievly low fps with huge drops and laggy gameplay. however bf3 ran relatievly well.

-all drivers up to date
-freshest bios
-temps are good (cpu about 55° gpu 57-58° while gaming)
-hard drive and psu are working fine

all i can think about now that the old 970 chipset somehow holds me back from getting the performance i should be. what are your thoughts?

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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2014 11:56:28 AM

the bottleneck is not the mobo its the psu .. the psu is not a certified psu and is not providing enough power to the card ,, i suggest you replace it with this

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/evga-bronze-power-supply/13...;jsessionid=38650EE3887603AE4B3A0ADDF52B584C.bbolsp-app01-129?id=mp1309112975&skuId=1309112975&st=evga power supply&cp=1&lp=2#tab=buyingOptions
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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2014 12:05:48 PM

my thought is your slow RAM is not going to give you optimal performance, especially if you're getting what you describe as spikes and lack of smooth gameplay. It's most likely not an issue related to your graphics card.
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October 13, 2014 12:07:13 PM

well i dont think so but i have to think about that as a possibility...
so how do i check whether my gpu gets enough powaaa?
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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2014 12:09:14 PM

mr entomber i have the same speed ram from kingston and they play crysis on high without issue besides 1333 and 1600mhz have simmilar performance and the difference is not really noticeable ,, the psu is the best bet in the problem here as it is weak
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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2014 12:11:29 PM

janikiraly2 said:
well i dont think so but i have to think about that as a possibility...
so how do i check whether my gpu gets enough powaaa?


well you can tell by the card underperforming with all other hardware just fine ,,the game is gpu reliant and not ram so the main source of the lag would be the gpu and if the gpu is supposed to be able to handle the game then its either power or its bad ,, in this
case the psu is bad so we see the problem straight off the bat
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October 13, 2014 12:11:52 PM

i had 4 gigs of 1600mhz before and it was the same in cs:go and obviously less fps in battlefield and crysis due to that they require more than 4 gigs.
i doubt its the ram
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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2014 12:15:24 PM

janikiraly2 said:
i had 4 gigs of 1600mhz before and it was the same in cs:go and obviously less fps in battlefield and crysis due to that they require more than 4 gigs.
i doubt its the ram


as i said multiple times get the psu i recommended earlier ..problem solved
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October 13, 2014 12:17:24 PM

jbrown156 said:
janikiraly2 said:
i had 4 gigs of 1600mhz before and it was the same in cs:go and obviously less fps in battlefield and crysis due to that they require more than 4 gigs.
i doubt its the ram


as i said multiple times get the psu i recommended earlier ..problem solved


yes you could definetly be right.
i just wait a bit if someone has an other idea or some experience with this board
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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2014 12:18:52 PM

ok kool .. :??: 
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October 13, 2014 12:40:52 PM

jbrown156 said:
ok kool .. :??: 


how can i be sure that this is the case?
i would not be happy if i spent that money on a new psu and nothing would happen
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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2014 12:44:09 PM

janikiraly2 said:
jbrown156 said:
ok kool .. :??: 


how can i be sure that this is the case?
i would not be happy if i spent that money on a new psu and nothing would happen


you cant know until you know but its the only likely thing here seeing as though everything else is performing just normal
.. im telling you the card is stronger than its performing now so its either bad or not getting enough power ,, we acknowledge the power issue so i leaned toward the power issue
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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2014 1:23:27 PM

I concur that it's possible that it's your PSU. Even if getting a reliable PSU doesn't immediately solve your FPS issues you should never cheap out on your PSU.
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October 13, 2014 1:30:29 PM

i dont cheap out on psu i bought this one like 5 years ago when i had my e7500 and 9600gt :D 
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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2014 1:32:26 PM

janikiraly2 said:
i dont cheap out on psu i bought this one like 5 years ago when i had my e7500 and 9600gt :D 


well its about time you upgrade that 5 year old psu to something newer
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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2014 1:32:45 PM

just because you bought it 5 years ago doesn't mean it's not a low-quality PSU.

