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Immediate Emergency build on a tight budget!!! Computer just died. Please help.

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October 14, 2014 8:34:41 PM

Hey guys, my current outdated gaming/work PC just died. Well the motherboard did and its an old EVGA 780i LGA775 CPU board. I have a good processor the Q9550 2.8ghz Quad that works great, but I cant find a decent board that supports the LGA775 anymore and I dont want to pay $160 for a used old one. Bad idea. I need something new for reliability. So I have to upgrade.

Here are the parts I have left over that I will transfer to the new Immediate emergency build.
-OCZ 800w power supply http://www.overclockersclub.com/siteimages/articles/ocz...
-XFX GTX 260 GPU
-Sound Blaster sound card
-1T Hard drive
-500GB hard drive
-2 CD-Rom drives
-Old medium sized case
-Arctic Zero heatsink Fan for CPU. Was for my LGA775 CPU, will it fit the new motherboard LGA1155 and are those heatsinks compatible?

Here are the new parts I must get right away. I do want to slightly upgrade for games, but need a good stable system for all my work right away.

- $300 Intel Core i7-3770 Ivy Bridge Quad-Core 3.4GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770

-$80 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL

-$123 ASUS P8Q77-M/CSM LGA 1155 Intel Q77 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard


Grand total is $507 before tax and shipping. That is just about my top budget. Please let me know if everything is compatible and will work together. This mobo doesn't have SLI and only has one PCI-E 3.0 slot. I dont need SLI, but will my single GPU work for this mobo just fine? Also I am planning on upgrading the GPU to the GTX 660 shortly after when I have the money. Will the GTX 660 work just fine as well on this mobo? Please make sure CPU, Mem, GPU, PSU, and mobo will all work together nicely. Thank you.

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October 14, 2014 9:28:58 PM

I would not upgrade to the gtx 660, it is outdated, wait until early next year when the gtx 960 comes out, it will be $200 or lower.
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October 14, 2014 9:55:48 PM

sparestuff said:
I would not upgrade to the gtx 660, it is outdated, wait until early next year when the gtx 960 comes out, it will be $200 or lower.


Okay, will this setup and motherboard even run the GTX 960?
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October 15, 2014 12:43:47 AM

Bluemoon_9 said:

Rather than that older processor, I would suggest get a 4690K. It's 239$, newer and can be overclocked. If you need an i7 for your work, get an i74770 which is 309$.

This is a nice board for the money which will let you overclock.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you get the i7 or do not overclock, this will be sufficient.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Great options. With your help here is what I have come up with now since I had to change to the LGA1150 CPU.

-ASUS Z97-A LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

-Intel Core i7-4771 Haswell Quad-Core 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1150 84W Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4600 BX80646I74771 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

-G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2400 (PC3 19200) Desktop Memory Model F3-2400C11D-8GXM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This also allows me to get the 2400 Ram. Is there a major different in the 2400 compared to the 1600?

So, will this be compatible with my other components and be a good system to get right away and that will be upgradable over the next 5 years? I really want to stay in the $500 range and this setup looks really good to me and still in my budget. What do you think? Am I missing something here or going in a wrong direction?

You brought up a good point, is there a major increase in performance all around the board with the i7 compared to the i5? This will be for a constant spreadsheets, graphs, filing, as well as Battlefield 4, COD Ghost, GTAs, FSX etc. Will the i7 be better for these things?
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October 15, 2014 1:05:42 AM

Good choice. Everything is compatible. 2400 and 1600 speed doesn't have very much difference in day to day work or gaming, but i always recommend the fastest hardware you can afford.

It's impossible to say what technology will prevail after 5 years, especially when Haswell E and LGA2011-v3 already released, but your processor is an extremely powerful one and will last you quite a long time. I will recommend you get the K version for 20$ more. You will be able to overclock it and get some more performance out of it.
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October 15, 2014 1:23:39 AM

Bluemoon_9 said:
Good choice. Everything is compatible. 2400 and 1600 speed doesn't have very much difference in day to day work or gaming, but i always recommend the fastest hardware you can afford.

It's impossible to say what technology will prevail after 5 years, especially when Haswell E and LGA2011-v3 already released, but your processor is an extremely powerful one and will last you quite a long time. I will recommend you get the K version for 20$ more. You will be able to overclock it and get some more performance out of it.


Are you talking about this one i7 4770k? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I dont get it. This one doesn't seem to have the turbo boost, but the i7 4771 does and goes up to 3.9GHz. What I am confused about is, are you saying that the 4771 cannot be overclocked? That doesn't make sense to me. Does it have something to do with the boost or something else? Please explain.

EDIT: Wait a second here. Why dont I get the i7 4790? It seems better in every way and is only $309. Am I missing something here? Isn't this a better chip? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 15, 2014 1:49:50 AM

Intel K (like 4770k) processors have a unlocked multiplier and they can be overclocked with a compatible motherboard (Like a Z97). Processors without a K (Like 4770) can not be overclocked easily.

