Black Screen - GTX 650 TI

Devinv50 · Oct 14, 2014

I am unable to get the EVGA GTX 650 TI to display anything with either a VGA adapter or the Mini HDMI to HDMI connection. The computer sounds like it is booting up normally (whirming and beeping) but nothing is displaying.

**NEW MOBO AS OF 12/30/14: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 [LINK HERE]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JEJZ1MA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
? [ PSU ] (725 Watt)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130930&cm_re=gtx_650_ti-_-14-130-930-_-Product
? [ Graphics Card in Question ]

I am unsure as to whether the issue is with compatibilities of the card with the motherboard, but from what I have read it seems that the PCI-E ver. 3.0 is backwards compatible as far as ver. 1. The PCI-E 6pin cable is plugged in to the card properly. I have cleared the CMOS using the method listed in the MOBO link (above) which required just moving the plastic cap forward off the pins for a moment.

Possibly unrelated notes:
- My CD Tray will open when I press the eject button but automatically retreats after opening.
- My Previous working graphics card was a Geforce 8400 GS (worked)

Please let me know if there is anything I can do to fix this. ]]]:

Thank you,

Devinv50 · Oct 20, 2014

Answer:

For anyone who actually read my post (which it doesn’t seem anyone did) I managed to fix the issue without realizing it. What appeared to fix the problem was clearing the bios and then installing the graphics card. I became frustrated and so I failed to install the graphics card after clearing the bios but instead I tried to use the MOBO VGA for display (which did not work). For whatever reason, simply putting in the graphics card did not work, so below are the steps I took to resolve the issue:

1. Take out the graphics card that’s not working (typically the new one)
2. Connect the monitor to motherboard VGA
3. Turn on computer
4. Turn off computer after 60 seconds
5. Clear CMOS (see above) [VERY IMPORTANT]
6. Turn on computer
7. Turn off computer after 60 seconds
8. Install Graphics card
9. Connect monitor to graphics card
10. Turn on computer
a.Bios should display a message in white at the top of the monitor screen

Now I’m almost positive that you could just start from step 5 but all I am doing is showing what I did to get to my graphics card to work. It is worth mentioning that nothing was displaying when I plugged my monitor into the MOBO VGA port. Regardless, thanks for nothing GAIZZZ hope this helps someone one day.

junkeymonkey · Oct 20, 2014

see if any thing I gave up in this link can help

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2342154/power-supply-fans-turn-graphics-card-fan-connected-motherboard.html

my disclaimer

some models of store bought computers [dell.hp,acer,ect..] may come with a ''locked or fixed'' bios and may not allow you to change certain hardware as a video card.. this is done to protect them from undue warranty claims and refunds .this is not done to hurt you but to protect them. you really need to see if that upgrade has been proven to work in your model first before you invest money in it .. there are a lot of these threads here at toms to look at some models will allow upgrades and some dont.. and a lot of guys here say ya ya ya when is really no no no...it would be sad you spent $200 on a card that wount post after you installed it as most find out. then get told its your psu and you spend more and end up right back where you are now, but its up to you good luck..

you got to know the the boards in these computers are not like the ones we use to do custom builds witch are open to upgrading with in the boards compatibly . the bios is custom made for there design and just for the parts they authorize to be used on there computers there only guaranteed to work as is out of the box as you bought it ,..

Devinv50 · Oct 21, 2014

Thank you for the information, I did not realize that at the time I purchased my card and I appreciate your input.

junkeymonkey · Oct 21, 2014

look around and see if something was missed it may work some find that the uefi bios can affect this too but its slim but slim can be better then not most time its a card that the board cant handle due to dells or whoevers prebuilt designed

Devinv50 · Oct 21, 2014

Yeah I already got it to work, runs everything much better than my previous graphics card. Got a good deal on it too. I fixed with the steps noted in the second post.

junkeymonkey · Oct 21, 2014

that's a good deal I sure hate to see guys get cards and cant use them I seem a guy get a 750 to work but then he reported it would not run at full load with out a issue prebuilts are funny and just bad news on most upgrades

well I hope you enjoy

junkeymonkey · Oct 21, 2014

can you post a gpu-z screen shot so outhers can see it really fully works??

as this guy said his did but would not show it to be

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2229918/uninstalled-intel-install-asus-gtx-650-2gb-monitor-display-black.html

Devinv50 · Oct 21, 2014

GPU-Z IMAGE

^^ Thats my info. This is a pre-built system. I hope this helps some people in other threads.Below are some indicators that I think are clues that the BIOS is blocking the hardware upgrade.

-Fan is operating on Graphics Card (PCI-E cable plugged in)
-You have met the manufacture's required wattage (PSU)
-Black Screen (no signal)
-Computer is beeping like it would if it was normally booting up.

I know these are very general terms but these are the indicators I recall.

junkeymonkey · Oct 21, 2014

when you run the render test how does it look [click ? mark next to the bus interface info ] then check the sensors between the idle and full load and the bus interface to see if it changes from pci-e 1 to 2 if your board has a pci-e 2.0 slot or better..

Devinv50 · Oct 21, 2014

"Check the sensors between the idle and full load and the bus interface to see if it changes from pci-e 1 to 2 if your board has a pci-e 2.0 slot ..."

