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October 16, 2014 10:13:32 AM

I been recently trying to figure out what is causing my GPU bottleneck. When i play games like BF4 i get only 45FPS on ultra using 970, but idk why sometimes it goes up to 120fps when i exit the game or restart my PC. I have been using MSI afterburner to monitor whats happening. When everything is fine my GPU is at 90+% load and games run fine but when gpu is bottlenecked by something it uses only 45 or 50% of power. Now why am i saying this in Memory section?
Because on Afterburner as i scroll down my RAMs Pagefile usage is overloaded. It uses 9000 out of 8000MB roughly and now as i exited game and have only Chrome,Skype, Steam and Origin running my Pagefile usage is at 5400MB and Ram usage at 3600MB. And when games do run with good FPS and when GPU isnt bottlenecked my Pagefile usage under gaming is below those 8000MB.

Any ideas?

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October 16, 2014 10:21:19 AM

What RAM are you using? It has to be the brand or model. 8GBs RAM is enough so it should bottleneck because how much you have
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October 16, 2014 10:22:43 AM

I have corsair vengeance 1866mhz 8Gb going on with i5 3570k and 290x im not getting any really low fps but thought about that too..could it be real?
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October 16, 2014 10:23:23 AM

Shamar Holtz said:
What RAM are you using? It has to be the brand or model. 8GBs RAM is enough so it should bottleneck because how much you have


Crucial Ballistix Tactical something 8GB with red and green LEDs
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October 16, 2014 10:24:57 AM

That's some pretty high end RAM...It must be defective, that's all i've got. Maybe some else here can assist you further
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October 16, 2014 10:25:24 AM

xSamaru said:
I have corsair vengeance 1866mhz 8Gb going on with i5 3570k and 290x im not getting any really low fps but thought about that too..could it be real?


Only one way to find out. Install MSI afterburner and run it while gaming. Then about after 5 mins of gaming go out of the game and look at MSI afterburner. On the HW monitoring you right click and click pause. Then u see how much GPU power u use. Most of GPUs should use 90% of power.
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October 16, 2014 10:25:45 AM

Shamar Holtz said:
That's some pretty high end RAM...It must be defective, that's all i've got. Maybe some else here can assist you further


what about mine?
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October 16, 2014 10:27:55 AM

xSamaru said:
Shamar Holtz said:
That's some pretty high end RAM...It must be defective, that's all i've got. Maybe some else here can assist you further


what about mine?


You got even faster one. Mine is only 1600mhz i think.
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October 16, 2014 10:29:04 AM

Do you mean about your RAM? You both have top notch components, and idk much about your problem either
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October 16, 2014 10:29:40 AM

Dawis67_AE said:
xSamaru said:
I have corsair vengeance 1866mhz 8Gb going on with i5 3570k and 290x im not getting any really low fps but thought about that too..could it be real?


Only one way to find out. Install MSI afterburner and run it while gaming. Then about after 5 mins of gaming go out of the game and look at MSI afterburner. On the HW monitoring you right click and click pause. Then u see how much GPU power u use. Most of GPUs should use 90% of power.


i did that and its something like when the gpu is loading some very high and hard to run game its on 100% like i got on Dead rising 3 when rendering cinematics and on the Shadow of mordor at ultra settings..so im good? But sometimes it just jumps like to 60% then to 80 then to 70 then to 90 etc..
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October 16, 2014 10:31:30 AM

xSamaru said:
Dawis67_AE said:
xSamaru said:
I have corsair vengeance 1866mhz 8Gb going on with i5 3570k and 290x im not getting any really low fps but thought about that too..could it be real?


Only one way to find out. Install MSI afterburner and run it while gaming. Then about after 5 mins of gaming go out of the game and look at MSI afterburner. On the HW monitoring you right click and click pause. Then u see how much GPU power u use. Most of GPUs should use 90% of power.


i did that and its something like when the gpu is loading some very high and hard to run game its on 100% like i got on Dead rising 3 when rendering cinematics and on the Shadow of mordor at ultra settings..so im good? But sometimes it just jumps like to 60% then to 80 then to 70 then to 90 etc..


If your GPU power is at least 90% used then u dont have GPU bottleneck.
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October 16, 2014 10:33:02 AM

Dawis67_AE said:
xSamaru said:
Dawis67_AE said:
xSamaru said:
I have corsair vengeance 1866mhz 8Gb going on with i5 3570k and 290x im not getting any really low fps but thought about that too..could it be real?


Only one way to find out. Install MSI afterburner and run it while gaming. Then about after 5 mins of gaming go out of the game and look at MSI afterburner. On the HW monitoring you right click and click pause. Then u see how much GPU power u use. Most of GPUs should use 90% of power.


i did that and its something like when the gpu is loading some very high and hard to run game its on 100% like i got on Dead rising 3 when rendering cinematics and on the Shadow of mordor at ultra settings..so im good? But sometimes it just jumps like to 60% then to 80 then to 70 then to 90 etc..