The 4790 is a bit better than the 4770 (200mhz). But if you get a 4770K, it cab easily be overclocked to 4.0 GHZ with stock cooler. Actually all therse processors are very good, and you will not be able to use them 100% if you are not encoding videos or rendering 3D. Get the one that fits your budget. You can not go wrong with any of them

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October 15, 2014 2:12:42 AM

Bluemoon_9 said:
Intel K (like 4770k) processors have a unlocked multiplier and they can be overclocked with a compatible motherboard (Like a Z97). Processors without a K (Like 4770) can not be overclocked easily.

The 4790 is a bit better than the 4770 (200mhz). But if you get a 4770K, it cab easily be overclocked to 4.0 GHZ with stock cooler. Actually all therse processors are very good, and you will not be able to use them 100% if you are not encoding videos or rendering 3D. Get the one that fits your budget. You can not go wrong with any of them



I have done a lot of overclocking in the past as you can see from my personal computer specs. I had the Q9550 Quad Core 2.8GHz up to 3.8GHz at one point. Would that be one of those cards that you were referring to as hard to overclock? If so, I think I will be able to figure it out through the bios. Im trying to understand what you are saying and I definitely dont want to get myself into a situation where I wont be able to overclock at some point. For the i7 4790 would it be as easy as going into bios and adjusting the FSB and multiplier? It seemed really simple before. Will it pretty much be the same thing or extremely more complicated and not able to do it?

I think the best buy would be the 4790 because 3.6Ghz right out of the box and turbo to 4GHz is pretty good and I probably wouldn't need to overclock for a while.

EDIT: Just reading the reviews on newegg and some guys are saying they overclock with CPU. Others are saying they cant. Whats the deal?

"What a Great CPU for the money. Sure the others are more costly and have some cache extras, but for a CPU with Quad Core design at 3.6GHz and when coupled with a Mid to High End MoBo like the ASUS Z97-A LGA 1150 it is a Rocket. With the MoBo having great features just for adjusting the cores and being over-clockable it is truly a Real Monster of a CPU. I have now built three systems with this CPU all on the same ASUS Z97-A MoBo and one is seriously over clocked with Killer Kingston HyperX RAM and YES it is water cooled for this application."

"So far this CPU its pretty fast clocked a 4.0 GHZ "

"This is the CPU for the Gamer or Over-clocker and is not a Killer Budget component. Coupled with the proper MoBo and RAM (even without a Bad-Lad Video card) this is a True Monster.
You can tweak the cores and if going to do some serious over-clocking Do Not Use the stock fan. It will not be sufficient for this realm of End-User Enthusiasts."


So it sounds like with the right mother board such as the Z97-A which I am getting, I will be able to overclock quit easily right?


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So here's my answer. "Some might say that since this isn't a K-series that it is not capable of being overclocked. That is not entirely true. While the multiplier in this CPU is locked at a max of 40, it can be adjusted. This means with the correct motherboard you can set the multiplier at 40 and maintain that 4.0GHz base clock. However, that is not it. You can also adjust the BClk value, with the correct motherboard. The default BClik is at 100MHz I successfully increased mine to 110MHz. This means the CPU runs at 4.4GHz in turbo mode, and at 4.0GHz at standard (you can force the multiplier to 40 and stay at the 4.4GHz, which is what I have done). I have a Corsair H100i and at this clock under full load, temps hold at 62C and at idle they hover between 27C and 32C."

Will my Asus Z97-A be able to do all of this overlocking for this CPU?
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October 15, 2014 2:43:10 AM

So heres what the new computer would be. Please double check that all will be compatible and work great together. Thanks. I can do all this for about $534 before shipping and tax. Shall I proceed?

New stuff:
-Intel Core i7-4790 Haswell Quad-Core 3.6GHz LGA 1150 84W Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4600 BX80646I74790 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-ASUS Z97-A LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2400 (PC3 19200) Desktop Memory Model F3-2400C11D-8GXM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Existing transferred over stuff:
-OCZ 800w power supply http://www.overclockersclub.com/siteimages/articles/ocz...
-XFX GTX 260 GPU (soon to upgrade over the next month of two)
-Sound Blaster sound card
-1T Hard drive
-500GB hard drive
-2 CD-Rom drives
-Old medium sized case
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October 15, 2014 4:39:18 PM