I don't think I understand I ran the render test but I did not see any section on the "sensors" tab that gave me information about the GPU's idle state but I did see the full load information. GPU-Z says I need an update on my program so I'll do that when I get a chance and get back to you.

junkeymonkey · Oct 21, 2014

ok -- some gpu-z work better with some cards then others like the 7.6 works the best for this card I'm using now over the rest you just have to find the one that gives you the better info

Devinv50 · Oct 29, 2014

Hey I have a lot of very accurate hardware related readings and information in this other thread. I am having another issue now where it is freezing after a small duration of game-play. Please let me know if you can help :[

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2352298/gtx-650-black-screen-freeze-issue.html#14470151

junkeymonkey · Oct 29, 2014

What would happen if your PSU can't cope with the load:
•Bad 3D performance
•Crashing games
•Spontaneous reset or imminent shutdown of the PC
•Freezing during gameplay
•PSU overload can cause it to break down

now you need to know that the motherboards in hp do not have to be full atx standard as is the pci-e slot may not be set to supply the full 75w needed for these vid cards if its set down to say 45w or anything less then the card requires then that's how it is .. all the psu in the world cant help that .. if you go to hp do they offer a gup upgrade for yours?? and if they did it would be a low end card anyway .

dude with them prebuiults your on your own and its all at your own risk good luck

Devinv50 · Oct 29, 2014

Is the MOBO physically not capable of handling better hardware or is something in the BIOS?

junkeymonkey · Oct 29, 2014

could be both.. that's up to hp on what they fell it needed to work as sold to you and not a drop more .. so anything you do over what hp spec. it for as sold to you out of the box is all at your own risk

Devinv50 · Nov 3, 2014

There has got to be a way to determine whether or not the card is physically restricted or not at the very least. You mentioned that the appropriate power needs to be directed to the card from the PCI-E slot in order to work properly. If thats the case shouldn't I be able to get a read on the card's sensors to determine whether it is getting the needed power from the slot itself?

junkeymonkey · Nov 4, 2014

look here at this under power -- '' They can use up to 75 W (3.3 V × 3 A + 12 V × 5.5 A), though the specification demands that the higher-power configuration be used for graphics cards only, while cards of other purposes are to remain at 25 W.[10][11]'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

see the thing is hp gives you a pci-e slot but they can only have to give it 25w

dude these boards from hp are just enough to get it sold to you as is with what came on it when you bought it ..

look at the picture of you hp board and then look at a real aftermarket board
like with that hp board where are the vrm's ? its not like you got a 4 -6 8- or 12 phase vrm to handle any power demands that thing is designed to only handle at best what little it was sold with nothing more .. light household / office use at best ..

Devinv50 · Nov 4, 2014

junkeymonkey :

That is quite depressing but that would be the only thing that would make sense at this point. To be honest I'm not sure what you mean by VRM but in regards to whether the system can even allocate the needed power would probably depend on its original intended purpose, at least with a pre-built. And in this case, this pre-built was strictly made for administrative functions only. Well... time to start looking for a motherboard, any recommendations?

junkeymonkey · Nov 4, 2014

don't know you got to determine what your needs are like my last build was a z87 asrock extreme 6 it was just slightly over what I needed in a board but this can be part of personal preference in what someone wants or needs I could suggest things till the cows come home but will it be what you want or need ???

do you want to replace just the board and use the parts off the hp?? theres not much choice in m-atx boards but these are open bios's from the boards manufacture and not proprietary hp bios so they all should be full atx standard and not be limited as far as upgrading goes

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007625%20600138080%20600009017&IsNodeId=1&name=Micro%20ATX

Devinv50 · Nov 4, 2014

junkeymonkey :

I just want to say, Junkymonkey I appreciate how incredibly helpful you have been and more importantly how honest you have been about everything. I like your no bullshit approach.

I want to use the system for just gaming really. My intentions were to just switch all the parts that I have now over to the new board. my price range is very limited unfortunately, so if possible I want to stay below 80$. I'll check out the list you posted.

Thanks again

junkeymonkey · Nov 4, 2014

if prebuilts were so easy to upgrade there would not be much need it invest in all that aftermarket stuff and all- if were just run to Wal-Mart and grab a prebuilt and swap out a card and be done with it -- don't feel bad this is how I learned about this with a hp -- remember there into selling computers not having you upgrade them -

its not like hp don't have cards to sell or cant offer them but when you look up your modle and see theres no card offered that's your first clue and if there is it more than likely low end anyways and not worth it -

if you go to newegg and look under decktop vid cards then manufactures pick hp and see that they got cards to offer

http://www.newegg.com/Hewlett-Packard-Desktop-Graphics-Cards/BrandSubCat/ID-1186-48

Devinv50 · Nov 4, 2014

junkeymonkey :

I didn't even know HP manufactured cards; That explains everything. Well just because I'm curious I'm going to see if anyone has developed a customized BIOS for this model , not that I think it would matter, but ultimately I know I have to get another motherboard entirely for this card to work.

Also could you post your answer in my other thread, there seems to be some confusion as to what the issue is.
[HERE]

Thanks for everything!

junkeymonkey · Nov 4, 2014

there oem cards there still amd or NVidia but hp specs. like it may have something extra in the cards bios just for something to work with hp products like there low power requirement that may work with your hp as where your new card needs a higher power requirement that the hp board cant do

Devinv50 · Nov 4, 2014

junkeymonkey :

I may be completely wrong in assuming this but tell me what you think.

What if I flashed a bios from the HP GT 630 onto the one I have now (EVGA GTX 650 TI). I understand that its very risky but do you think it would work?

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