If your GPU power is at least 90% used then u dont have GPU bottleneck.


But is it okay if its jumps to 70 etc..?
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October 16, 2014 10:34:52 AM

xSamaru said:
Dawis67_AE said:
xSamaru said:
Dawis67_AE said:
xSamaru said:
I have corsair vengeance 1866mhz 8Gb going on with i5 3570k and 290x im not getting any really low fps but thought about that too..could it be real?


Only one way to find out. Install MSI afterburner and run it while gaming. Then about after 5 mins of gaming go out of the game and look at MSI afterburner. On the HW monitoring you right click and click pause. Then u see how much GPU power u use. Most of GPUs should use 90% of power.


i did that and its something like when the gpu is loading some very high and hard to run game its on 100% like i got on Dead rising 3 when rendering cinematics and on the Shadow of mordor at ultra settings..so im good? But sometimes it just jumps like to 60% then to 80 then to 70 then to 90 etc..


If your GPU power is at least 90% used then u dont have GPU bottleneck.


But is it okay if its jumps to 70 etc..?


Maybe.
But please focus on my problem. I really want to fix this
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October 16, 2014 10:47:48 AM

HOLD IT. If your running PageFile, then you dont' have enough RAM in the computer to meet the demands it is asking for. For example if you have only 2 or 4GB 8GB like I had but with all the stuff running your better off with 8GB or 16GB. So let's back up a step and run SPECCY for us (google it) and copy and paste the first tab of info so we can see what your specs are.

EDIT:EDIT: Helps to include link -FACEPLANT-
http://content.screencast.com/users/NeroGoth/folders/Ji...

EDIT: Second to that I am only running Chrome right now, eM Client, Skype and nothing else. but as you can see even with just a handful of tabs open Chrome eats up alot of RAM per page (remember EACH tab AND Extension or Google APP is a separate Chrome session eating up it's own RAM). And you can see I am hitting 7.4GB just sitting here. This was a reason I bumped up to 16GB because I multitask ALOT.. I have alot going at once time and need the extra RAM to handle it. So even though I may be only "Chrome,Skype, Steam and Origin " you can see how quickly that eats up RAM and then launch a hefty game like BF4 and your shooting yourself in the foot.
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October 16, 2014 10:59:08 AM



Hmmm says Single Channel then Dual Channel.. also I see your running at 8-8-8-24 ! ?!?
You MIGHT want to recheck your MOBO Manual for the specific model CPU running and see what Timing you should be running. Normally I am used to like 7-7-7-9 or so.. aka much faster.

I am still running a older i7 and you can see on my speccy what it shows:
CPU
Intel Core i7 740QM @ 1.73GHz 69 °C
Clarksfield 45nm Technology
RAM
16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 662MHz (8-8-8-23)

So that is why I am questioning IF that was the right RAM as well.
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October 16, 2014 11:03:20 AM

What u mean recheck manual for timing? Cant u just go to MSI website and download MSI Z97 Gaming 5 manual because i am sure you will understand more than i do out of it.
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October 16, 2014 11:22:54 AM

Dawis67_AE said:
What u mean recheck manual for timing? Cant u just go to MSI website and download MSI Z97 Gaming 5 manual because i am sure you will understand more than i do out of it.


UHM NO... we are not Customer Service here to do all the leg work for you, just polite VOLUNTEERS to try and help. If you need that sort of service AND do NOT understand the basics (like reading the manual and what it says in it) then it be BEST to just take it to a Tech Shop and ask for their assistance with your issue. WE here would get VERY technical in many things, and don't wish to 'over your head'. We will NOT be able to 'step by step' either for someone not technical, there is too many things that can happen that only IN PERSON you would be able to say "WAIT try this!"

The manual was included with the Mobo and YOU can "go to MSI website and download MSI Z97 Gaming 5 manual" and read it. It will tell you in PLAIN ENGLISH, here is a TABLE, the TABLE tells you the CPU, says the SPEED it is running, says it supports THAT type, then a TABLE says about RAM, and if you have XYZ type of CPU then you need ABC type of RAM specs. SIMPLY MATCH TO YOUR STUF, if it is WRONG (as I suspect about the RAM) then GET the right one.
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October 16, 2014 12:12:30 PM

I just restarted PC and went into bios. I have OC genie enabled and it automatically enables XMP. Anyways as i ran the BF4 again FPS was better but still at some point Pagefile usage did go over max.
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October 16, 2014 12:22:04 PM

Dawis67_AE said:
I been recently trying to figure out what is causing my GPU bottleneck. When i play games like BF4 i get only 45FPS on ultra using 970, but idk why sometimes it goes up to 120fps when i exit the game or restart my PC. I have been using MSI afterburner to monitor whats happening. When everything is fine my GPU is at 90+% load and games run fine but when gpu is bottlenecked by something it uses only 45 or 50% of power. Now why am i saying this in Memory section?
Because on Afterburner as i scroll down my RAMs Pagefile usage is overloaded. It uses 9000 out of 8000MB roughly and now as i exited game and have only Chrome,Skype, Steam and Origin running my Pagefile usage is at 5400MB and Ram usage at 3600MB. And when games do run with good FPS and when GPU isnt bottlenecked my Pagefile usage under gaming is below those 8000MB.