If it's low-quality AND 5 years old, that's even more reason to toss it and get a decent PSU.
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October 13, 2014 1:35:59 PM

and the cables... so many cables with this one
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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2014 1:36:57 PM

janikiraly2 said:
and the cables... so many cables with this one


the cables are hardly any problem once you come around to them
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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2014 1:41:32 PM

the amount of cables included is no indicator of quality.
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October 13, 2014 1:51:34 PM

so theres no way that my mobo is the problem?
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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2014 1:53:39 PM

janikiraly2 said:
so theres no way that my mobo is the problem?


as is said before all signs point to the psu thats is old and low quality ... didnt say its not a motherboard issue even though i doubt it is ,, seeing as though everything function on it and the parts are just moving slow .. definitely a power issue
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October 13, 2014 1:55:28 PM

jbrown156 said:
janikiraly2 said:
so theres no way that my mobo is the problem?


as is said before all signs point to the psu thats is old and low quality ... didnt say its not a motherboard issue even though i doubt it is ,, seeing as though everything function on it and the parts are just moving slow .. definitely a power issue


thanks, aprriciate it

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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2014 1:56:35 PM

kool no prob remember to select the solution so that others with the problem can be helped
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October 13, 2014 2:11:53 PM

jbrown156 said:
kool no prob remember to select the solution so that others with the problem can be helped


im gonna a get a new good 990x board and see whats gonna happen:) 

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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2014 2:15:46 PM

janikiraly2 said:
jbrown156 said:
kool no prob remember to select the solution so that others with the problem can be helped


im gonna a get a new good 990x board and see whats gonna happen:) 



ok kool
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October 13, 2014 2:16:49 PM

My Years of Experience with Motherboards
The Cheap Nasty Motherboards Vrs Mid Range MB Vrs Top Line Motherboards as follows

Budget MB -10% Performance
Mid Range MB - Standard
High End MB + 6% Performance

These stats do vary, but this is a typical reference that I have personally experienced
Chip sets do matter, Quality does matter, Bang for Buck is your choice

For just 30% more cost on a MB = 10% performance
When it costing another 220%+ costs for top Motherboards is it value for money?

Budget Boards - Lack USB ports, limited Ram slots and sata ports / i/o ports
Mid Range - Good Starting point as they cover a good range of support and options Sli, Raid, 7.1+ sound etc
Top Range - have all the bells and whistles and things average users will never use

Not getting into a Debate on what MB or chip set is better this is just a quick general Reference - that to do indeed get what you pay for when it comes to motherboards and almost every related computer part.
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October 13, 2014 2:52:04 PM

Markkk said:
My Years of Experience with Motherboards
The Cheap Nasty Motherboards Vrs Mid Range MB Vrs Top Line Motherboards as follows

Budget MB -10% Performance
Mid Range MB - Standard
High End MB + 6% Performance

These stats do vary, but this is a typical reference that I have personally experienced
Chip sets do matter, Quality does matter, Bang for Buck is your choice

For just 30% more cost on a MB = 10% performance
When it costing another 220%+ costs for top Motherboards is it value for money?

Budget Boards - Lack USB ports, limited Ram slots and sata ports / i/o ports
Mid Range - Good Starting point as they cover a good range of support and options Sli, Raid, 7.1+ sound etc
Top Range - have all the bells and whistles and things average users will never use

Not getting into a Debate on what MB or chip set is better this is just a quick general Reference - that to do indeed get what you pay for when it comes to motherboards and almost every related computer part.


nice summary :) 
do you think its possible that the fx processors doesnt work perfectly with the 970 chipset?
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October 13, 2014 3:06:59 PM

As a Rule if it designed for the processor it should work with out issues - sometimes manufactures release bios updates to extend CPU support

Reviews on your Mother board Rate very well (quick google search)
You have a excellent Mid range+ MB I would say a top end MB would only give maybe 3-5% better performance

Ram Speed/Size is irrelevant for FPS - measurable speed may attribute 1-3 FPS at best.

As already Noted if you Video card is not getting enough Power it will down clock and run at slow speeds
The R9 Series GFX Cards Require a LOT of POWER.
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October 13, 2014 3:44:37 PM

Markkk said:
As a Rule if it designed for the processor it should work with out issues - sometimes manufactures release bios updates to extend CPU support

Reviews on your Mother board Rate very well (quick google search)
You have a excellent Mid range+ MB I would say a top end MB would only give maybe 3-5% better performance

Ram Speed/Size is irrelevant for FPS - measurable speed may attribute 1-3 FPS at best.

