Should I get the EVGA GeForce GTX Titan Black, or the Sapphire Radeon R9 295x2?

DookuWindu

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Hi

I'm setting up an order for a new build. No upgrades, all new parts.
I'm planning to build in a CoolerMaster Storm Trooper big tower.
I won't be buying a monitor until next month.
Overclocking the GPU and CPU will probably not happen, at least not at first.

Motherboard is the MSI Z97 Gaming 5. "Killer ethernet"
CPU is the socket 1150 Intel i7 4790k quad core 4.0Ghz + boost.
As for power supply, I was thinking: Corsair CS 750M, 750W PSU
ATX 12V v2.4, 80 Plus Gold, Modular, 4x 6+2pin PCI (propably need a bigger one, if I go for the R9 GPU?)


Okay.. So this is what I have ordered so far, but is customizable for a while. Everything is in stock, except for the GPU I ordered, which won't be in stock for another 3-4 weeks. I picked the EVGA GeForce GTX Titan Black 6GB PhysX Cuda, but since it's not in stock I started browsing the web. I'm struggling to find benchmarks and comparisons for it, aspecially compared to/vs. the Sapphire Radeon R9 295x2 8GB, which I noticed was also in my price range. So these two videocards are in the same price league, but are they in the same league in performance? The 780ti is about $550 less, then theres the R9 and Titan black, then the next card is a jump to $2900, which is around double the price of the Titan Black and the R9. So I figured the Titan Black and The R9 are the top dogs in my budget, except for the "superclocked", "Hydrocopper", "Powercolor" ones, that are out of my price range.

The R9 looks promising for new games, on the charts on Tom's Hardware, But I don't know how the charts work in a "bigger picture", when they're meant for an individual game, with individual settings and resolutions. As for the Titan Black, I just assumed it was good and can't find a lot of info on it, when it comes to real life performance, 3D/pic rendering, FPS and such.

My use:

I do som picture editing/photoshop, but this rig is meant for gaming. I would like to be able to play new games on Ultra, and it would be nice to watch 4K/UHD movies when the flatscreens drop in price. I heard talk of the R9 getting low FPS on "older" games like Skyrim or DirectX9 and older. That doesn't bother me, but if browser games are terrible with the R9, that would suck, cause WoW is still the game I play the most. WoW uses only 2 cores of a CPU (I've heard), so each single core should have a high clockspeed. My current i7 720qm appearently was a huge bottleneck, and the Radeon HD5870 got old fast. Stopped releasing drivers that worked together with Asus, and even WoW had to be played at low settings. Even then I got like 5-10 FPS in raids, lagspikes, blackspots etc. Talked with admins and did a lot of DxDiag, checked internet connection, routers, firewalls, ports, even changed ISP and everything all over again, but the conclusion was that my GPU was getting poor/no updates to make it last longer, and the CPU was also a bottleneck, they said. I don't know.. But I do know I want something good, this time around. I also love games like Hitman and Crysis.

Really hope you guys can help me pick the best card in my price range :) I've built quite a few desktops and laptops over the years, but mostly frankenstein stuff or single component upgrades, on a tiiight budget (basically to make the PC work again, often no performance in mind). If you see anything off about my list, please mention what and why. Heh.





The complete order:

CM Storm Trooper Gaming Big Tower

Corsair CS 750M, 750W PSU
ATX 12V v2.4, 80 Plus Gold, Modular, 4x 6+2pin PCI

MSI Z97 GAMING 5, Socket-1150
ATX, Z97, DDR3,3xPCIe-x16,SLI/CFX,Killer E2205, VG

HyperX Fury DDR3 1866MHz 16GB Black
2x8GB 1866MHz DDR3 CL10 DIMM (Kit of 2) HyperX Fury

EVGA GeForce GTX TITAN BLACK 6GB PhysX
with Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel coupon

Kingston HyperX 3K SSD 240GB 2.5"
SATA 6 Gb/s (SATA3.0), 555MB/510MB/s read/write, (For the OS)

Next month, I'll order:

Win 8.1 pro 64-bit, Blu-ray read/write, WG Black 3TB HDD, Intel i7 4790K, A few SATA3 cables, water cooling for CPU, and one more "HyperX Fury DDR3 1866MHz 16GB Black" so 32GB ram, in total, and a monitor. Perhaps one of those 144Mhz. And 21:9 looks cool.


 
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Here is a better UK build without even grazing the 1900 pound mark:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1246 V3 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£215.57 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£23.94 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£106.19 @ Aria PC)
Memory: G.Skill TridentX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£134.99 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£155.94 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£55.14 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: EVGA...

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Neither. For gaming gaming rig get a 980. The titan black is not an optimised card for gaming, if you really want beast performance get two 980s and chuck them into your rig. If not one will be fine. Also get a better psu with a build of this budget, something tier one or two A (probably one with your budget) from the toms tier list: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1804779/power-supply-unit-tier-list.html. If you are thinking the 295x2 it needs lots of current on the 12v rail. Lots. Its not really a good card anyway, it was good for a few weeks but now the 900 series are out its lost its place. And if you havent bought the board yet get one without the killer nic, it has some really weird issues and if you already have net problems its best not to make it worse. But if you already have it its no biggie, it probably wont happen to you but its best to steer clear imho
 

DookuWindu

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Thanks for the advice, guys!