Any ideas?


xSamaru said:
I have corsair vengeance 1866mhz 8Gb going on with i5 3570k and 290x im not getting any really low fps but thought about that too..could it be real?


THIS is called HIJACKING a thread. You do NOT have the SAME EXACT system, and your issue is SEPARATE, so there is NO REASON for you to post to this thread. Please make your own thread to resolve YOUR issue separately.
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October 16, 2014 12:38:20 PM

So what do i do? Any suggestions?
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October 16, 2014 1:28:51 PM

Okay thread got confusing so let me break down a few things here, sorry for the length but trying to consolidate this discussion to what your asking OP.

Dawis67_AE said:
.... When i play games like BF4 i get only 45FPS on ultra using 970, but idk why sometimes it goes up to 120fps when i exit the game or restart my PC.


Yes that is possible to be 'that low' because BF4 is a very high demanding game, if something is amiss (the PAGEFILE below). Here is what independent numbers say http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/09/19/nv...

The reason "goes up to 120fps when i exit the game or restart my PC" is your exiting the part that needs to 'demand' so much from your system. As you exit the game it doesn't need to 'render' all the extra information anymore (where that guy is siting behind the bring wall and the Jeep next to him driving at you), sot his is normal.

Dawis67_AE said:

I have been using MSI afterburner to monitor whats happening.

Dawis67_AE said:
IOnly one way to find out. Install MSI afterburner and run it while gaming. Then about after 5 mins of gaming go out of the game and look at MSI afterburner. On the HW monitoring you right click and click pause. Then u see how much GPU power u use. Most of GPUs should use 90% of power.


Your not using MSI afterburner correctly. You don't 'exit' to look at it, you enable and use the OSD (On Screen Display) so you see IN GAME what your 'performance is'. You do this as follows (helps to read the instructions btw on all this techie stuff)

Two items are in your system tray, the Airplane (MSI Afterburner) and the Blue 'computer card' (RivaTuner Statistics Server - aka RTSS). Right click on each and select SHOW.
In MSI click on settings. Click on Monitoring tab then select the items to monitor one at a time. When you select something LOOK DOWN BELOW, above HARDWARE MONITORING HISTORY LOGGING PROPERTIES is SHOW IN ON-SCREEN DISPLAY checkbox. To see 'in game' that stat, you CHECK the CHECK box to SHOW it On the Screen Display. Click OK. Click the MINIMIZE not the X to close MSI.
in RTSS make sure the START WITH WINDOWS and SHOW ON-SCREEN DISPLAY are ON. You can modify how large small they display with the ZOOM slider, and then tweak where it will show on your screen. As I play 1080p, I normally have it right of the center of the screen, so I use 1000 x 75 in the numbers UNDER the 'monitor' screen you see on thsi panel. Once done click the DOWN ARROW - NOT the X in the top right .

Now as you play a game it will display the stats so you can see when things are happening in game and how it affects your 'stats'.

Dawis67_AE said:
... my RAMs Pagefile usage is overloaded. It uses 9000 out of 8000MB roughly and now as i exited game and have only Chrome,Skype, Steam and Origin running my Pagefile usage is at 5400MB and Ram usage at 3600MB. And when games do run with good FPS and when GPU isnt bottlenecked my Pagefile usage under gaming is below those 8000MB. Any ideas?


Okay some BASIC COMPUTING 101, so please forgive me as you don't seem to understand the basics here.
1) if you open Task Manager and select SHOW ALL PROCESS FROM ALL USERS at the bottom check box you will see there is MUCH more then " only Chrome,Skype, Steam and Origin running". So please get that notion out of your head, there is RAM (memory) used to make the mouse seen on the screen, each letter, the icons on your desktop, more RAM used if you store FILES on your desktop then short cuts to them, all the apps in your tray, etc. all eat up RAM (the memory you physically put in).
2) PAGEFILE is Windows 'trick' to stop NOT ENOUGH RAM - BSOD that happened before XP. Windows 'borrows' storage space on the HDD, to 'swap' in and out from when it doesn't have enough RAM. If you started BF4 and had only 2GB of RAM available, but BF4 wants 8GB, then it uses the 1GB of RAM, and keep 'swapping' in and out the other 8GB as it needed it for the game. This is additional time, HDDs are much slower than RAM, all the swapping also impacts LOADING the game code as needed, etc.
3) Software works like this: Software (BF4) is stored on a Drive (HDD), all the code. The player says I want to run that game (code) so the computer pulls a certain amount of the code at time, by copying it from HDD to the RAM, in 'chunks'. As it pulls it, the RAM passes it to the CPU to process or.. to do something with it. Does it need to play a sound? Is it sending your CHAT IM over the Internet? Is it needing to render that Helicopter? The CPU passes that 'chunk' to that device and that device is responsible to do 'its job' (sound card makes sound, GPU renders on the screen, etc.). This is constantly happening till enough 'code' is in the RAM that it doesn't need to ask for it again till you 'do something ' (hence when you exit the game the game just has the exit menu for example, nothing 'else' is going on). So if it is busy doing this for the normal code, but then runs into "oops not enough RAM, quick Batman to the Swap FILE!" So now in addition to all this 'normal work' now you add on these extra swapping of HDD / RAM / CPU on top of it, so it slows down all the works.