As already Noted if you Video card is not getting enough Power it will down clock and run at slow speeds
The R9 Series GFX Cards Require a LOT of POWER.


thank you really useful :) 
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October 13, 2014 4:12:44 PM

my gpu usage is pretty much 99% constant while playing bf3. good frames tho. like 45-60 on ultra (single player). i dont really think its not getting enough power.
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October 13, 2014 4:47:08 PM

Power consumption Radeon R9-270

System in IDLE = 121W
System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 254W
Difference (GPU load) = 133W
Add average IDLE wattage ~10W
Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 143 Watts

The R9-290X is almost double this power usage

All higher end GFX card Need a Stable High end PSU
Your Card is on the Mid range End of Power Requirements in theory a 550w PSU should cope

But since its Not a Bronze Certified PSU it does question the true actual consistency of power output for a Mid high end GFX Card and system

The FX-6300 is 102w idle and 227w stressed

CPU 227W
GFX 254W
MB/Ram/HDD/CDrom/Cooling etc...34W+

Meaning your Using over 500 Watts at peak so this budget non certified PSU is not providing consistent power requirements for your needs

Refer
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-radeon-r9-270-...
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1729936/amd-6300...
http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine
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October 14, 2014 5:27:14 AM

Markkk said:
Power consumption Radeon R9-270

System in IDLE = 121W
System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 254W
Difference (GPU load) = 133W
Add average IDLE wattage ~10W
Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 143 Watts

The R9-290X is almost double this power usage

All higher end GFX card Need a Stable High end PSU
Your Card is on the Mid range End of Power Requirements in theory a 550w PSU should cope

But since its Not a Bronze Certified PSU it does question the true actual consistency of power output for a Mid high end GFX Card and system

The FX-6300 is 102w idle and 227w stressed

CPU 227W
GFX 254W
MB/Ram/HDD/CDrom/Cooling etc...34W+

Meaning your Using over 500 Watts at peak so this budget non certified PSU is not providing consistent power requirements for your needs

Refer
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-radeon-r9-270-...
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1729936/amd-6300...
http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine


so isnt it supposed to cause bsod, freezes, artifacts instead of lower performance in some games?
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October 14, 2014 2:24:49 PM

Can do on some older cards

I will assume you have connected the Extra power to your motherboard Beside the main 24 pin cable there should be a 4/8 power also connected... http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-perform-ste...


Most new GFX Cards if you don't connect the Extra Power required will run in power saving mode meaning you get low fps

If your GFX card does not get the expected power from the extra plugs it automatically drops into power saving mode.

Also I assume your overclocking you CPU as it running higher at 4.6ghz and not the standard 3.5/4.1 turbo so you will be using extra power to achieve this and likely have a cooling system drawing extra power to cool it

BSOD, Freezes and Artifacts are typical when the GPU starts to fault by becoming unstable usually by either by overheating or incorrect clock frequency, usually caused by Overclocking.
Driver Issues can also cause these issues

Driver Settings & Game settings and Detail Setting will also effect FPS greatly

Some options Like Shadow Detail can greatly effect FPS
Tripple Buffering will smooth out jerky Frames
Vsync will stop screen tearing (usually)
etc
lots of options to play with and some games implement these extra details poorly in coding so what works well on 1 GFX card will work Rubbish on another

Hence why for Expample NVidia have introduced 'Geforce Experience' to address this issue for people that are not tech savvy with there GFX Card settings

and Now... http://community.amd.com/community/amd-blogs/amd-gaming...

Try this out see if it helps... If it does not well Scroll up to the First post and read it again.
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October 15, 2014 7:32:45 AM

Markkk said:
Can do on some older cards

I will assume you have connected the Extra power to your motherboard Beside the main 24 pin cable there should be a 4/8 power also connected... http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-perform-ste...


Most new GFX Cards if you don't connect the Extra Power required will run in power saving mode meaning you get low fps

If your GFX card does not get the expected power from the extra plugs it automatically drops into power saving mode.