Anyone? I just need a final confirmation and critique to make sure this will work perfectly fine together with my old stuff including that power supply and my GPU. Let me know. Thanks.
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October 15, 2014 5:51:27 PM

the 4790k haswell has newer tim paste on the cpu to keep it cooler and they added some parts to the power circuit on the new haswell devil cannon cpu. the z97 mb will take the new brodwell cpu if you need to upgrade your cpu latter on. look at the mb slots and look at the slot the sound card is in make sure the new mb has the same slot, if not you can still use the onboard sound. look also at your hard drive and cd rom make sure there sata and not 40 pin gray ide drives. new mb dont have ide ports. the old power supply should work the only issue (google the model info or email the power supply tech support line. haswell sleep use so little power some power supplys cant go that low. the fix is to turn off intel r6 sleep state and use the older r5 in the bios.
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October 16, 2014 5:34:07 PM

smorizio said:
the 4790k haswell has newer tim paste on the cpu to keep it cooler and they added some parts to the power circuit on the new haswell devil cannon cpu. the z97 mb will take the new brodwell cpu if you need to upgrade your cpu latter on. look at the mb slots and look at the slot the sound card is in make sure the new mb has the same slot, if not you can still use the onboard sound. look also at your hard drive and cd rom make sure there sata and not 40 pin gray ide drives. new mb dont have ide ports. the old power supply should work the only issue (google the model info or email the power supply tech support line. haswell sleep use so little power some power supplys cant go that low. the fix is to turn off intel r6 sleep state and use the older r5 in the bios.


Oh dear, okay good to know. See this is the kind of info I need to know. So from what you were saying, worst case scenario with the power supply not going that low, I can manually change it in my bios. That is encouraging and sounds good.

You know I have searched and search the issues with my current motherboard and its error code 25. This is the VBios. It is either related to the P2 mouse, memory, or video card. I did all the ram testing and everything possible to check and the error 25 came up every time. There's no way all ram could have instantly gone bad right away. I put in another graphics card and the same 25 error. I dont even use a P2 mouse. So I have heard its either bad PCI-e slots, bad ram slots, or just something else bad with the motherboard. I have had the board for about 8 years and I hear that is sometimes the life of the board especially if it gets constant every day heavy use and always on. I think I will start shutting my computer completely off instead of sleep mode. Win7 never seemed to like sleep mode either. So what would the symptoms be if my PSU were to be going bad? My error 25 didn't allow the computer to even post or do the post beep. This is not the forum for that, so I will just be waiting for a response on symptoms for a bad PSU. Thanks guys. I am getting closer and closer. Also waiting for the end of the month after bills to buy.

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October 16, 2014 6:55:16 PM

with an eight year old mb have you swapped out the cmos battery?? a lot of mb when the battery goes low can error out or not post. also with a mb that old the caps can fail. (newer mb use solid caps) also your mb if you registed it has a limited life time warranty.
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October 17, 2014 1:43:19 AM

smorizio said:
with an eight year old mb have you swapped out the cmos battery?? a lot of mb when the battery goes low can error out or not post. also with a mb that old the caps can fail. (newer mb use solid caps) also your mb if you registed it has a limited life time warranty.


I checked the battery and still no post error 25 on the board. Strangely enough, I guess I never registered this mobo apparently. So I am out of luck with that. I really just need to update. I know it for work and games in the evening, but really I am kind of excited about the much improved performance on everything. To be honest with my system I was actually able to play BF4 on High settings at about 25-30 fps. Our eyes only see at 30fps so that was good enough for me. With the new ram, and the new processor, wow forget about it. Here we come 50fps... I hope. My GPU is holding up quite nicely as well so far. So it looks like this is the way to go. Thank you for your help, all of you.

Anyone else have a better solution or better build within this $500 budget. It can go a little over that with tax and shipping, but I am trying to keep in right around there.

Oh shoot, I just realized I have the 700watt GamerXtreme PSU. I posted that I had the 800. Will my 700 still do just fine for this new setup?
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October 17, 2014 3:01:53 AM

you have to replace it if you want to put in a higher end video card. the unit 12v rails are broken up to 4 18amp rails.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/geforce-gtx-970-sl...
274 watts (cpu and gpu voltage on the 12v rail is 22.8 amps. slightly higher then 18 amps per rail. newer units are one rail.
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October 17, 2014 1:56:05 PM

smorizio said:
you have to replace it if you want to put in a higher end video card. the unit 12v rails are broken up to 4 18amp rails.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/geforce-gtx-970-sl...
274 watts (cpu and gpu voltage on the 12v rail is 22.8 amps. slightly higher then 18 amps per rail. newer units are one rail.


I dont understand. From the graph it looks as if my PSU would work for the majority of cards minus the Titan and a couple others.

If anything I would be looking to get the GTX 660 or something within that price rage. Would my PSU work for that card or similar?

I have this one right here. Check out all the specs.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
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October 17, 2014 3:31:14 PM

on power supplys the newer ones now there one larger 12v rail. on yours the vendor broke the rail up 4 times each rail has max of 18 amps. you need to find out how the rails are wired or what will happen is under load the power supply will shut off do to an over load on the 12v rails.
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