Dawis67_AE said:
Is this u were talking about http://www.msi.com/support/mb/Z97-GAMING-5.html#support... ???
Because i cant find a crucial memory stick with the same serial as on my curent memory stick

My RAM is blt8g3d1608dt2txrgceu

Edit: Also take this if it helps http://prntscr.com/4ws9cf


No that would be AFTER you knew the information on what VOLTS your running, making sure your running the right SPEED you needed for your CPU. So in this case as we can see your running a i7 at 4GHz, the CPU tab of that page shows you should be running a Core i7 Haswell Refresh i7-4790K. This can be confirmed by clicking CPU on left side of SPECCY and will show you the NAME of your process. This is important because a i7-4790K is enabling OverClocking, which means to get the higher speeds out of the RAM you would want to pick the correct RAM, so they made it easier by providing a chart that shows you the guaranteed compatible RAM, and what clock speed it will be initially at before you OC it.

As you pointed out YOUR Crucial Memory is NOT on here, only these other models
Crucial BLS4G3D1609DS1S00.16FMD DDR3 1600 N/A 1.5V DS 4GB 4
Crucial BLS8G3D169DS3.16FED DDR3 1600 N/A 1.5V DS 8GB 4
Crucial CT102464BA160B.C16FED DDR3 1600 N/A 1.5V DS 8GB 4

As they are NOT the same exact one (note they have specific Volts and such on them) this might explain why it isn't "kicking in" Dual Channeling and may not be 'exactly' compatible as you needed it to be. IMHO I would replace the RAM out with the LISTED on UNLESS you get a GUARANTEE from Crucials Website / in writing from the person your buying it from that it is the SAME thing as these LIMITED models. Personally I would ONLY stick to this list on this website.

Dawis67_AE said:
So what do i do? Any suggestions?


Well first dont' bump the thread. Second as I pointed out on my system, if your going to multitask with things, then you need more RAM. As YOU also said " i cant find a crucial memory stick with the same serial as on my curent memory stick" means you probably also do not have the correct type of RAM that is perfectly timed / volted / etc. to this Mobo and the CPU you have installed. I would suggest then to not only INCREASE the RAM you have (2 x 8GB sticks? 4x4GB sticks?) but get all the SAME correct type as per this website http://www.msi.com/support/mb/Z97-GAMING-5.html#support... that THEY say will work properly IN that Mobo, otherwise your ON YOUR OWN because they won't support things that they do not 'know' if it works or not and won't spend the time nor money just to find out for YOU, unless you wish to PAY them to do so, then that is a different story.

Hopefully this lengthy but accurate reply will make it a bit easier for you to understand and make a better conscious decision.
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October 16, 2014 1:41:13 PM

Ok. I use single 8gb ram stick in 1st nearest slot to my CPU socket.

The weird thing is that when i exit the game i still have 5000mb used Pagefile. But as i restart my PC the idle of Pagefile is 3000mb and under load it doesnt go over the limit.

I contacted my internet store that i bought my whole PC from and see what they suggest.

And i didnt OC my ram. It is 1600 and OC genie just enables the 1600mhz as it was 1333mhz stock as i installed it.
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October 16, 2014 1:48:16 PM

Dawis67_AE said:
Ok. I use single 8gb ram stick in 1st nearest slot to my CPU socket.

The weird thing is that when i exit the game i still have 5000mb used Pagefile. But as i restart my PC the idle of Pagefile is 3000mb and under load it doesnt go over the limit.

I contacted my internet store that i bought my whole PC from and see what they suggest.

And i didnt OC my ram. It is 1600 and OC genie just enables the 1600mhz as it was 1333mhz stock as i installed it.


Okay if you have a single STICK of RAM that is a PROBLEM too. All modern systems require PAIR of RAM Sticks, in order to perform DUAL CHANNEL, which is also a reason you will get 'bottleneck'. You need to get another 8GB to PAIR with it (usually they are color coded in pairs, but it is 0 and 2 or 1 and 3 slots you put them into).