Also I assume your overclocking you CPU as it running higher at 4.6ghz and not the standard 3.5/4.1 turbo so you will be using extra power to achieve this and likely have a cooling system drawing extra power to cool it

BSOD, Freezes and Artifacts are typical when the GPU starts to fault by becoming unstable usually by either by overheating or incorrect clock frequency, usually caused by Overclocking.
Driver Issues can also cause these issues

Driver Settings & Game settings and Detail Setting will also effect FPS greatly

Some options Like Shadow Detail can greatly effect FPS
Tripple Buffering will smooth out jerky Frames
Vsync will stop screen tearing (usually)
etc
lots of options to play with and some games implement these extra details poorly in coding so what works well on 1 GFX card will work Rubbish on another

Hence why for Expample NVidia have introduced 'Geforce Experience' to address this issue for people that are not tech savvy with there GFX Card settings

and Now... http://community.amd.com/community/amd-blogs/amd-gaming...

Try this out see if it helps... If it does not well Scroll up to the First post and read it again.


wow i accidently clicked on the solution thing lol
but anyways yes i know i have to plug the motherboard pin and if i lower the video settings in a game i have more fps... but thanks.
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a b V Motherboard
October 15, 2014 7:34:51 AM

so arent you going to unselect it and select the correct answer then ?
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October 15, 2014 7:38:18 AM

jbrown156 said:
so arent you going to unselect it and select the correct answer then ?


how? >.<
btw i choose this psu because the one you linked isnt available here in my country:
http://www.fsplifestyle.com/product.php?LID=1&PSN=380#
do you think this will do the job?
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a b V Motherboard
October 15, 2014 7:41:06 AM

janikiraly2 said:
jbrown156 said:
so arent you going to unselect it and select the correct answer then ?


how? >.<
btw i choose this psu because the one you linked isnt available here in my country:
http://www.fsplifestyle.com/product.php?LID=1&PSN=380#
do you think this will do the job?


i cant see the link please post the name of the psu and the wattage and i will let you know.. and just simply click the unselect button under the name post that has the big green thing around it and then click the solution that helped you out the most
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October 15, 2014 7:43:13 AM

jbrown156 said:
janikiraly2 said:
jbrown156 said:
so arent you going to unselect it and select the correct answer then ?


how? >.<
btw i choose this psu because the one you linked isnt available here in my country:
http://www.fsplifestyle.com/product.php?LID=1&PSN=380#
do you think this will do the job?


i cant see the link please post the name of the psu and the wattage and i will let you know.. and just simply click the unselect button under the name post that has the big green thing around it and then click the solution that helped you out the most


FPS RAIDER 550W its silver 80+
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a b V Motherboard
October 15, 2014 7:50:42 AM

that psu is in tier 4 on the toms psu tier list and is not recommended..

view here http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1804779/power-supp...

look at tier 4 and you see that psu is not gonna be sufficien .. tier 3 or better is advised like the evga i recommended .. its best you buy the psu i recommended earlier in the post from ebay or amazon and have it delivered to you in your country
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October 15, 2014 2:19:41 PM

Unselected myself as the Solution... at some stage pick the person that has provided the best help or closest solution when you feel your questions have being answered to your satisfaction ;) 
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October 17, 2014 12:38:51 PM

gonna get an asus m5a99x in tuesday or wednesday :) 
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a b V Motherboard
October 17, 2014 12:44:31 PM

janikiraly2 said:
gonna get an asus m5a99x in tuesday or wednesday :) 


ok kool it seems like a decent enough its good.. just remeber the psu that you get must be certified and on the tier list at tier 3 and above .. btw remember to select the solution to the question so others can be helped
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October 17, 2014 12:45:30 PM

Nice - now just get 3x more gfx cards and Quad SLI them. Then you should have No FPS issues for a while........
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October 17, 2014 1:18:54 PM

Markkk said:
Nice - now just get 3x more gfx cards and Quad SLI them. Then you should have No FPS issues for a while........


:D DDD yes that would be nice
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October 17, 2014 1:22:52 PM

also gonna get a new psu sooner or later
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