Ram bottlenecking system?

What RAM are you using? It has to be the brand or model. 8GBs RAM is enough so it should bottleneck because how much you have

I have corsair vengeance 1866mhz 8Gb going on with i5 3570k and 290x im not getting any really low fps but thought about that too..could it be real?

That's some pretty high end RAM...It must be defective, that's all i've got. Maybe some else here can assist you further

what about mine?

Do you mean about your RAM? You both have top notch components, and idk much about your problem either

i did that and its something like when the gpu is loading some very high and hard to run game its on 100% like i got on Dead rising 3 when rendering cinematics and on the Shadow of mordor at ultra settings..so im good? But sometimes it just jumps like to 60% then to 80 then to 70 then to 90 etc..

But is it okay if its jumps to 70 etc..?

HOLD IT. If your running PageFile, then you dont' have enough RAM in the computer to meet the demands it is asking for. For example if you have only [strike]2 or 4GB[/strike] 8GB like I had but with all the stuff running your better off with [strike]8GB or [/strike]16GB. So let's back up a step and run SPECCY for us (google it) and copy and paste the first tab of info so we can see what your specs are.

EDIT:EDIT: Helps to include link -FACEPLANT-
http://content.screencast.com/users/NeroGoth/folders/Jing/media/740ee78b-f244-4f1b-8855-fe2da992bdc6/2014-10-16_1050.png

EDIT: Second to that I am only running Chrome right now, eM Client, Skype and nothing else. but as you can see even with just a handful of tabs open Chrome eats up alot of RAM per page (remember EACH tab AND Extension or Google APP is a separate Chrome session eating up it's own RAM). And you can see I am hitting 7.4GB just sitting here. This was a reason I bumped up to 16GB because I multitask ALOT.. I have alot going at once time and need the extra RAM to handle it. So even though I may be only "Chrome,Skype, Steam and Origin " you can see how quickly that eats up RAM and then launch a hefty game like BF4 and your shooting yourself in the foot.

Hmmm says Single Channel then Dual Channel.. also I see your running at 8-8-8-24 ! ?!?
You MIGHT want to recheck your MOBO Manual for the specific model CPU running and see what Timing you should be running. Normally I am used to like 7-7-7-9 or so.. aka much faster.

I am still running a older i7 and you can see on my speccy what it shows:
CPU
Intel Core i7 740QM @ 1.73GHz 69 °C
Clarksfield 45nm Technology
RAM
16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 662MHz (8-8-8-23)

So that is why I am questioning IF that was the right RAM as well.

UHM NO... we are not Customer Service here to do all the leg work for you, just polite VOLUNTEERS to try and help. If you need that sort of service AND do NOT understand the basics (like reading the manual and what it says in it) then it be BEST to just take it to a Tech Shop and ask for their assistance with your issue. WE here would get VERY technical in many things, and don't wish to 'over your head'. We will NOT be able to 'step by step' either for someone not technical, there is too many things that can happen that only IN PERSON you would be able to say "WAIT try this!"

The manual was included with the Mobo and YOU can "go to MSI website and download MSI Z97 Gaming 5 manual" and read it. It will tell you in PLAIN ENGLISH, here is a TABLE, the TABLE tells you the CPU, says the SPEED it is running, says it supports THAT type, then a TABLE says about RAM, and if you have XYZ type of CPU then you need ABC type of RAM specs. SIMPLY MATCH TO YOUR STUF, if it is WRONG (as I suspect about the RAM) then GET the right one.

THIS is called HIJACKING a thread. You do NOT have the SAME EXACT system, and your issue is SEPARATE, so there is NO REASON for you to post to this thread. Please make your own thread to resolve YOUR issue separately.

Okay thread got confusing so let me break down a few things here, sorry for the length but trying to consolidate this discussion to what your asking OP.



Yes that is possible to be 'that low' because BF4 is a very high demanding game, if something is amiss (the PAGEFILE below). Here is what independent numbers say http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/09/19/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-review/6

The reason "goes up to 120fps when i exit the game or restart my PC" is your exiting the part that needs to 'demand' so much from your system. As you exit the game it doesn't need to 'render' all the extra information anymore (where that guy is siting behind the bring wall and the Jeep next to him driving at you), sot his is normal.




Your not using MSI afterburner correctly. You don't 'exit' to look at it, you enable and use the OSD (On Screen Display) so you see IN GAME what your 'performance is'. You do this as follows (helps to read the instructions btw on all this techie stuff)

Two items are in your system tray, the Airplane (MSI Afterburner) and the Blue 'computer card' (RivaTuner Statistics Server - aka RTSS). Right click on each and select SHOW.
In MSI click on settings. Click on Monitoring tab then select the items to monitor one at a time. When you select something LOOK DOWN BELOW, above HARDWARE MONITORING HISTORY LOGGING PROPERTIES is SHOW IN ON-SCREEN DISPLAY checkbox. To see 'in game' that stat, you CHECK the CHECK box to SHOW it On the Screen Display. Click OK. Click the MINIMIZE not the X to close MSI.
in RTSS make sure the START WITH WINDOWS and SHOW ON-SCREEN DISPLAY are ON. You can modify how large small they display with the ZOOM slider, and then tweak where it will show on your screen. As I play 1080p, I normally have it right of the center of the screen, so I use 1000 x 75 in the numbers UNDER the 'monitor' screen you see on thsi panel. Once done click the DOWN ARROW - NOT the X in the top right .