Disregard anything about the Pagefile, you should NEVER need to use it anymore with modern systems as RAM is cheap and easy to put in., Secondly to that it 'increases' and 'decreases' AS needed, so one moment while it is scanning files for viruses as they open and close another it isn't the amount needed or set aside could change.
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October 17, 2014 1:17:26 AM

Tom Tancredi said:
Dawis67_AE said:
Ok. I use single 8gb ram stick in 1st nearest slot to my CPU socket.

The weird thing is that when i exit the game i still have 5000mb used Pagefile. But as i restart my PC the idle of Pagefile is 3000mb and under load it doesnt go over the limit.

I contacted my internet store that i bought my whole PC from and see what they suggest.

And i didnt OC my ram. It is 1600 and OC genie just enables the 1600mhz as it was 1333mhz stock as i installed it.


Okay if you have a single STICK of RAM that is a PROBLEM too. All modern systems require PAIR of RAM Sticks, in order to perform DUAL CHANNEL, which is also a reason you will get 'bottleneck'. You need to get another 8GB to PAIR with it (usually they are color coded in pairs, but it is 0 and 2 or 1 and 3 slots you put them into).

Disregard anything about the Pagefile, you should NEVER need to use it anymore with modern systems as RAM is cheap and easy to put in., Secondly to that it 'increases' and 'decreases' AS needed, so one moment while it is scanning files for viruses as they open and close another it isn't the amount needed or set aside could change.


So buying another ram stick with the same model would help? It came as single in 1 package. Or should i return this and get 2x4GB ram?
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October 17, 2014 10:41:49 AM

Your missing a key part I keep repeating. I will say it again
1) You need TWO RAM sticks
2) You need the RIGHT RAM sticks per that webpage - Not just 'any' ram
3) You need 16GB in your case because you multitask. More things open, less RAM available, and you want it to run fast (RAM speed) so you need more RAM.
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October 17, 2014 12:10:00 PM

Tom Tancredi said:
Your missing a key part I keep repeating. I will say it again
1) You need TWO RAM sticks
2) You need the RIGHT RAM sticks per that webpage - Not just 'any' ram
3) You need 16GB in your case because you multitask. More things open, less RAM available, and you want it to run fast (RAM speed) so you need more RAM.


https://www.komplett.no/corsair-vengeance-ddr3-1600mhz-...
Is this good? MSI website shows that its compatable and also good price.
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October 17, 2014 12:29:08 PM

Dawis67_AE said:
Tom Tancredi said:
Your missing a key part I keep repeating. I will say it again
1) You need TWO RAM sticks
2) You need the RIGHT RAM sticks per that webpage - Not just 'any' ram
3) You need 16GB in your case because you multitask. More things open, less RAM available, and you want it to run fast (RAM speed) so you need more RAM.


https://www.komplett.no/corsair-vengeance-ddr3-1600mhz-...
Is this good? MSI website shows that its compatable and also good price.


Well if it "compatible and also good price" then you would need to buy TWO 'kits' to fill up all four slots and get 16GB.
This says it is a 8GB Kit (2x4GB) which means you get TWO sticks to make up 8GB, each SINGLE stick is 4GB.
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October 17, 2014 1:39:23 PM

IDK why but the more stuff i do and more games i play the Pagefile usage justs builds up. Like when i restarted PC my idle Pagefile usage was 3000MB and now it is 5000MB also idle with the same programms. Is it supposed to be like that?
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October 17, 2014 3:37:45 PM

Dawis67_AE said:
IDK why but the more stuff i do and more games i play the Pagefile usage justs builds up. Like when i restarted PC my idle Pagefile usage was 3000MB and now it is 5000MB also idle with the same programms. Is it supposed to be like that?


YES, we covered that. YOU DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH RAM TO DO THE WORK.
PAGEFILE 'BORROWS' HARD DRIVE SPACE and SWAPS OUT AS YOU DO MOOOOREE STUFFFFF!!!

I said this like three times. At this point I am just repeating myself over and over. Either take it to a IT Service to have them look at it or do as I said, but I am done repeating the same thing over and over and over and over.
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October 18, 2014 7:37:19 AM

Sorry to bother you again but is there way to clear Pagefile usage without restarting the PC?

What i still dont understand is why my RAM doesnt clear out Pagefile usage after closing the games and such. Like as i start the PC its at 3000MB and now after 3 hr use its 5000MB and having nothing but the same programms running. If i get new RAM how is it gonna help. I will still need to restart my PC to clear the Pagefile usage since i will still be getting 8gb because i see it as enough.
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October 18, 2014 9:21:44 AM

Dawis67_AE said:
Sorry to bother you again but is there way to clear Pagefile usage without restarting the PC?

What i still dont understand is why my RAM doesnt clear out Pagefile usage after closing the games and such. Like as i start the PC its at 3000MB and now after 3 hr use its 5000MB and having nothing but the same programms running. If i get new RAM how is it gonna help. I will still need to restart my PC to clear the Pagefile usage since i will still be getting 8gb because i see it as enough.