Noob question! How does the SLI work? Do I just clip them into the PCI-E's and thats that, or do they need to be connected together with extra cables, programming etc?

I think I can squeeze two EVGA GTX 980 4GB into the budget. Also the Coolermaster V1000, from the tier 1 list.

Edit: I changed the order to:


ZOTAC GeForce GTX 980 4GB PhysX CUDA
PCI-Express 3.0, "AMP! EXTREME EDITION", DL-DVI-I, HDMI 2.0, 3x DisplayPort

GPU : GeForce GTX 980, 2048 cores, 28nm
GPU Clockspeed : 1393 MHz (boost) / 1291 MHz (base)
Memory : 4096MB GDDR5 (256 bit)
Memory Clockspeed : 7.2 Gbps
Bandwidth : 224 GB/s
Bus : PCI-Express 3.0
Video-Features : HDMI 2.0
Cooling : 2.5-Slot Cooling
Connectivity : DL-DVI-I, HDMI 2.0, 3x DisplayPort 1.2
Product Size : 300mm(L) x 141.2mm(W)
Power Connector : 2x8-pin
TDP ; 209 W


So new question, How many watts should the PSU have? Says minimum 600w each, so thats 1200W for GPU's alone.
 
You'll need an SLI bridge, it should come with any non-low-end motherboard.
I would say get the EVGA 980 SC ACX 2.0 and save ~70-100$. You can spend 10-20$ per card to add LEDs and stuff like that.
Each 980 requires about 160-175 watts, so a 750-850 watt PSU should be fine.
 

DookuWindu

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Okay.

I read that the EVGA one has had some issues with cooling and noise, and that the Zotac one has volt restrictions if one wants to OC at a later date. I don't think I will OC it, but I would like to have the option.

So I think I'll go for 2x MSI gtx 980 twin frozr V's. Equivalent of superclocked, only with good reviews and cooling + low noice, it would seem. Sounds perfect.

I also swapped the MSI gaming 5 MB for the Asus Maximus VII Hero, also chipset Z97 socket 1150. It comes with 6 SATA3 and PCI-E 3.0 and a SLI bridge.

Is this build starting to go somewhere?

Allready blew my budget, but the desktop will hopefully be a lot better than if I didn't ask for help.
Would suck to spend this money on the wrong stuff. Hehe
 
I wouldn't touch an MSI card as I don't trust their QC/QA.
The Maximus VII Hero is a wate of money, basically what you get is a bunch of flashy lights, a rebranded Realtek ACL1150 audio chipset and some otehr ROG marketing stuff. I would get the Asus Z97-A, which is identical save for the marketing and light stuff.
Give me your budget and I'll get you a better build.
 

DookuWindu

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Okay, If you can be bothered to do so.

The budget is between $3200-4000, but that has to include every part of the desktop, to get it to function. The BD-rom can be left out, if needed. Can always retrofit that and a wifi card. Usually stick to ethernet cables on gamers.

Also an SSD for OS and main games. Around 500GB should be sufficient. Then a WD Black HDD for other stuff. 1-2-3TB, doesn't matter too much. Can retrofit those later too.
 

DookuWindu

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Good, good!

Btw, thanks for doing this.
No, no and no. Just a primary SSD to get it running. I have a 32" fullHD LED that I use to watch flicks in the bedroom. That will manage until I get a QHD later on. As for gaming keyboard and mouse, those are things I allready have.

The focus is performance, so things that can be retrofitted are not a priority atm. I want it to be good and to last for a bit.

The last 3 years I've used a Asus G73jh, but I decided to go back to desktops. Unstable crap imo. Haha. Stopped releasing drivers after 1,5 years, and the whole thing was garbage. Better to upgrade part by part, and get drivers from each brand :)

But as I mentioned about browser games and them only using two cores, each core on the cpu should be high. Idk, maybe 3,5Ghz+, unless you know something I don't.

 
This would be the minimum I'd get, coming in at just over 2270$:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($252.29 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.03 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($137.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($157.25 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($229.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($584.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($584.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Blackout ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 850W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2270.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-18 14:46 EDT-0400
 
Here is a better UK build without even grazing the 1900 pound mark:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1246 V3 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£215.57 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£23.94 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£106.19 @ Aria PC)
Memory: G.Skill TridentX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£134.99 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£155.94 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£55.14 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£478.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£478.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case (£88.33 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£94.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1832.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-18 20:26 BST+0100
 
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DookuWindu

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Yeah, thats neat!

Which monitors do you recommend then?
Crysis 3 would be sick on 3 widescreens :)
Would be nice with a thin frame, to avoid splitting the picture too much. I guess QHD and extra wide screens are all the rage these days. Haven't bought a pc monitor in like 12 years.

Bang for the buck is more of a topic here, than with the desktop. Especially if I get more than one monitor.