Now as you play a game it will display the stats so you can see when things are happening in game and how it affects your 'stats'.



Okay some BASIC COMPUTING 101, so please forgive me as you don't seem to understand the basics here.
1) if you open Task Manager and select SHOW ALL PROCESS FROM ALL USERS at the bottom check box you will see there is MUCH more then " only Chrome,Skype, Steam and Origin running". So please get that notion out of your head, there is RAM (memory) used to make the mouse seen on the screen, each letter, the icons on your desktop, more RAM used if you store FILES on your desktop then short cuts to them, all the apps in your tray, etc. all eat up RAM (the memory you physically put in).
2) PAGEFILE is Windows 'trick' to stop NOT ENOUGH RAM - BSOD that happened before XP. Windows 'borrows' storage space on the HDD, to 'swap' in and out from when it doesn't have enough RAM. If you started BF4 and had only 2GB of RAM available, but BF4 wants 8GB, then it uses the 1GB of RAM, and keep 'swapping' in and out the other 8GB as it needed it for the game. This is additional time, HDDs are much slower than RAM, all the swapping also impacts LOADING the game code as needed, etc.
3) Software works like this: Software (BF4) is stored on a Drive (HDD), all the code. The player says I want to run that game (code) so the computer pulls a certain amount of the code at time, by copying it from HDD to the RAM, in 'chunks'. As it pulls it, the RAM passes it to the CPU to process or.. to do something with it. Does it need to play a sound? Is it sending your CHAT IM over the Internet? Is it needing to render that Helicopter? The CPU passes that 'chunk' to that device and that device is responsible to do 'its job' (sound card makes sound, GPU renders on the screen, etc.). This is constantly happening till enough 'code' is in the RAM that it doesn't need to ask for it again till you 'do something ' (hence when you exit the game the game just has the exit menu for example, nothing 'else' is going on). So if it is busy doing this for the normal code, but then runs into "oops not enough RAM, quick Batman to the Swap FILE!" So now in addition to all this 'normal work' now you add on these extra swapping of HDD / RAM / CPU on top of it, so it slows down all the works.



No that would be AFTER you knew the information on what VOLTS your running, making sure your running the right SPEED you needed for your CPU. So in this case as we can see your running a i7 at 4GHz, the CPU tab of that page shows you should be running a Core i7 Haswell Refresh i7-4790K. This can be confirmed by clicking CPU on left side of SPECCY and will show you the NAME of your process. This is important because a i7-4790K is enabling OverClocking, which means to get the higher speeds out of the RAM you would want to pick the correct RAM, so they made it easier by providing a chart that shows you the guaranteed compatible RAM, and what clock speed it will be initially at before you OC it.

As you pointed out YOUR Crucial Memory is NOT on here, only these other models
Crucial BLS4G3D1609DS1S00.16FMD DDR3 1600 N/A 1.5V DS 4GB 4
Crucial BLS8G3D169DS3.16FED DDR3 1600 N/A 1.5V DS 8GB 4
Crucial CT102464BA160B.C16FED DDR3 1600 N/A 1.5V DS 8GB 4

As they are NOT the same exact one (note they have specific Volts and such on them) this might explain why it isn't "kicking in" Dual Channeling and may not be 'exactly' compatible as you needed it to be. IMHO I would replace the RAM out with the LISTED on UNLESS you get a GUARANTEE from Crucials Website / in writing from the person your buying it from that it is the SAME thing as these LIMITED models. Personally I would ONLY stick to this list on this website.



Well first dont' bump the thread. Second as I pointed out on my system, if your going to multitask with things, then you need more RAM. As YOU also said " i cant find a crucial memory stick with the same serial as on my curent memory stick" means you probably also do not have the correct type of RAM that is perfectly timed / volted / etc. to this Mobo and the CPU you have installed. I would suggest then to not only INCREASE the RAM you have (2 x 8GB sticks? 4x4GB sticks?) but get all the SAME correct type as per this website http://www.msi.com/support/mb/Z97-GAMING-5.html#support-mem that THEY say will work properly IN that Mobo, otherwise your ON YOUR OWN because they won't support things that they do not 'know' if it works or not and won't spend the time nor money just to find out for YOU, unless you wish to PAY them to do so, then that is a different story.

Hopefully this lengthy but accurate reply will make it a bit easier for you to understand and make a better conscious decision.