RAM is the STICKS of memory you put in
PAGEFILE is a SPACE on the HARD DRIVE set aside, reserved, and ENLARGES more 'reserved' space to swap to.

Let me try a analogy to help you understand; since your completely LOST.
Think of RAM as a Restaurant Parking LOT, now to accommodate all the workers (Windows Drivers, Windows Icons, etc.) to just OPEN the restaurant for business takes about 1/4 to 1/2 the entire parking lot with all the 'workers' you have running (stuff in the system tray, antivirus, etc.).

Now you invite alot of customers (Skype, Steam and Origin.) but without thinking about it to invite MORE customers (Chrome) because you have a large parking lot (RAM) but your not thinking HALF the parking spots are taken just by your employees. SO where do all these new customers park?

Well your staff goes across the street (Hard Drive) and pays for the parking lot rental (3000MB PAGEFILE) across the street for the next 6 hours (temporary Virtual RAM swapping - what PAGEFILE really is) for the new customers (Chrome) to park in.

Then you decide that you still don't have enough customers so you invite the entire Pro Football team and staff (BF4) to come eat , wait where will they all park???? All the spots are nearly full (RAM) and so are all the rented spots (3000MB PAGEFILE)? Well the staff walks back over and pays for 5 hours of additional parking (5000MB PAGEFILE), as they EXPECT all these additional people there.

"3 Hrs" pass of running your Restaurant and alot of people left (shut down Chrome, exited Origin, etc.) and your still paid for all those now 'empty' rental parking spot (why my RAM doesnt clear out Pagefile usage). Can you walk over and ask for your money back from renting those spot because your NOT going to actually use them????? NO.

Same thing for PAGEFILE, it reserves and adds to the HDD storage reserved space but it doesn't take it back because a HARD DRIVE is NOT RAM. Your thinking PAGEFILE is added RAM and how RAM works, like my illustration, it isn't, it is separate and your BORROWING SPACE to just swap out data RATHER THEN A BIG HUGE -OUT OF RAM ERROR- BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH.

"If i get new RAM how is it gonna help" INSTEAD of 'BORROWING' (paying for rental parking) more 'space' (PAGEFILE) you instead BUILD a BIGGER PARKING LOT (get new RAM) to accommodate all your demands (Windows icons, Antivirus, Windows fonts, background image, Nvidia Control Panel, Skype, Steam, Origin, Chrome, BF4, etc. etc. etc. - aka the employes, PLUS customers, PLUS more customers, AND the Pro Football team and staff).
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October 18, 2014 10:41:57 AM

Tom Tancredi said:
Dawis67_AE said:
Sorry to bother you again but is there way to clear Pagefile usage without restarting the PC?

What i still dont understand is why my RAM doesnt clear out Pagefile usage after closing the games and such. Like as i start the PC its at 3000MB and now after 3 hr use its 5000MB and having nothing but the same programms running. If i get new RAM how is it gonna help. I will still need to restart my PC to clear the Pagefile usage since i will still be getting 8gb because i see it as enough.


RAM is the STICKS of memory you put in
PAGEFILE is a SPACE on the HARD DRIVE set aside, reserved, and ENLARGES more 'reserved' space to swap to.

Let me try a analogy to help you understand; since your completely LOST.
Think of RAM as a Restaurant Parking LOT, now to accommodate all the workers (Windows Drivers, Windows Icons, etc.) to just OPEN the restaurant for business takes about 1/4 to 1/2 the entire parking lot with all the 'workers' you have running (stuff in the system tray, antivirus, etc.).

Now you invite alot of customers (Skype, Steam and Origin.) but without thinking about it to invite MORE customers (Chrome) because you have a large parking lot (RAM) but your not thinking HALF the parking spots are taken just by your employees. SO where do all these new customers park?

Well your staff goes across the street (Hard Drive) and pays for the parking lot rental (3000MB PAGEFILE) across the street for the next 6 hours (temporary Virtual RAM swapping - what PAGEFILE really is) for the new customers (Chrome) to park in.

Then you decide that you still don't have enough customers so you invite the entire Pro Football team and staff (BF4) to come eat , wait where will they all park???? All the spots are nearly full (RAM) and so are all the rented spots (3000MB PAGEFILE)? Well the staff walks back over and pays for 5 hours of additional parking (5000MB PAGEFILE), as they EXPECT all these additional people there.

"3 Hrs" pass of running your Restaurant and alot of people left (shut down Chrome, exited Origin, etc.) and your still paid for all those now 'empty' rental parking spot (why my RAM doesnt clear out Pagefile usage). Can you walk over and ask for your money back from renting those spot because your NOT going to actually use them????? NO.

Same thing for PAGEFILE, it reserves and adds to the HDD storage reserved space but it doesn't take it back because a HARD DRIVE is NOT RAM. Your thinking PAGEFILE is added RAM and how RAM works, like my illustration, it isn't, it is separate and your BORROWING SPACE to just swap out data RATHER THEN A BIG HUGE -OUT OF RAM ERROR- BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH.

"If i get new RAM how is it gonna help" INSTEAD of 'BORROWING' (paying for rental parking) more 'space' (PAGEFILE) you instead BUILD a BIGGER PARKING LOT (get new RAM) to accommodate all your demands (Windows icons, Antivirus, Windows fonts, background image, Nvidia Control Panel, Skype, Steam, Origin, Chrome, BF4, etc. etc. etc. - aka the employes, PLUS customers, PLUS more customers, AND the Pro Football team and staff).


Tnx for making it clear. So will it help with same 8gb ram just using 2 4gb sticks? Another thing i am not sure is if i play like BF3 (buy parking slot) and then open BF4 and i get bottleneck. Then if i run BF3 it would still get bottleneck even if it has reserved the parking slot.
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October 18, 2014 10:49:54 AM

Dawis67_AE said:

Tnx for making it clear. So will it help with same 8gb ram just using 2 4gb sticks?


NO!!!!!!! I said REPEATEDLY
A) YOU HAVE THE WRONG NON-COMPATIBLE RAM
B) YOU HAVE ONLY 8GB YOU NEED 16GB. 16GB can be TWO 8GB sticks or FOUR 4GB sticks.

Dawis67_AE said:

Another thing i am not sure is if i play like BF3 (buy parking slot) and then open BF4 and i get bottleneck. Then if i run BF3 it would still get bottleneck even if it has reserved the parking slot.


YOU CAN NOT RUN BOTH BF3 AND BF4 AT THE SAME TIME. YOU CAN / SHOULD ONLY PLAY >>>ONE<<< GAME at a time. IF you play TWO games AT THE SAME TIME no matter WHAT you will get 'bottleneck', systems are NOT made to play MULTIPLE GAMES at the SAME TIME.
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October 18, 2014 12:33:09 PM

Tom Tancredi said:
Dawis67_AE said:

Tnx for making it clear. So will it help with same 8gb ram just using 2 4gb sticks?


NO!!!!!!! I said REPEATEDLY
A) YOU HAVE THE WRONG NON-COMPATIBLE RAM
B) YOU HAVE ONLY 8GB YOU NEED 16GB. 16GB can be TWO 8GB sticks or FOUR 4GB sticks.

Dawis67_AE said:

Another thing i am not sure is if i play like BF3 (buy parking slot) and then open BF4 and i get bottleneck. Then if i run BF3 it would still get bottleneck even if it has reserved the parking slot.


YOU CAN NOT RUN BOTH BF3 AND BF4 AT THE SAME TIME. YOU CAN / SHOULD ONLY PLAY >>>ONE<<< GAME at a time. IF you play TWO games AT THE SAME TIME no matter WHAT you will get 'bottleneck', systems are NOT made to play MULTIPLE GAMES at the SAME TIME.


Omg u didnt understand. Ok lets say i start up my system. It is 3000MB idle (with all windows and Origin, Steam and Chrome). Then i decide to run BF3 so that BF3 buys parking ticket. When i exit the game my idle will be 4000+MB. Then i run BF4 and i get bottleneck because BF4 takes lot of Pagefile usage while its running. When i close BF4 i have 5000MB idle. And its Pagefile usage and not RAM usage.

Now i am not sure if its supposed to be like this. I am hoping that if i get new ram the RAM will automatically remove the unused bf3 files. Even if i get 16gb ram,according to what you say, i will still buy all the parking slots with other games because i will run maybe other games too and i will need even more RAM or i will need to restart my PC to get the Pagefile usage down.
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October 18, 2014 4:03:54 PM

Dawis67_AE said:

Another thing i am not sure is if i play like BF3 (buy parking slot) and then open BF4 and i get bottleneck.


STOP right here. BF3 is NOT BF4, BF4 is like a SEMI-Truck and trailer, BF3 is like a Midsize car. You have ONLY a spot for a Midsize car in your parking lot, but you want to park BF4 (Semi-Truck and trailer) so you need to rent a LARGER spot and takes ALOT more work / effort to park (run the game) into a parking spot. Ever sees how a Semi Truck and trailer turns or moves? Can it simply just 'pull into' any old parking spot? NO, it makes wide turns, it takes up alot of space and takes alot of work to make it 'fit' into the parking lot, SAME that BF4 is inside your computer, it demands MUCH MORE to play, and because your using PAGEFILE it bottlenecks and takes forever to make the 'turns' or 'move around' in the parking lot.

Dawis67_AE said:
Then if i run BF3 it would still get bottleneck even if it has reserved the parking slot.


Yeah, it still going to bottleneck because PAGEFILE is using the Hard Drive which is MUCH slower than RAM.

Dawis67_AE said:

Omg u didnt understand. Ok lets say i start up my system. It is 3000MB idle (with all windows and Origin, Steam and Chrome).


Windows is set to make a PAGEFILE no matter WHAT you do don't open.
Control Panel > System and Security > System - Select Advanced System Settings on the left side
Click Advanced tab > Under Performance - Settings > Advance tab of Performance options > Change
Show that if System Managed Size is selected, the SYSTEM will SET aside the Pagefile of the minimum size IT determines right off, EVEN IF YOUR NOT USING IT YET.

Dawis67_AE said:

Then i decide to run BF3 so that BF3 buys parking ticket. When i exit the game my idle will be 4000+MB.


RIGHT! Because BF3 Minimally needs 2GB but works BEST with 4GB of RAM http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/requirements/...
BUT .... "i start up my system...with all windows and Origin, Steam and Chrome..." which is 8GB plus 3GB (3000MB ) isn't enough (11GB) to accomodate " all windows and Origin, Steam and Chrome" + BF3 . So Windows tells the HDD to buy more parking space (4000+MB).

Dawis67_AE said:

Then i run BF4 and i get bottleneck because BF4 takes lot of Pagefile usage while its running.


You are TOTALLY WRONG HERE. BF4 does NOT bottleneck because you use MORE Pagefile, it bottlenecks BECAUSE your using ANY AMOUNT of PAGEFILE. Think of it this way, does the President / Movie Star / Sports Star LIKE - ALLOW you to park them in the 'spare' rented parking across the street, or do they demand ONLY to park in the FRONT OF THE DOOR Parking spots? Same for BF4 it works best (no bottleneck) being ONLY in RAM. As I said MANY times here, PAGEFILE uses the SLOWER Hard drive to FAKE / PRETEND there is enough RAM rather then cause your system to CRASH with NOT ENOUGH RAM .

Dawis67_AE said:
When i close BF4 i have 5000MB idle.


Again same this as above. BF4 Minimally needs 4GB but works BEST with 8GB of RAM
http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/requirements/...
When you "start up my system...with all windows and Origin, Steam and Chrome..." which is 8GB plus 3GB (3000MB ) isn't enough (11GB) to accomodate "all windows and Origin, Steam and Chrome" + BF4. Nor when " all windows and Origin, Steam and Chrome" + BF3 is 8GB plus 4GB (4000+MB) or 12GB, then you close BF3 and open BF4, it still isn't enough.
So Windows tells the HDD to buy more parking space (5000MB).

Dawis67_AE said:
And its Pagefile usage and not RAM usage.


You are TOTALLY WRONG HERE. Pagefile is used AFTER there is NOT ENOUGH RAM Left. RAM is ALWAYS used FIRST. IF ALL RAM IS USED UP then the system CRASHES, to AVOID THIS PAGEFILE virtual RAM swapping was made.

Dawis67_AE said:

Now i am not sure if its supposed to be like this. I am hoping that if i get new ram the RAM will automatically remove the unused bf3 files. .


You are completely WRONG HERE. There are no 'unused BF3 files'.
Pagefile, like I said, RESERVES the parking space, so if the cars all leave the spare parking lot, YOU STILL 'OWN" those spots till your time (restart the PC) is up. When a program CLOSES all the 'cars' leave the parking spaces it took up. BUT the space is still there for YOUR restaurant (Pagefile taking up storage space) to use NOT someone else (saving a file to the hard drive).

Dawis67_AE said:

Even if i get 16gb ram,according to what you say, i will still buy all the parking slots with other games because i will run maybe other games too and i will need even more RAM or i will need to restart my PC to get the Pagefile usage down.


Well let's go over this AGAIN.
"i start up my system...with all windows and Origin, Steam and Chrome..." which is 8GB plus 3GB (3000MB ) DOESN"T HAPPEN NOW. You needed at least 11GB to "i start up my system...with all windows and Origin, Steam and Chrome..." which it USES UP TO THE 16GB OF RAM ONLY no matter if you have a 3GB or 1000000000MB Pagefile, it doesn't NEED to use PAGEFILE.

to accomodate " all windows and Origin, Steam and Chrome" + BF3, 8GB plus (4000+MB) DOESN"T HAPPEN; You needed 12GB, you HAVE 16GB of RAM, so it USES UP TO THE 16GB OF RAM ONLY no matter if you have a 4GB or 1000000000MB Pagefile, it doesn't NEED to use PAGEFILE.

to accomodate " all windows and Origin, Steam and Chrome" + BF4, 8GB plus (5000MB) DOESN"T HAPPEN; You needed 13GB, you HAVE 16GB of RAM, so it USES UP TO THE 16GB OF RAM ONLY no matter if you have a 5GB or 1000000000MB Pagefile, it doesn't NEED to use PAGEFILE.


Get it now?
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